Can we trade Van Persie for Falcao? I'd do it in a heartbeat... Radamel has looked far better even in miserable physical condition. Van Persie has scored a few goals but he looks completely off form still, even this deep into the season.
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I agree with this. RVP had AGAIN a great chance to pass to him and tu put him into a big chance and he didn't, AGAIN. What is wrong with him?
For me the issue is what we're (potentially) missing out on by making Falcao a huge signing - it means starting him, and while RvP is here that means starting two slow number 9s who are getting in each other's way and at times negating attacks.
It also means missing out on a better striker when we have no need to settle. We need to become more ruthless in the market and aim for the absolute best.
Some people on here are becoming sentimental toward Falcao already which is mental. Running around and 'wanting it' is for squad players like Welbeck, Smith etc - from £45m fee, elite wages players you must demand more! Touch, finishing, turning it on for big matches etc.
I'm not saying Falcao won't rise to it - but that is the least we should be accepting, that impact that Costa and Sanchez have each made is what Falcao needs to bring to us.
And regarding his fitness I do feel for him, but he's been here for half a season on a year long loan and if he can't get and stay fit then for me that would be another reason not to make the move permanent.
I see him and RvP running into the same spaces. Both have instincts of a #9. RvP is not one to pass so attacks will pretty much end when he gets the ball. I don't think we'll ever see the best of Falcao in this system.
Thinking back on RvP's career, has there ever been a prolific scorer alongside him? It's one of the negatives of having him, he doesn't work well in a partnership.
Thinking back on RvP's career, has there ever been a prolific scorer alongside him? It's one of the negatives of having him, he doesn't work well in a partnership.
You are looking at it the wrong way. If in one game you have one player score 4 out of 10 goalscoring opportunities, and a second player score 2 out of 5 goalscoring opportunities, by your logic the first player is worse, because he has missed twice more. I would take the first player any day - he gets in more dangerous positions and also produces more goals.
I haven't seen much of Falcao before he made the move to us, but he seems very clumsy on the pitch. To me he just appears to be stubmling and fumbling around, has a difficult time retaining possession and sorting his feet.
Know his reputation has him as one of the top strikers in the world pre-injury, but does he fit our possession style? At this point from what I've seen, which has been little, I'd prefer someone up there like Hernandez who can be a threat behind defenders to create space in front of them for the likes of Rooney and Mata.
Still early days so hope he finds some form. It's just his style and way he moves that has me questioning his abilities.
Know his reputation has him as one of the top strikers in the world pre-injury, but does he fit our possession style? At this point from what I've seen, which has been little, I'd prefer someone up there like Hernandez who can be a threat behind defenders to create space in front of them for the likes of Rooney and Mata.
Still early days so hope he finds some form. It's just his style and way he moves that has me questioning his abilities.
I actually thought Van Persie was better than Falcao today but his stats are a lot worse. Credit where it's due to Falcao. I guess he's being criticised (including by me) for looking so clumsy at times. His contribution, statistically, was decent enough.
You are saying that he is not missing CC chances?
I was comparing him to ONE player, who did not have the numbers you are showing. Also, Falcao didn't score 4 goals from 10 chances, he scored 2 for now and should have had at least 5 if we only count really big chances and he did have more chances. After today's game my argument is even stronger. Falcao is supposed to be TOP striker and TOP goalscorer and he is not giving us that for now (even if I think that he would better work with Rooney as second striker, but it's a different matter).
We can find a million excuses, but it is a fact that he is playing as a striker, but is not scoring, while his overall play is usually good.
RVP improved a lot with his movement, but is decision making regarding Falcao has probably costs us some points.
11 games and 6,1 in rating from a pro falcao board?? He is not worth Mich more than Balotelli today.
Knee jerkers out in force in this thread jeezus Christ.
He had a pretty poor game (as did RVP yet again) and people saying his legs of gone, crazy. He was excellent only a few days ago vs Newcastle. He did look tired in the second half but I think all this game time will benefit him in the long run.
He is going to need a run of 7-8 starts before judgments can be made
He had a pretty poor game (as did RVP yet again) and people saying his legs of gone, crazy. He was excellent only a few days ago vs Newcastle. He did look tired in the second half but I think all this game time will benefit him in the long run.
He is going to need a run of 7-8 starts before judgments can be made
He is gets still into decent amount of chances, just needs to start scoring again, which should come, I hope.
Exactly, that instinct to get in the right positions hasn't gone, it's just actually taking the chances that is letting him down at the moment, but yeah that should come hopefully. The Welbeck comparisons some have made are utter ridiculous, let it go he has left the club.
He's a busy bee.
I have made the comparison, pih, and explained it and I know I am not wrong (again, am just talking about these games, not what I actually expect in the future).
