Ah so you want everyone who protests have the same directives. Good luck with that as no one can help you with that. Maybe attend the next one and ask around.
Protest at Old Trafford
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Ah so you want everyone who protests have the same directives. Good luck with that as no one can help you with that. Maybe attend the next one and ask around.
If there's no coordination or overall direction, or at the very least some agreement on basic aims and methods, there's not really much point to it?
What’s the alternative longevity the Glazers offer, what success do they guarantee?. If fans don’t express themselves what incentive do the owners have to compete for trophies or invest in the stadium and the training ground?.
Perhaps read up on what the City owners invested into the city as part of those deals as opposed to blithely suggesting we spunk a billion of public funds on enriching a rich corporation. I feel it's offensive you can even suggest this happens.
Right on. But then there needs to be some idea about what the owners are expected to do. Something reasonably clear and achievable, that people can rally around. "Glazers out" is great as a starting rallying point, but it's probably not something than can be achieved, or that would necessarily solve the problem even if it was.
Personally, I like "no dividends until the club has won the PL", combined with a commitment to invest in OT and Carrington, and with some sort of fan representation. That'd establish a workable settlement to me: The owners can take out profits, as long as the team wins.
MUST are coordinating their members. That does not mean that everyone attends is there on the MUST's agenda. I'm not sure where you get that everyone who attends a demonstration should be following a certain individual directive? There is no statement that only MUST members attend, it's open to all fans of every club. They will all have differing ambitions.
Of course there is a point, if you don't get it, then that's your issue. MUST are doing their bit and have made their requests to the owners. They have not stated the Glazers must sell as a current objective, fans who have such signs are simply making their own demands.
I'm curious how easy it would be to move the games to somewhere besides Old Trafford. Like Wembley. Or Tampa.
Just say it's not safe for the players.
Just say it's not safe for the players.
Jesus
Sorry, you're not getting the point. I'm not particularly concerned with MUST, you're the one who brought them into it. What I am pointing out is that while the starting point for such actions is often a highly diverse collection of different groups and individuals who coalesce around a shared sentiment but differ on most other things, civic activism generally doesn't work unless someone succeeds in uniting these disparate elements around at least some commonly accepted aims and agreed methods.
Hence, if the anti-Glazer protests continue on this basis, they will essentially be a waste of everyone's time, and damage the club for no useful purpose. Anger isn't enough. A willingness to get out there isn't enough. You can't support something that heads off in 15 different directions at once. You can't achieve something if you don't know what you want to achieve. If there is to be any point to this, someone has to gather the threads. Whether its MUST or someone else.
Some wisdom on show there
Firstly let me say I am not a Glazer fan and would prefer some other solution but they seem thin on the ground.
It was my way of suggesting that with a new stadium it is something we can all unite around. It would come with conditions, maybe investment in the squad. There are greater minds than mine who could put together a package from which everyone benefits. Who is going to buy United, spend £500M on the squad and £1B on a stadium. It is fanciful to think it will happen. As I said I do not underestimate the political ramifications but it would put Manchester for ever at the centre of the football world and you cannot put a price on that for jobs and investment into the city as a result.
It was my way of suggesting that with a new stadium it is something we can all unite around. It would come with conditions, maybe investment in the squad. There are greater minds than mine who could put together a package from which everyone benefits. Who is going to buy United, spend £500M on the squad and £1B on a stadium. It is fanciful to think it will happen. As I said I do not underestimate the political ramifications but it would put Manchester for ever at the centre of the football world and you cannot put a price on that for jobs and investment into the city as a result.
I think people can jump over those little metal barriers
No-one will get within 400metres of the ground this time. The stewards and police certainly don't need telling twice.
I feel the same way. The bit that concerns me is this part of our fanbase that are now on a bit of a crusade. We have little trust in the Glazers and rightfully so, but they have communicated and now its time to see what happens. Woe betide them if they don't follow through but they should be given the chance to.
Would be foolish to think that the barriers will be unattended by police or securities or crowd controllers.
Barricade is one thing, of course there will be guards.
Barricade is one thing, of course there will be guards.
