The fact it's cross-gen is more proof that it could be 60 fps.
Gaming PS5 vs Xbox Series S|X
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What?
The only problem you really get with PC games these days, rather ironically, is the fecking shit xbox app.
Regardless of whether you prefer FPS or graphic fidelity, the question surely has to be about choice.
Every AAA game should give the user two or three preset options, if they aren't willing to give a slider of sorts.
Every AAA game should give the user two or three preset options, if they aren't willing to give a slider of sorts.
The only problem you really get with PC games these days, rather ironically, is the fecking shit xbox app.
Jesus, tell me about it!
The amount of time I've had to mess around getting my mic to work on there is unbelievable. Finally sorted it though!
Although my friend, for whatever reason when in there, always has hissing with his mic, yet fine in discord. We've tried everything online and nothing works
Yep, I agree. They won't though, at least not properly. We've had a few necessary concessions the past few years with the 4k/hdr stuff, but all in all they want console games to be about the looks for sales.
If anyone were going to do it, you'd think something like Fortnite would for the comp side. But Sony, Ms and Ninty all used to not allow pc style graphics settings, so maybe they still don't.
As I said in another thread, I had to completely wipe my son's laptop and restart just to get Sea of Thieves downloaded, and now my main pc (which is optimised to feck, I know what I'm doing) was corrupted by a windows update and the Halo MCC one not co-operating, so now it's fecked for installing. I've also had issues with some pass games not letting me install off the bat. Loads of people have had these issues, especially with the game pass.
I've cancelled the pass now, and when SoT comes out on steam (they've finally been allowed, because even the devs themselves hate the xbox app/ms store system) I doubt I'll be using that app again. It's shockingly amateurish
And that ultimately, most people just want to play with their mates. Even if you wanna build one, most people don’t wanna be pissing about with a pc just to play games on, so your mates might not have one.
If crossplay becomes more popular then that’s no issue of course.
And so they shouldn’t. There shouldn’t be much room for manoeuvre at all there. Some PC players are basically cheating on Warzone with their shite graphic settings rendering any camo useless.
There's a big difference between in game settings done properly and stuff like the nvidia highlights that is an outside program and I personally agree is sketchy since a lot of games are yet to take it into account. Although I thought Warzone fixed that, or have they not yet?
Anyhow I'm not sure how that would affect console games, as the closed environment makes it much easier to make sure those things don't happen.
Not sure if they’ve fixed it. Have seen some vids recently where they have terrible graphics but don’t know recently they were recorded.
I guess it could be much more limited on console to avoid any major benefit.
Yeah sounds like you have a few issues with it!
The only problem you really get with PC games these days, rather ironically, is the fecking shit xbox app.
To be fair though.
Valhalla would surely breeze 60fps just by going from 4k to 1440p. Even 120fps could be doable at 1080p.
That's easy options
There is always some problem.What?
Me: Plays Portal Stories: Mel
Why have I got this screen tearing? Let's try turning V Sync on. Well thats not working. Let's try to limit FPS to 60 FPS. Well thats not working, let's go into NVidia Settings and force V Sync on. Still not working.
Rinse and repeat.
Now of course the downside of PS/Xbox is that Portal Stories Mel isn't ever going to be on them
But I don't believe there is any PC Gamer who doesn't get these issues sometimes. I just dont have time. I get maybe 20 minutes to game a day if that.
I gave up on Portal Stories Mel in the end
Oh mate, you have no idea how much I was raging at MS!
I mean they are supposed to be a software company, but they are just dogshit at it
I think there's a few examples. Not to the level of PC but more than we've had before.
Apex has a Field of View slider, on COD you can turn off film grain, motion blur, change colour scheme etc.
If the preset is the one that is highest fidelity and that is what is used in the marketing, surely it wouldn't have a huge impact to have the option to use a lesser Res for higher frames. They could still set a base line to make sure it met a certain standard.
If a load of games are going to be cross-gen for the first few years then second-stream marketing is going to be blurred anyway with various graphical outputs on show.
https://www.vg247.com/2020/06/03/unreal-engine-rewrite-ps5-ssd-speed/
https://venturebeat.com/2020/05/29/...rmed-what-to-expect-from-the-june-4-showcase/
The talk about this new SSD and IO is intriguing...
@Redlambs any thoughts on this stuff?
https://venturebeat.com/2020/05/29/...rmed-what-to-expect-from-the-june-4-showcase/
The talk about this new SSD and IO is intriguing...
@Redlambs any thoughts on this stuff?
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I'm pretty sure I said on here a while ago that it's a much better designed system. I've not got a copy of the sdk myself, but from what I hear the focus was on using the SSD more to help with bottlenecks and it has worked, to a degree. The CPU is still a weak link, but it's not trash. Because of the streaming capability though, I'd expect only the 1st party games to take full advantage of the new ways to build levels/open worlds this allows. Obviously cross platform titles will still need to be designed around the Xbox too, as the power advantage it has won't help much there. .
But of course, it's not going to be some amazing game changer out of the box and will rely on developers coming up with ways to use that speed so it's not just going to be about loading times.
