Gaming PS5 vs Xbox Series S|X

Which do you think will release first?

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caid said:
I guess im frustrated with how locked down and limited the options on PS5 are. I'd probably use the network options on the ps5 for a weekend every 2 or 3 months - there isn't much deals to save there. I can pay €8 for a month that it'll be in some use every 2 or 3 months or pay €40 ish for a year on sale, that'll cover the 5 or so times i use it. I can pay €100 for a ps5 with a disc drive, and make the money back after buying, i dont know, 5+ games? But a disc drive costs about a tenner to make so i resent giving them €100 for one. I'm not sure i'll even buy 5 games over its lifetime at this point. Cheapest ive seen Demons Souls 18 months after release is €50, which is what i'd expect to pay for a new release on pc. Same with Returnal. At this point my attitude to both is feck it i'll forget about them for a couple of years and get them for free on epic games store. I've spent €15 here and there on Last of Us 2 and stuff (stuff with no resale value) but i've covered the ps4 library months (years?) ago so what else is coming?
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I suppose the problem is your usage is quite low whereas a hardcore console gamer can get a lot of value out of the services offered by both companies. Using it to get access purely for the online or for a few games which then trap you into keeping the service or rushing the game isn't appealing. Some people even got on the 3 years for £120 offer on Games Pass which was ridiculous, I don't think we can say £3 odd a month is bad value! Not sure if something similar has been available on PS5.

The other side to the games holding value is can't you just buy Demons Souls, play it, and put it on eBay? You're not going to lose all that much. You'd lose more if they were £35 to begin with and then depreciated within a year so yes the price stings but there are options. It's a bad market for games hoarding but not necessarily for the value conscious.
 
Abraxas said:
I suppose the problem is your usage is quite low whereas a hardcore console gamer can get a lot of value out of the services offered by both companies. Using it to get access purely for the online or for a few games which then trap you into keeping the service or rushing the game isn't appealing. Some people even got on the 3 years for £120 offer on Games Pass which was ridiculous, I don't think we can say £3 odd a month is bad value! Not sure if something similar has been available on PS5.

The other side to the games holding value is can't you just buy Demons Souls, play it, and put it on eBay? You're not going to lose all that much. You'd lose more if they were £35 to begin with and then depreciated within a year so yes the price stings but there are options. It's a bad market for games hoarding but not necessarily for the value conscious.
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I have that which shall not be named as well and my usage is higher on that. Daily if not weekly. Its a better service and more games built for it.
Paying anything for network access is bad value. The free games have been worthless for a year. Charging to lock customers into their weak service is always going to be a hard sell for me and sony have failed miserably to convince me of its value. Xbox is another matter that basically highlights how shit sony's service is by being orders of magnitude better in every sense.
Fair point with the ebay thing.
 
Sorry @Damien
I just feel like picking a fight and talking shit about ps5 recently for some reason
I wont stick to this thread for my nonsensical warring. I'll just shut up and go away. Or pick a fight with the crypto nutters, that seems to be a thing.
 
It's crazy how people who pilloried Xbox for having backwards compatibility, because who wants to play old games am I right, are now loving the PlayStation back catalogue on PS+. It's not lost on some of us though that games you already own on a previous Xbox consoles are free on Xbox and are often upgraded free of charge. Not like paying £70 for an up grade of a PS4 game.
 
Fully Fledged said:
It's crazy how people who pilloried Xbox for having backwards compatibility, because who wants to play old games am I right, are now loving the PlayStation back catalogue on PS+. It's not lost on some of us though that games you already own on a previous Xbox consoles are free on Xbox and are often upgraded free of charge. Not like paying £70 for an up grade of a PS4 game.
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I actually seem to have gotten a bunch of old games for free on the PS5. Bought Journey on PS3 and there was a free copy on the ps5 store. There were a couple others too but cant remember them.
Journey is great incidentally.
 
caid said:
I actually seem to have gotten a bunch of old games for free on the PS5. Bought Journey on PS3 and there was a free copy on the ps5 store. There were a couple others too but cant remember them.
Journey is great incidentally.
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There are 640 games on Xbox that you can play for free if you have the original game. A large percentage of these have been upgraded at no extra cost.
 