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I have a feeling that people think that I said that Falcao and Welbeck are the same, which I didn't, I just said that for now Falcao gave us the same Welbeck was, but not the goals we are waiting for (and actually it was also kind of compliment as I didn't expect him to have such a good all round game).
I think that was his first full 90 mins for us today and he did ok. He is going to improve.
If Van Gaal would just stop subbing him out every game and let him get a solid run of games, he'll get his confidence back. He's scored goals everywhere he's played but he's not as fit now as he was back then. Just give him more chances, stop playing Wilson over him and let the man play!
Not looking the top striker he can be at all this season.
Played the whole Villa game.
You're not wrong Brophs. It seems we signed up to a pretty crazy deal.
Honestly it's hard to put the blame on a poacher when we didn't create a lot. We hit a lot of balls over the top and that suits someone with a big frame like RVP better than falcao. I think we'd get the most out of him when we get young and (if we had a good right sided player) the right wing back on the ball and whip crosses in. That's what falcao is good at, getting between the keeper and the defence. Look at his goals for athetlico, so many were balls put across the box that he got to because, whether he's quick or not, he knows where to be and he's incredibly athletic and aggressive in getting to the ball. His headers are accurate. He plays like hernan crespo or van nistelrooy a bit. I think he'd improve a lot if we can get januzaj and di maria back in the team and get some quality balls into the box. He's not going to create something out of nothing like we often need.
I would agree with the notion above that himself and RVP are a bit similar in their movements but I hope they can form a better partnership in the coming weeks
I would agree with the notion above that himself and RVP are a bit similar in their movements but I hope they can form a better partnership in the coming weeks
This was my - perhaps unduly pessimistic and negative - take on the move when it was announced.
It's not about the man's quality as such either. If he gets back to somewhere near his best, he's a brilliant player. It still doesn't make it a sound deal, however. It still screams "unnecessary" for me.
A more optimistic spin would be that we saw a chance to sign one of the best strikers in the game, while still in his prime, and grabbed it with both hands. The downside being that it would take him a few months to get back to his best after a long time out injured.
We'll know in April/May exactly how realistic that sort of optimism was. For all his struggles for form, I'm not sure I'd be too happy if a club like Arsenal or Liverpool had signed him, put it that way.
Has the workrate of Tevez, needs to start taking those chances though, not really in the groove yet.
Very true. We would be all bricking it on here if either of them had signed him in the transfer window. It's only with hindsight that we know he isn't near his previous best
That's why I was glad it was only a loan when the move was announced. I never wanted Vidal for health reasons and I wasn't high on bringing Falcao in either. I know a lot of people really want to see the best in his performances, but we need clinical strikers if we want to return to Europe's top and Falcao just isn't that while RVP is also not the player he used to be a couple of seasons ago so far.
I'm willing to give them both more time, especially since we need Rooney in midfield with all of our players injured, but once Herrera and di Maria return, I wouldn't be opposed to benching one of RVP or Falcao and start Rooney up front again. As a finisher, I like my chances with Wazza a lot more than I do with Falcao or RVP these days.
I do not think that Falcao was bad today, he was fighting upfront. He did miss a couple of chances which he would normally put away, and I can see him being more clinical after a couple of more games, especially once Di Maria and Herrera are back.
I thought he did ok however he missed quite a few chances as he did against Villa.
He isn't quick either and the defenders are catching him quickly. Today he was very clumsy with the ball, that first chance of his should have been a goal.
I thought RvP did better although neither scored. Mata also missed a sitter.
He isn't quick either and the defenders are catching him quickly. Today he was very clumsy with the ball, that first chance of his should have been a goal.
I thought RvP did better although neither scored. Mata also missed a sitter.
Like Andy Cole before him, it's taking a while, but boy when he gets there it's going to be fecking orgasmic
I am not convinced he is a Premier League striker. Yes, he did well in Spain. But England is different. It is taking too long and he misses too many easy goals. Remember Forlan? He did well in Spain, too.
RVP missed the easier chances today yet it's Falcao getting the stick. Weird.
RVP is a proven striker in England. Falcao is not.
I can only see him going back to Monaco . If the bale rumours are true we must be going with a front 3 of bale , rooney and adm next season .
Van Persie's all round play was very good whereas Falcao struggled to keep hold of the ball over and over again. It's not all about missed chances.
I think we watched different games.
Should have come off for Wilson today.
That's what I thought. Stats say different though. Falcao made more passes, more accurately. A load more defensive work too. I'd say he was dispossessed more than VP (haven't seen any stats) but that might be just because he got on the ball more.
I think the criticism he's getting is because of a few very noticeable clumsy bits of play, which is over-shadowing his overall performance.
Nicely put. He's done his bit to save us from the static crap if nothing else.
Second highest pass completion in the team. Only the uber basic style of Antonio Valencia today had a better percentage. What were you watching today?
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