Race for top 4 | Finito.

Villa supporting work colleague is getting the finest small latte available at Costa on Monday.

Leeds supporting colleague at work is getting a chair thrown at him, just because.
 
A top four finish will be progress. It's not worth celebrating but should certainly be acknowledged.
It's the big reset button though, which we need. Get it, and get the club sale fixed, and then the big challenge starts... Top three next year let's gooooo
 
To be absolutely precise: up until that point if the Champions League winner didn't qualify for next year's competition via their league finish, it was left up to the domestic league to decide which team they want to nominate. For example, Real Madrid finished 5th in La Liga in 2000 but won the Champions League and La Liga fecked fourth placed Real Zaragoza without a moment's hesitation.

In 2005, the Premier League didn't want to screw over Everton so Liverpool would have been out but for a massive campaign that saw UEFA relent and allow Liverpool to start in the first qualifying round. Technically they weren't counted as an English club that season, hence getting drawn in the same group as Chelsea. At the same time, UEFA clarified the rule: the CL winner always qualifies for the competition but if they come from an association that already has 4 CL places, that association won't get a 5th slot even if the CL winner doesn't finish in the top 4. Thus if Spurs had finished fourth in 2006 but Arsenal won the CL (neither happened obviously but bear with me), Spurs would have been fecked.

This got changed a few years ago and now the top leagues can have a maximum of five participants. Now the only way the 4th placed team in the Premier League can miss out is if both the Champions League and the Europa League is won by a Premier League club that finishes outside the top 4. Which theoretically could have happened, for example, in 16/17 where Arsenal were really close to a CL win while we won the Europa League. And by really close I mean they shipped ten in two games against Bayern in the round of 16.

Don’t worry about all that, what happened to Liverpool winning every game?
 
Dream scenario has happened with us winning two games and Liverpool dropping points. It’s done now which is great for us.
 
Is this thread still full of bed wetters or have they all calmed down now?
 
Maybe I'm a debbie downer , but finishing fourth and celebrating just feels wrong to me.
Same people celebrating 4th are the same people that celebrate us going out of the Europa League all so we can you know, get into the Champions League & do feck all.

I’m happy we’ve got 4th but we used to take the piss out of the Wenger boys for the way some are acting.
 
Same people celebrating 4th are the same people that celebrate us going out of the Europa League all so we can you know, get into the Champions League & do feck all.

I’m happy we’ve got 4th but we used to take the piss out of the Wenger boys for the way some are acting.
Football has changed. I remember celebrating the FA cup and European Cup winners cup victories back in the day. Now it’s confidence building.

At the end of the day. There are only two trophies to win and celebrate. The PL and CL.
 
Same people celebrating 4th are the same people that celebrate us going out of the Europa League all so we can you know, get into the Champions League & do feck all.

I’m happy we’ve got 4th but we used to take the piss out of the Wenger boys for the way some are acting.
Inter are about to play a CL final and they're shit.

If we have a good window we have a chance. CL money is key to getting us the players we need to win the league and CL again.
 
Same people celebrating 4th are the same people that celebrate us going out of the Europa League all so we can you know, get into the Champions League & do feck all.

I’m happy we’ve got 4th but we used to take the piss out of the Wenger boys for the way some are acting.

Difference is they were at their prime during that period and celebrating. They never strived to achieve more.

No one will be happy with just "top 4" next season, but for this season its what we needed.
 
Don’t worry about all that, what happened to Liverpool winning every game?
Gotta admit, I did expect stuff like them getting 15 minutes of extra time to score a winner but I didn't think they'd still feck it up somehow.
 
Always liked Emery. Gave us 3 points and stopped Liverpool. My most favorite manager in the league.
 
We draw against Chelsea twice a year. It will be a good result for us and their best result this season, its done.

Frank would be happy with a draw too, it would look respectable on his cv: "got a point in Old Trafford"

Need a solid, professional job on Thursday!
 
Always liked Emery. Gave us 3 points and stopped Liverpool. My most favorite manager in the league.
Also got 3 off us with a dodgy free kick on his manager bounce but I guess today was karma
 
Football has changed. I remember celebrating the FA cup and European Cup winners cup victories back in the day. Now it’s confidence building.

At the end of the day. There are only two trophies to win and celebrate. The PL and CL.
Football hasn’t changed though, football fandom has.