As for Epic, they've said a few things lately about the PS5 which reads a lot like hype and some bumf. However it does beg the question why they are sucking up to Sony? I'm willing to bet at least part of it is tied to them finally agreeing to PS4/Xbox cross platform with Fortnite, maybe even leading to a fully fledged store release on the PS5.
With this extra power I hope they stop just pushing graphics, we're already approaching the point of diminishing returns with that. Isn't it about time we got some sort of AI upgrade? Enemy AI in most games is still kind of pathetic, it still feels like the original Halo was the last big step up for AI. Team mate AI remains often a joke.
It just feels like games in general are kind of stagnating and it needs something new, not just fancier graphics and quicker loading times.
It just feels like games in general are kind of stagnating and it needs something new, not just fancier graphics and quicker loading times.
Yeah I’d agree with this. I loved Sekiro and it’s one of my favourite games but it was let down by dreadfully dumb AI at times.
They’ve been saying PlayStations are easier to design games for and more powerful for generations now, yet games are no different on it, give or take a fraction of draw distance or something. The exclusives on PS, as good as some of them are, were hardly some incredible feat that would’ve been impossible to achieve on Xbox, and that’s proof it means nothing. Surely no one falls for this stuff anymore?
Lots do, that's why they keep putting it out there.
Even the best games are let down by the fact you're essentially facing idiots. I think Alien Isolation was maybe the last time I felt like enemy AI wasn't just me toying with fools.
Would you recommend Sekiro if someone isn't particularly enamoured with the Dark Souls formula? I see it on sale on Xbox Live at the minute and I'm so bored I'm tempted, but don't really get the appeal of Souls games.
This really. Of course I love upgrading graphics but I would prefer revolutionazing gameplay
Sekiro is awesome, but first playthtough is frustratingly difficult. I had to go online to look for guide in almost every mini-boss and boss fight.
The PS3 was easier to design games for?
I’m not a huge fan of the Souls games but I loved Sekiro so yeah I’d recommend it. It requires patience to get used to the games mechanics and some of the bosses are insanely hard but it’s worth it. Tempted to replay through it myself in all honesty.
What sort of things do you see on the horizon? Other than the gameplay from the UE5 demo what new types of gameplay would you think to use this stuff for?
Hhmm I might give it a go. I'm essentially just putting on games then abandoning them after a few hours lately.
The battle system is really enjoyable and there’s a great sense of satisfaction when you start to master it. Different strategies are required for different enemies/bosses and it’s got a fairly good story. The Japanese setting is also
I could do with swording some stuff in the face ninja style. Even though some Japanese people recently stole £70 from me with their nostalgia based lies. I'd love a 4k remake of Ninja Gaiden 1+2 now that I think about it.The battle system is really enjoyable and there’s a great sense of satisfaction when you start to master it. Different strategies are required for different enemies/bosses and it’s got a fairly good story. The Japanese setting is also
Sold! I'll give it a go. Even though I don't seem to be as good at games as I used to be. My thumbs are old and slow.
My bad, I got mixed up. The Xbox was easier to design games for that gen and didn’t see much difference, so the point still stands.
have a look at RDR1 and GTA IV
Or the early gen COD (BO/MW/WAW/MW2)
I think one of the early EA games just (nearly) completely disregarded the CELL.
They all ran better on Xbox. I struggled to play RDR because it was so low res
How does the point still stand when it contradicts your point?
Because one being easier to design for ends up being next to meaningless in practice the majority of the time. That was the point.
Noted. I remember a lot of comparisons back then with marginal differences though.
They both have SSDs, it's not that one is easier than the other, they both are easier than the previous gen, the platforms are similar to each other and the previous gen so no need to start from scratch etc, and finally we are getting close to diminishing returns (graphically).
So I'm expecting things to be improved in numerous ways next gen, I don't think shinier graphics is enough tbh...
So I'm expecting things to be improved in numerous ways next gen, I don't think shinier graphics is enough tbh...
Linus Tech Tips did a semi-interesting video on SSDs a few months ago.
tl;dw They had 3 'identical' PCs except one had a PCI Gen 4 SSD, one had an NVME SSD and one had a SATA 3 SSD. No one could tell the difference between what one was actually 'faster'. Actually its more than that, some of those they had looking at the computers swore blind that certain PCs were the fastest or slowest, i.e. that the SATA 3 PC was the fastest or that the Gen-4 was the slowest. I think it's a case of the semi-random bottlenecks in other areas producing slowdowns that made them think that one PC must be the slowest or not.
I don't claim to understand everything Sony are coming out with, with the PS5, but it definitely seems like a paradigm shift
Also, I didn't realise but watching that Mark Cerny video, they seem to have announced that the SSD has 825 GB of space available.
I think we'll be able to have a External HDD like we can now but we have to move the games off of it to play them. It would be interesting if only a portion of the data in each game was saved on the SSD and the rest streamed in from a fast HDD when you start the game. But I guess that ultimately that would undermine the point of the SSD being to give this generational leap so it's probably a good idea they design the consoles
I think we'll be able to have a External HDD like we can now but we have to move the games off of it to play them. It would be interesting if only a portion of the data in each game was saved on the SSD and the rest streamed in from a fast HDD when you start the game. But I guess that ultimately that would undermine the point of the SSD being to give this generational leap so it's probably a good idea they design the consoles