Fully Fledged said:
There are 640 games on Xbox that you can play for free if you have the original game. A large percentage of these have been upgraded at no extra cost.
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Yeah i've always been quite partial to backward compatibility. I have a few old consoles that get wheeled out every so often. They've put together a good library on Xbox, its a good deal even if their first party stuff isn't necessarily amazing (like it wouldn't compare favourably against nintendo but who would really)
 
Fully Fledged said:
There are 640 games on Xbox that you can play for free if you have the original game. A large percentage of these have been upgraded at no extra cost.
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The back-compat features were a big part of my recent decision to buy a Series X. Was home last week and grabbed a bunch of OG Xbox games excitedly to play on my new console.

fecking none of them are supported, and apparently they aren't adding any more games to the catalogue.

I was so excited to play games like Def Jam FFNY, Prince of Persia Warrior Within + Two Thrones (seems Sands of Time is playable), LOTR The Third Age again. Really put a damper on my enthusiasm for the console honestly.
 
caid said:
Yeah i've always been quite partial to backward compatibility. I have a few old consoles that get wheeled out every so often. They've put together a good library on Xbox, its a good deal even if their first party stuff isn't necessarily amazing (like it wouldn't compare favourably against nintendo but who would really)
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Nintendo's games are always aimed too young for me. As a 56 year old I prefer games that are more adult orientated.
 
Bebe said:
The back-compat features were a big part of my recent decision to buy a Series X. Was home last week and grabbed a bunch of OG Xbox games excitedly to play on my new console.

fecking none of them are supported, and apparently they aren't adding any more games to the catalogue.

I was so excited to play games like Def Jam FFNY, Prince of Persia Warrior Within + Two Thrones (seems Sands of Time is playable), LOTR The Third Age again. Really put a damper on my enthusiasm for the console honestly.
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School boy error mate check the list before buying any games to play on back compat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_backward-compatible_games_for_Xbox_One_and_Series_X/S
 
Bebe said:
The back-compat features were a big part of my recent decision to buy a Series X. Was home last week and grabbed a bunch of OG Xbox games excitedly to play on my new console.

fecking none of them are supported, and apparently they aren't adding any more games to the catalogue.

I was so excited to play games like Def Jam FFNY, Prince of Persia Warrior Within + Two Thrones (seems Sands of Time is playable), LOTR The Third Age again. Really put a damper on my enthusiasm for the console honestly.
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It was the same on the 360. Only a selection of OG Xbox games were supported. I assume they're using the same emulator tech (whatever that means)
 
Vidyoyo said:
It was the same on the 360. Only a selection of OG Xbox games were supported. I assume they're using the same emulator tech (whatever that means)
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Seems that way. Real shame they can't update it. Now I've got the bug to play some of these games; guess I'll have to fiddle with PC emulators or something.
 
Fully Fledged said:
It's crazy how people who pilloried Xbox for having backwards compatibility, because who wants to play old games am I right, are now loving the PlayStation back catalogue on PS+. It's not lost on some of us though that games you already own on a previous Xbox consoles are free on Xbox and are often upgraded free of charge. Not like paying £70 for an up grade of a PS4 game.
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It really is. I keep reading the PS5 thread thinking, boys you know you could have had this already right?

For me, the PS5 still has nowhere near enough exclusive games to justify the cost of what amounts to a poorer equivalent of gamepass + shelling out £60 for the few new games it has.

*Dons riot gear ready*
 
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Vidyoyo said:
It really is. I keep reading the PS5 thread thinking, boys you know you could have had this already right?

For me, PS5 still has nowhere near enough exclusive games to justify the cost of what amounts to a poorer equivalent of gamepass + shelling out £60 for the few new games it has.

