538 had United at 86% after Tues, 88% after Weds and now at 86% after tonight.
Race for top 4 | Finito.
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My thoughts exactly. I'm quite pessimistic but you can never say how these games are going to go. Nobody had us going through in the FA cup after Sevilla but we did - against Brighton - whom we now seemingly won't be able to beat.
Liverpool also have to play Spurs who will be galvanised at coming back against United and may have a confidence they wouldnt have had should they have lost today so I don't think that will be straight forward for Liverpool either. It's in our hands regardless.
Typical Cafe meltdown in the heat of the moment as it’s still a little raw.
People will wake up tomorrow and realise we are VERY well placed
I think Liverpool win those 3 home game so they have 62 points. After our next 3 I’d expect us to be on 63 or 64 with a game in hand.
We should still scrape 4th as I’m sure Liverpool will drop points somewhere but a game in hand isn’t much of an advantage when playing this poorly and Liverpool will definitely close that gap over next three games.
The only positive thing about Spurs 2nd half performance is they might have half a chance against Liverpool on Sunday.
Think Liverpool will win though.
If Liverpool win at the weekend and we drop points we're completely justified in starting to panic.
Of course if we have any gameweek where we win and Liverpool dropped points it should be done. I'm just very worried Liverpool have a winning run in them.
Think Liverpool will win though.
If Liverpool win at the weekend and we drop points we're completely justified in starting to panic.
Of course if we have any gameweek where we win and Liverpool dropped points it should be done. I'm just very worried Liverpool have a winning run in them.
We should've been completely out of sight by now. We've dropped some points we really really shouldn't have against Southampton, Leeds, and now Spurs.
Evidence wouldn't back that up though, at least I don't think it does for me
Funny if the Geordies finish above us. Fecking Newcastle.
Newcastle
1/33
Man Utd
1/16
Brighton
17/2
Liverpool
9/1
We were 1/9 before the game.
Liverpool odds went from 9/2 to 9/1 after tonight.
Bookies seem to think its over.
1/33
Man Utd
1/16
Brighton
17/2
Liverpool
9/1
We were 1/9 before the game.
Liverpool odds went from 9/2 to 9/1 after tonight.
Bookies seem to think its over.
I've said this for a month now but we've run out of steam and are limping over the finish line. Beginning to be worrying
I think we'll get at least 6 points from the next 3 games.
So even if Liverpool do win the next 3 and we lose to Brighton we'd be 4 points ahead of them with a game in hand and only 4 games left. And we end the season with 3 out of the last 4 at home.
10 points from 7 needed. We will get fourth I think, Newcastle have the better fixtures. We really, really need to win on Sunday otherwise we're in danger of fudging it.
It’s not like Liverpool are not struggling. Yes they have won the last three but apart from the 4-0 trashing of Leeds it has been pretty tight against Nottingham and West Ham and they are nowhere near where they were the last 2-3 seasons. They might gain some ground on us but it will be to little too late.
We had 3 wins, 2 draws, and 2 defeats in our last 7 games. That's 11 points.
If we do the same in the next 7, Liverpool need to win all their games. Which I still expect they will, unfortunately. We could really do with them fecking up somewhere.
I don't agree in saying completely justified in starting to panic since we have a piss easy schedule after the Brighton&Villa games. I do see Liverpool going on that winning run as well, but we're still sitting very comfortable. Even if we drop points next game and they win.
12 needed.
Yeah but in terms of the actual league table it’s going the opposite direction? That’s 10 points out of 12 for us and Newcastle keep winning. Liverpool’s odds will be getting longer and Spurs are practically done.
Win our home games and it’s job done regardless of anything else. People who are worried about Liverpool need to remember that IF we win our game in hand, which we should, then Newcastle are closer to Liverpool.
I think 70 points should be enough. I don't see Liverpool winning all their games.
The time of year when I overload my Fantasy team with Liverpool players to do my bit 
The amount of bed wetting going on around here is ridiculous, people are suddenly terrified of being chased down by a team that's 7 points behind and has played a game more.
It's at Anfield, Liverpool will win that game comfortably.
Think tonight's result takes Spurs out of it. They're on 54 points with 5 games left, so 69 points is their maximum but they have to play at Liverpool and Villa and host Brentford which isn't a given 3 points.