Winning an FA Cup is still winning the FA Cup. People acting like you can’t win a cup & reach reasonable league goals is a phenomena I’m never understanding.

I’ve always thought winning trophies helped build confidence but maybe losing in a Europa League Quarter Final is the confidence boost this teams needs for next season. . .
 
Inter are about to play a CL final and they're shit.

If we have a good window we have a chance. CL money is key to getting us the players we need to win the league and CL again.
Some people never learn.
Difference is they were at their prime during that period and celebrating. They never strived to achieve more.

No one will be happy with just "top 4" next season, but for this season its what we needed.
We’ll see.

We’ve been continually knocked out of the Cups people don’t care for & people think the bulk of this squad will suddenly improve next year, good luck with that.

Apparently only 2 competitions count & we’re long shots for both already next year but whoopee, Champions League money. . .
 
Some people never learn.

We’ll see.

We’ve been continually knocked out of the Cups people don’t care for & people think the bulk of this squad will suddenly improve next year, good luck with that.

Apparently only 2 competitions count & we’re long shots for both already next year but whoopee, Champions League money. . .
We are a week away from doing the domestic cup double? Who says we don’t care about them?
 
Villa doing us a big favour. Although if Watkins didn’t crumble at the penalty spot it would’ve been done and dusted. That said if we can’t secure 1 point from our last 2 games then we don’t deserve CL.
 
Some people never learn.

We’ll see.

We’ve been continually knocked out of the Cups people don’t care for & people think the bulk of this squad will suddenly improve next year, good luck with that.

Apparently only 2 competitions count & we’re long shots for both already next year but whoopee, Champions League money. . .
I'm assuming you want to see us win the league and CL again.

Do you not think qualifying for the CL increases our chances of that happening?

Would you rather see us play in the Europa because the quality is lower and we have a better chance of winning?

I'm sure Inter are devastated they have a "long shot" of winning the CL and would rather be in a 2nd rate competition instead.
 
Well fair enough.
I’d say there’s an element of truth to that as well. No time builds to win the Carabao or FA cup
Exactly. No team builds to win them but not many teams crash out of the Europa & clinch Top4 with a game to go then suddenly become European & title contenders.

When we ruled the world dismissing trophies made sense but we can’t even win the ones we apparently don’t care about consistently. The League Cup was the first trophy in how long?

There’s a reason Peps City have won the League Cup so many times, squad depth is a major one but it also is about a standard. By all means don’t be cut up if we lose but this squad get too many passes.
 
Liverpool are 25/1 to finish in the top 4 now and you can get 16/1 on United NOT finishing in the top 4. If anyone’s nervous still, fill your boots
 
I'm confused ...

Are the same people that were convinced we would bottle top 4 because the almighty Liverpool were breathing down our necks are now saying that getting top 4 is nothing to celebrate about ?
 
Same people celebrating 4th are the same people that celebrate us going out of the Europa League all so we can you know, get into the Champions League & do feck all.

I’m happy we’ve got 4th but we used to take the piss out of the Wenger boys for the way some are acting.
Baby steps and all. I mean nobody is celebrating, people are glad if that's allowed.
 
The bearded baboon was in the stand for Liverpool's game today, I wonder if that had a bearing on them not getting a win?
 
Liverpool are 25/1 to finish in the top 4 now and you can get 16/1 on United NOT finishing in the top 4. If anyone’s nervous still, fill your boots
I'm a bit nervous. Those numbers seem about right, though, I wouldn't be hugely tempted myself.
 
Not going to lie, I had doubts just for how quickly Liverpool were winning so many in a row and us struggling to get results against teams we should be blowing away with the talent we have.
Just delighted now that it looks like we have CL for next season, more money, better calibre of player and make a right go of it. I mean, someone has to be able to take it to city
 
After feeling pretty doom and gloom after the West Ham game, I can finally feel a little easier. 1 point is very achievable in our next two games.

We still need to show professionalism and concentration in our final matches. It might be 1 point but it’s not given for free, it must be earned. Chelsea might be rubbish but they could still be dangerous if we don’t take it seriously. Fulham already played us off the park at Old Trafford once this season and we got lucky to win that one so don’t take the task lightly.

Would ideally get it sorted in the Chelsea game and have a no pressure game at the end of the season.
 
Just hope we tidy it up on Thursday (I think we will)
Not sure anyone’s nerves can bear a last day with it all on the line.