*Dons riot gear ready*
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It wont 18 months in, it cant at this point to be fair. People are making assumptions about the future and they're right to expect a good selection over the course of the consoles life. The PS4 did pretty well in that regard.
The pricing is terrible, your paying a premium and the service doesn't reflect that. No arguments on that front
 
caid said:
It wont 18 months in, it cant at this point to be fair. People are making assumptions about the future and they're right to expect a good selection over the course of the consoles life. The PS4 did pretty well in that regard.
The pricing is terrible, your paying a premium and the service doesn't reflect that. No arguments on that front
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It could but Sony had a huge market lead and no way were they going to come into this console generation seeing a need to appeal to new customers through innovative tactics. As I've said many times, it was the same going from PS2 > PS3.

Nintendo are the same as well. They literally stopped trying when they released BotW and Mario Odyssey (to an extent SSBU) and realised the Switch would print money regardless of the quality of their product.
 
Vidyoyo said:
It could but Sony had a huge market lead and no way were they going to come into this console generation seeing a need to appeal to customers. Their market base allows them to be lapse in waysMicrosoft could only dream of - and which I'm thankful for because ultimately being a discerning consumer sure beats the hell out of being a dogmatic fanboy. No offense Elvis.

Nintendo are the same as well. They literally stopped trying when they released BotW and Mario Odyssey and realised the Switch would print money regardless of the quality of the product.
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It reminds of the PS3 a bit in that regard too. They seem to trade pissing off their market and losing business while the other just releases good games at a fair price every generation. They'll get their shit together by the end of the generation when people have stopped paying attention (releasing the last of us on ps3 and a couple of other good exclusives, releasing gamepass on the xbox) and it'll put them in a good frame of mind for building their next console. While the other is printing money hand over fist and its only concern is how they can bleed even more money out of customers.
 
caid said:
It reminds of the PS3 a bit in that regard too. They seem to trade pissing off their market and losing business while the other just releases good games at a fair price every generation. They'll get their shit together by the end of the generation when people have stopped paying attention (releasing the last of us on ps3 and a couple of other good exclusives, releasing gamepass on the xbox) and it'll put them in a good frame of mind for building their next console. While the other is printing money hand over fist and its only concern is how they can bleed even more money out of customers.
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Are they pissing off their market though? That's something I can't wrap my head around as it does appear Sony fans are dogmatically positive about any minor thing even when the quality is questionable, and especially so with regard to pricing, whilst also being hypercritical of competing products. Nintendo fans are famously like this, which is why it took a really shoddy product like the Wii U to spur them into being outraged for a change.

Best case I see this generation is Sony losing a huge chunk of their market lead to MS and really trying harder for the next console generation, at which point I'll happily be back aboard the Sony wagon.
 
Vidyoyo said:
Are they pissing off their market though? That's something I can't wrap my head around as it does appear Sony fans are dogmatically positive about any minor thing even when the quality is questionable, and especially so with regard to pricing, whilst also being hypercritical of competing products. Nintendo fans are famously like this, which is why it took a really shoddy product like the Wii U to spur them into being outraged for a change.

Best case I see this generation is Sony losing a huge chunk of their market lead to MS and really trying harder for the next console generation, at which point I'll happily be back aboard the Sony wagon.
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Well the market is bigger than Sony fanboys. And most others i've talked to haven't had much good to say about it
 
Vidyoyo said:
Are they pissing off their market though? That's something I can't wrap my head around as it does appear Sony fans are dogmatically positive about any minor thing even when the quality is questionable, and especially so with regard to pricing, whilst also being hypercritical of competing products. Nintendo fans are famously like this, which is why it took a really shoddy product like the Wii U to spur them into being outraged for a change.

