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Where was the fourth official from? I live in the UK which is pretty multicultural.Come to a country with mostly black people. Its the only thing you will be referred as.
Where was the fourth official from? I live in the UK which is pretty multicultural.Come to a country with mostly black people. Its the only thing you will be referred as.
That I don't know. But most likely from somewhere where 90 percent of the population has the same colour skin. Black people do it, Chinese people do it... Heck went to China and I was refereed to by what they think my race was constantly. They don't know any better. Probably haven't seen someone like me in real life before.Where was the fourth official from? I live in the UK which is pretty multicultural.
Same old thing. He was speaking in a non-English language where the word was not considered a racist slur, but just meant black.I though the ‘n word’ was used? Is it a clear cut case of racial abuse or another literal translation debate?
To be honest that’s similar to what I said to my mate - that the fourth official may not know better for some reason.That I don't know. But most likely from somewhere where 90 percent of the population has the same colour skin. Black people do it, Chinese people do it... Heck went to China and I was refereed to by what they think my race was constantly. They don't know any better. Probably haven't seen someone like me in real life before.
Where was the fourth official from? I live in the UK which is pretty multicultural.
Where was the fourth official from? I live in the UK which is pretty multicultural.
Romania.
From a quick search 'less than 0.1% of the Romanian population is black'.
Thanks for the responsesRomania. All of the refs were from Romania. That was the cause of the incident, since he referred to Webo as "black" in Romanian, and in Romanian that's "negru"... Yeah, you might see what caused the fuss.
"I don't see colour"I kid you not.. I literally thought they were all in black jackets till you mentioned they were green. Not trying to excuse anyone. But my eyes just lied to me.
why would we be through? they're bottom
I think there is a difference between what is considered racist in the anglo- american world and other parts of the world.Seems like we have a long way to go as a society when it comes to educating ourselves on racism.
Even if "negru" was mis-translated, referring to someone as "the black one" is racist full stop. The official might not realise he is being racist, or even understand why it might be considered racist, but it is.
It's a classic micro-aggression. How many times would you refer to someone as that "white guy"? As a white person, I can categorically say, I've never been referred to as "the white guy".
If you still don't understand, ask yourself why Demba Ba was so upset and angry about it. Educate yourself, try and see the other viewpoint. He has probably been identified by the colour of his skin more than any of his other defining features combined throughout his entire life.
Racism goes way beyond just calling someone the N-word.
Come on racism!Because if Istanbul are disqualified, then all of their results are voided. So the rest of us finish on 6 points each, and Leipzig go out on goal difference.
This remains a possibility, right?
Why would they be disqualified though? At worse they will forfeit this game. Surely not the entire tournament.Because if Istanbul are disqualified, then all of their results are voided. So the rest of us finish on 6 points each, and Leipzig go out on goal difference.
This remains a possibility, right?
Seems about as probable as Trump winning the election.Because if Istanbul are disqualified, then all of their results are voided. So the rest of us finish on 6 points each, and Leipzig go out on goal difference.
This remains a possibility, right?
Seems about as probable as Trump winning the election.
Because if Istanbul are disqualified, then all of their results are voided. So the rest of us finish on 6 points each, and Leipzig go out on goal difference.
This remains a possibility, right?
Who will be United's Giuliani?Seems about as probable as Trump winning the election.
Doesn’t absolve him from being abjectly ignorant.
Why would they be disqualified though? At worse they will forfeit this game. Surely not the entire tournament.
I think the chances of this happening are practically zero so I don't why I'm inclined to reply but wouldn't it be head to head that we'd be through on rather than GD? I think that's the first tie-breaker in CL groups. PSG won their H2H's against both us and Leipzig, we won ours over Leipzig.
Yeh I can understand. I get referred to my "perceived race" a lot. Its very annoying. But people here don't know better. It's just how they call to people. No different than calling someone shorty or tall manTo be honest that’s similar to what I said to my mate - that the fourth official may not know better for some reason.
All I can say is that in my place of work it would be very strange to differentiate a client/customer by using the colour of their skin as a descriptor. Inappropriate even.
As an official at that level, or any level really, you simply can’t use language that approaches potential racism.Am i missing something, how is he ignorant?
OK.... I just honestly never realised the jackets were green till you mentioned it. Thought it was some kind of optical thing where my eyes had to get adjusted to it."I don't see colour"
"Oh yeah that old line..."
"No I don't see colour, I'm literally colourblind."
Because if Istanbul are disqualified, then all of their results are voided. So the rest of us finish on 6 points each, and Leipzig go out on goal difference.
This remains a possibility, right?
As an official at that level, or any level really, you simply can’t use language that approaches potential racism.
Oh yeah I believe you, I was just taking the opportunity to post a shit jokeOK.... I just honestly never realised the jackets were green till you mentioned it. Thought it was some kind of optical thing where my eyes had to get adjusted to it.
It's still a tactless way to refer to someone, especially in a professional setting. Shouldn't get away with it just because it's done a lot in Romania. It was probably done a lot here once too.Same old thing. He was speaking in a non-English language where the word was not considered a racist slur, but just meant black.
No worries. To me, the fact that calling someone by their skin color can be construed as racist means that you can’t use such language in certain situations. Being a professional sports official would decidedly be a position where such vernacular simply cannot be used.How is calling someone black, racist? I may sound thick here, but I don't mean to be.
As a professional and a match official he would rightly be punished. What I'm curious though is whether or not the match could've been salvaged if he'd just owned up and apologized.If what’s being reported is correct, then it doesn’t appear to be racist. Seems like a misunderstanding over the word in Romanian. Hope that the linesman is ok here (if what’s being reported is correct) - would hate to see him lose his job over this and there is very likely to be social media pressure on uefa regardless to sack him.
No worries. To me, the fact that calling someone by their skin color can be construed as racist means that you can’t use such language in certain situations. Being a professional sports official would decidedly be a position where such vernacular simply cannot be used.
Of course there’s no place for racism and it should be punished heavily. Having said that, deciding what is and isn’t a racial slur in a language you’re not fluent in opens up a massive can of worms.Same old thing. He was speaking in a non-English language where the word was not considered a racist slur, but just meant black.
I said earlier he needs to be fired, but a lengthy ban at the very least. Multiple years.If what’s being reported is correct, then it doesn’t appear to be racist. Seems like a misunderstanding over the word in Romanian. Hope that the linesman is ok here (if what’s being reported is correct) - would hate to see him lose his job over this and there is very likely to be social media pressure on uefa regardless to sack him.