Brighton are on 49 points with 8 games to go so their maximum number of points is 73 but they have to play vs us, away to Arsenal/Newcastle/Villa and vs City. You'd think they don't really have a chance.
Our biggest worry should be Liverpool. They've got some potentially tricky games left, like Spurs/Fulham/Brentford/Villa but all at Anfield and that could help them winning all those games. Their remaining away games are at Leicester and Southampton, which you'd expect them to win, especially at Southampton. Maybe Leicester could trouble them as they're fighting to stay in the league.
As long as Liverpool don't drop any points, we need to get to 72. So need another 12 from 21 available. Next 3 - vs Villa and at Brighton and West Ham, seem big.
To the people worried about us missing out, who on earth is going to pip us?
Brighton lost to relegation fodder last night, Liverpool have just about won their last few games against teams around the dropzone and Villa/Tottenham aren't good enough.
We'll be absolutely fine.
Brighton lost to relegation fodder last night, Liverpool have just about won their last few games against teams around the dropzone and Villa/Tottenham aren't good enough.
We'll be absolutely fine.
But that's the very nature of top 4 team dropping so called silly points otherwise they would be challenging for the title .
How many times you have seen in last few years that even when United have missed out on top 4 they were always with the chance even late in the season if they could just go on the run . It happens every year .
Jesus, I am beginning to really loathe fecking Newcastle.
West Ham away is not piss easy. They're a better team than their position suggests, they just took points off Arsenal and Liverpool had to come from behind to get a close win. We'd be under huge pressure to get at least 4 points from Brighton and West Ham away to maintain some breathing room.
You want to avoid going into the last 2 games needing to win at all costs.
Weird things can happen in football, no one on here was predicting we drop points to Palace, Leeds and Southampton in quick succession but that's exactly what we did not long ago. Of course the same applies to Liverpool, they can drop points. Feels like momentum is with them though.
United dropping too many points we need to win 4 out of the 6 games imo
I don't get it unless I'm missing something. Last weekend when Newcastle beat Spurs general consensus was top four alright, then was talk of Brighton till Forrest beat them, now it's Liverpool who weren't that impressive vs Forrest and got away with it last night vs West Ham.
4th is starting to feel like a little bit of a let down, 3rd would have made me feel like the season was a big step forward. Making the top 4 was the main goal so that helps.
We needed 4 wins and one draw. We got a draw in toughest game. I would have taken that before the game. Win vs Villa and draw vs Brighton will be good results.
Villa, West Ham and Brighton, all potential teams who can beat United. Cannot trust this united team without Martinez being available. Just hoping liverpool screw up.
4 out of 7
So putting this into context, assuming Liverpool win all their games (which they won't), we can afford 3 losses and still get top 4, as can Newcastle.
People can worry as much as they want, but it's such an unlikely turn of events.
The pessimist I am, I still have us taking 13 points from our last 21 available.
People can worry as much as they want, but it's such an unlikely turn of events.
The pessimist I am, I still have us taking 13 points from our last 21 available.
To every one of you getting paranoid about the top4 spot: if this team is fragile enough to 'bottle' it from this position, why stress about missing out on the CL?
As someone mentioned already, do you really want us to drop out of the group stage or best case scenario scrape through and get spanked by any of the European elites in the Knockouts?
As someone mentioned already, do you really want us to drop out of the group stage or best case scenario scrape through and get spanked by any of the European elites in the Knockouts?
I do the scousers are jammy, we need to take at least 6 points from next 3 games, villa game is a must win now.
We have 7 games remaining but correct we need 4 wins/12 points to guarantee us finishing above Liverpool who need to win them all for 71.
- Villa home
- Brighton away
- West ham away
- Wolves home
- Bournemouth away
- Chelsea home
- Fulham home
If we beat Villa and Spurs and Liverpool draw that’s that
Because if you can offer Champions League football to potential recruits, you can attract a higher calibre of player to replace the bottlers we have.
Liverpool have four of their last six games at home, and the two away games are against sides in the bottom three currently, with a doomed Southampton on the final day - they really couldn't have picked a better run-in.
We have to do our job and to get to 72.