Best case I see this generation is Sony losing a huge chunk of their market lead to MS and really trying harder for the next console generation, at which point I'll happily be back aboard the Sony wagon.
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I don't know if I'm dogmatically positive, but I certainly don't see the PS5 so far being anything like the disaster PS3 launch. The basic PS Plus collection they make available on PS5 is pretty much stacked full of heavy hitters. Horizon and Demon's Souls were both pretty high polish, unmistakably AAA titles along with Ratchet & Clank (which, tbf, I've never played). I feel like there's quite a bit to play on the console, basically.

That being said, I take the point that some of the value propositions MS is starting to offer make everyone else look behind the times. It's not something that's bothered me much, but if I were buying my first console, with no emotional attachment to either company and no existing collection of games on previous gens, Xbox would be comfortably ahead due to gamepass.
 
Bebe said:
I don't know if I'm dogmatically positive, but I certainly don't see the PS5 so far being anything like the disaster PS3 launch. The basic PS Plus collection they make available on PS5 is pretty much stacked full of heavy hitters. Horizon and Demon's Souls were both pretty high polish, unmistakably AAA titles along with Ratchet & Clank (which, tbf, I've never played). I feel like there's quite a bit to play on the console, basically.

That being said, I take the point that some of the value propositions MS is starting to offer make everyone else look behind the times. It's not something that's bothered me much, but if I were buying my first console, with no emotional attachment to either company and no existing collection of games on previous gens, Xbox would be comfortably ahead due to gamepass.
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Most of them owned PS4's so the PS Collection wasn't much use to them. It was a good selling point for me to be fair. I've honestly heard next to nothing about Horizon to be honest, i think releasing it next to elden ring didn't do it any favours.
I think theres an element of people not caring as much about sequels. God of War 3 released on PS3 and no one cared really because it was about the 5th one in the series. People were a lot more enthusiastic about the new one because they gave it a bit of room to breathe and it was a fairly new approach to the formula.
 
Vidyoyo said:
Are they pissing off their market though? That's something I can't wrap my head around as it does appear Sony fans are dogmatically positive about any minor thing even when the quality is questionable, and especially so with regard to pricing, whilst also being hypercritical of competing products. Nintendo fans are famously like this, which is why it took a really shoddy product like the Wii U to spur them into being outraged for a change.

Best case I see this generation is Sony losing a huge chunk of their market lead to MS and really trying harder for the next console generation, at which point I'll happily be back aboard the Sony wagon.
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At the risk of sounding dogmatically positive, I think you are downplaying the quality available on PS5 far too much. With releases like Demon's Souls, Returnal, Miles Morales, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, even GT7 if you're into that, they still seem as committed to delivering quality games as last generation if you ask me. I specifically omitted Horizon: Forbidden West from that list, I think my comments in that thread prove that I can and will be hyper critical of Sony games if they're not up to it. :lol:

There's no denying the pricing of new AAA titles is excessive, but at least the two best PS5 exclusives, Demon's Souls and Returnal, are already available on the PS Plus Extra tier, so that's a decent start. If you don't feel the need to play each game when it's new and shiny, it's definitely possible to be more economical about your gaming purchases with PSN discounts and such. Is it as good as the service MS is providing? Obviously not even close, but gaming isn't something that can be reduced to pure economics.

I think Sony still have enough going for them to make the comparison to the PS3 era feel a little unfair. They're still releasing quality games, improving their subscription services and they seem committed to supporting PC as a platform as well, which is a plus. And for VR enthusiasts, the upcoming hardware looks great. Their biggest problem, at least in my opinion, is that their entertainment division is led by someone who doesn't have a clue about gamers. There's a weird irony in the PS5 launching with a built-in game like Astro's Playroom, which is a fantastic and loving homage to Playstation's rich history, while at the same time Jim Ryan will never ever understand that and doesn't give a shit about game preservation. If there's one wish I have for the future of Playstation, it's that this guy fecks off and is replaced by someone who actually cares. Fat chance though.
 
Spoony said:
Is there a game graphically better than Forza Horizon? Looks bloody amazing.
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Amazing game too. More a driving game than a racing game but it's absolutely class.
 