It’s a bit of an overreaction in the video, but I seriously doubt we will see anything tomorrow or Thursday close to what occurred two Sundays ago.I think people can jump over those little metal barriers
MUST are organising the demonstrations, they have made their demands to the owners. Regardless of others that turn up or what those individuals want. MUST have their agenda and will continue to pursue it, there is no 15 directions coming from them. Not sure why you're focusing on people who aren't organising for themselves and who simply join in?
sorted
- Dont buy merchandies
- Do not show up at games, when that is possible again
- Green and gold
- Boycott sponsors
- Complaints to sponsors
Still, they need fans, staff, players (and preferably trophies) to make money, don´t they.
And the next day discuss who we need to sign this summer?
I get the feeling a lot these days, that the left half of the brain does not not know what the right half is doing.
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Well, I guess because pretty much all of the media attention is on the fans demanding the Glazers pack up and leave, and those preventing games from taking place, so that in practice it is their demands, and not MUSTs somewhat unexciting line, that actually defines the protest?
Looks like they have prepared this time round.
Anyone planning on going down on Thursday?
Yeesh, weren't those structures supporting the Old Trafford roof white instead of piss yellow? Our stadium really is rotting.
This is the most organised United have been in their defence since Ferguson left. Or even before.
Shows you where the priorities of the owners lie.
Shows you where the priorities of the owners lie.
So yeah, disrupting their income. Thanks for backing me up chief. Just one of many ways.
The protests are already fizzling out. I guess the Americans and their unvarnished greed will remain in charge instead of the Saudis.
Was there any protest at last night's game? If not, why not? This can't be a every now and again theme. If United fans really want the Glaser family out then they have to protest at EVERY home game. Already you can see the media and spin doctors trying to change the conversation away from the owners to transfers and speculation.
Disrupt club income then become outraged at every transfer story that suggests a big name signing might not arrive. Postpone games then claim FA conspiracy when we end up with fixture congestion.
Anyone who points out the obvious flaws in that logic are just Glazer stooges
Anyone who points out the obvious flaws in that logic are just Glazer stooges
Many fans are willing to take a hit or two for the cause.
Whether you agree with them or not is another matter, but to portray them all as hypocrites is unfair.
I'm getting quite sick of all the edgy cnuts proudly coming out with these stupid 'gotcha' arguments.
None of us know how this will all turn out. IF it turns out we cost the club money. And IF that means the club decide to spend less money on players then that's still a decision which is on the Glazers. They have taken a fortune out of the club, and cost us a ridiculous amount to finance THEIR DEBT. If they still won't put any of their own money in, then it simply highlights what most of us already know: They have to go.
Yeah that photograph is depressing as hell. Looks like the whole thing is rusted and ready to crumble.
Yes, I know what you mean.
This started with the ESL announcement - let's not forget that. The resentment towards the Glazers is obviously much older - but what's happening now was lit by the super league bollocks. That was the final straw for many. And for many United fans it isn't really about transfer budgets and trophies - it's about something much more fundamental.
To ignore that, and discredit a part of our so-called fan base by suggesting they're just throwing their toys out the pram (or worse, suggesting they're just thugs looking for a bit of action), is disgraceful.
Oh Super League my foot.
Is that why everyone wants owners like City’s who... signed them to the Super League?
Fans are understandably against the owners but a vocal minority support a scorched Earth policy and regardless it doesn’t mean people aren’t entitled to point out hypocrisy or illogical arguments
Is that why everyone wants owners like City’s who... signed them to the Super League?
Fans are understandably against the owners but a vocal minority support a scorched Earth policy and regardless it doesn’t mean people aren’t entitled to point out hypocrisy or illogical arguments
Seems like it's gonna be a game of cat and mouse tomorrow.
How charming. It's always easy to play smart behind the computer screen.
Is there anyone who does not use the brain completely here, it is the people who support yet another demonstration when we last saw that it is impossible to control and keep "non-violent", although the intentions were good. I would at all times rather hit the club financially than participate in such a demonstration as the last.
Take a deep breath before writing to someone you do not share an opinion with. It makes you appear more mature ... maybe even fully grown.
If they have a season ticket or have bought match ticket(s), bought shirt(s) or other merchandise or subscribe to Sky or BT then, yes, they could be described as hypocrites as they have contributed positively to the Glazers.