I get you. Thanks for explaining.
Race for Top 5 finish - Possible 5 teams in CL next season
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Problem is, those are only two teams. If all German and English teams get the results today and tomorrow that I expect, we will see Dortmund, Bayern and Leverkusen reaching semifinals for Germany, but only Villa and City for England. Which means that Germany's lead over England would increase. Villa winning the ECL would then give the same points as Leverkusen winning the EL (I think both are favourites). So then it comes down to City vs Bayern and Dortmund to make up the gap. If Bayern and Dortmund at least get one result in their ties, even if they don't reach the final, they should have done enough to defend this lead.
But of course it can still all go completely different, as it is quite close.
Or just Race to the bottom.
I assumed there was more points weighted to winning trophies but I guess it's just points allocated by wins?
I'm astounded some still think we have a chance 
As it stands we are likely to end 7/8th.
As it stands we are likely to end 7/8th.
Bonus points are awarded for reaching the next stages, but not for winning the final. A win is 2 points, a draw is 1 point, reaching the QF/SF/Final is 1 bonus point in CL and EL, in the ECL only for reaching SF/F.
yes it more game winning and then getting the bonus points for getting through the rounds.
for example , even though Arsenal and City are at the same stage , Arsenal only have 22 points but City have 27!
I'm astounded some still think we have a chance
As it stands we are likely to end 7/8th.
Pretty much. I doubt we will go on an amazing sprint in the last 6 games while all others are failing.
Gee, what complication. I have to cheer for Arsenal beating my beloved Bayern/Tuchel (would love to see him at United but man, that would mean we have to sell our whole squad! catering for 3-4-3).
In a way I could live with 5th not getting the ticket for CL. The hope that kills you. Also, at the moment we have no business in the CL. In terms of building up, I would favor a run in UEFA league. But, yes, if we make 5th and get that CL ticket, boy that would be very sweet. Also would completly redeem ETH.
Guaranteed Italian Europa semi-finalist with Milan/Roma, and Atalanta have one foot there too, I would expect Fiorentina are at least slight favourites to get past Plzen in the Conference League. That should be more than enough for Italy to secure a spot.
Dortmund obviously already in the semi-final in the CL, and Leverkusen seem likely to progress in the Europa. If Bayern get past Arsenal, you'd imagine that'd be enough for Germany too.
Not that United are getting a CL place. The only material difference this is going to make is whether we're in the Europa or Conference League (or Europe at all, the way things are going).
We're not getting 5th place. So as I'm petty hopefully Premier League don't get it either.
It will affect the Europa and Conference league places too.
I think there are a few permutations depending on who wins the FA Cup too, but basically, 8th could end up as a Conference League place.
The problem is also that whatever points English teams get will be divided by 8 for the coefficient (because the PL had 8 teams in Europe this season) vs Germany's and Italy's divided though 7. Meaning they get more for one win in terms of coefficient than PL teams do. Not sure whether it matters much given there are only few games left and thus points to win, but it sure has mattered so far.
Doubt that 5th would get a spot now.
I take it we won't be playing in the Champions League next season?
Arse and City out ….5th place gone?
We weren't gonna finish 5th anyways let's be honest
Advantage Germany
Surely with Liverpool about go to out, West Ham definitely out and City & Arsenal gone that's 5th spot over with
Yeah, that's the coefficient fecked. Don't care though, don't have to see City win another treble.
makes for an exciting 4th place battle between Spurs and Villa I guess.
Spurs have to play all three of the title challengers as well.
Spurs have to play all three of the title challengers as well.
Bad news for Spurs
So...this discussion is finished, with City and Arsenal out of CL?
Yeah but if we don't get 6th now we're fecked right? feck the conference shit.
They play Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, and City in their last 6 games.
Very likely, except some miracles happen tomorrow. Germany has a solid lead and if everything goes as expected will have three semifinal participants (München, Dortmund, Leverkusen) and England only one (Villa) across all competitions. Would be practically impossible for Villa to take that around on their own.
However if West Ham and Liverpool pull some off amazing comebacks the gap closes and it will be 3 vs 2 teams left for England, which would keep the race open again.
Wonderful Night, City115 not doing another treble plus knackered now for SF against Chelsea, Arsenal Season now have to go for broke to stop City115 in PL and if LiVARpool come back they might need 120 mins too tomorrow ll
1 and 4 just lost, not from the best either. LFC is in crisis. Chelsea have a squeeky defence. It can go a lot of ways. Villa is just so in form I don't see them dropping much.
It will be only the 2nd time in around 20 seasons that the PL won't be in the top 2 ranking for the season.
How ironic will it be when Spurs finish 5th.
How ironic will it be when Spurs finish 5th.
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Conference league could be perfect for us.
It's bit similar to when they finished in top 4 but Chelsea won Champions League and they had to go to Europa league
So with 5th gone, we can now consider ETH sacked after the next 3 games and mathematically out of contention? Seems like a lifetime of shite football away.
Of course the person who defends Ten Hag thinks being in the conference league is perfect
I think you got that wrong. This will be the 4th time in 10 years… and the second time in the 5 years cycle…It will be only the 2nd time in around 20 seasons that the PL won't be in the top 2 ranking for the season.
How ironic will it be when Spurs finish 5th.
This has gone well for the people convinced this was in the bag for the PL after the round of 16.
Perfect for the Kids maybe. I wouldn't even let our first team players travel.
Germany is .768 points ahead now.
Times 8 that's 6.114 points English teams have to make up now.
I can't be bothered looking at this in detail, so I may be wrong here:
Villa can only earn ten points, even if they win all their four remaining games within 90 minutes.
Let's assume tomorrow Liverpool win, but don't progress and Leverkusen win too, earning them an extra point.
Then it would take like 3 more points between Bayern, Dortmund and Leverkusen to beat Villa acing their competition.
Someone needs to put more effort into this, since Germany's points are worth a little more than England's in the ranking - but I think it's pretty safe to say that at least one of the EL teams needs to progress for the PL.
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I don’t defend, I contextualise.
Think about it are we ready for CL football?
Will the squad have the wide changes needed to compete across that many competitions?
It would give us a chance to blood in new players in a low stakes environment.
Could be the making of some of our youngsters though. Perfect development opportunity as they won’t get the minutes in the PL.
Is this something that will happen each season?
Next season will all this restart and 5th could or could not be a CL place again?
Next season will all this restart and 5th could or could not be a CL place again?
The 'normal' coefficients are 5-year averages. This new additional slot is purely the best two leagues each season, so basically yes.