It's really hard to compare games graphics but it's certainly up there as one of the best, and for me probably does win it. Demon Souls close 2nd.

Forza Horizon 4 too looked incredible especially in winter when you were in the mountains.

Miles Morales, Gears 5 Hivebusters and Demon Souls are the other best looking games I've played.

I haven't been back to Horizon FW since the recent shimmering fix. Before that, it really didn't look anywhere near as good as it supposedly should on my TV.

Ratchet looked great but I find it harder to appreciate animated, cartoon style graphics as much. The particle effects were nice though.
 
Spoony said:
Must admit I was disappointed with Halo though. I'd love to see Halo taken to a another level.
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Yeah same. Thought it looked good but definitely not one of the best looking games around. For multiplayer the clean aesthetic was great, but they definitely could have done better with the single player.

Some of those others we mentioned are cross gen + open world too so can't use those as an excuse.
 
Spoony said:
Is there a game graphically better than Forza Horizon? Looks bloody amazing.
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car games always look good as there is so little going on in the majority of the environment. (look at motorstom PS3 and driveclub PS4)

Personally Metro Exodus enhanced edition is the best for me.
 
Alock1 said:
It's really hard to compare games graphics but it's certainly up there as one of the best, and for me probably does win it. Demon Souls close 2nd.

Forza Horizon 4 too looked incredible especially in winter when you were in the mountains.

Miles Morales, Gears 5 Hivebusters and Demon Souls are the other best looking games I've played.

I haven't been back to Horizon FW since the recent shimmering fix. Before that, it really didn't look anywhere near as good as it supposedly should on my TV.

Ratchet looked great but I find it harder to appreciate animated, cartoon style graphics as much. The particle effects were nice though.
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Tried a few mins of Forza Horizon today, I do think Forbidden West edges it although its hard to compare across genres. It feels so much better now that every leaf doesn't shimmer like an Xmas tree. Is your TV OLED?

I'd have both a step above Miles Morales, haven't played Demon's Souls yet.
 
Bosws87 said:
car games always look good as there is so little going on in the majority of the environment. (look at motorstom PS3 and driveclub PS4)

Personally Metro Exodus enhanced edition is the best for me.
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What is Metro like? Always seeing it on sale.
 
Vidyoyo said:
Imagine paying £450 for rip off games :lol:

But really, the idea games are a necessity in a cost of living crisis is an interesting reach. Just don't buy them if you can't afford them.
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Exactly, they are not a neccesity and the prices are clearly advertised.

Digital game prices are fairly obviously too high, but if you can't afford them don't buy them.
 
It's an absurd claim. No one has to buy new, full-price digital versions of games, which are the epitome of a luxury product anyway. And if you do, that's a conscious choice and is clearly only for those with enough disposable income. Why on earth should people get compensated for that?

There are alternatives: wait for digital sales, which are frequent and substantial, subscribe to stuff like PS Plus Extra or Game Pass or, as long as you didn't opt for a discless console, buy physical, which is completely out of the platform holder's control.

The whole thing is insane.
 
Ainu said:
It's an absurd claim. No one has to buy new, full-price digital versions of games, which are the epitome of a luxury product anyway. And if you do, that's a conscious choice and is clearly only for those with enough disposable income. Why on earth should people get compensated for that?

There are alternatives: wait for digital sales, which are frequent and substantial, subscribe to stuff like PS Plus Extra or Game Pass or, as long as you didn't opt for a discless console, buy physical, which is completely out of the platform holder's control.

The whole thing is insane.
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I do think there's an argument that there's no competition on digital console games and that does affect prices. That's across all consoles though, not just Sony. I think the EU will probably bring in a rule eventually anyway as they tend to act against monopolies.

You can compare the pricing to something like Steam to see what competition does to digital prices and I'm not sure the console digital sales are that great in comparison to either that or physical.
 
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