Classy.Stop being a prat!
I asked a genuine question and it was answered.
True but it is the minority who have given the media, a issue to change the narrative too. When you have such a large and passionate crowd someone is bound to go over the top, but we need to find away to stop them. It gives the media and the Glaser's a chance to deflect from the real issues. And now the media are all on this "Who will United buy" or Glaser's ready to "Splash the Cash". it's all bull, trying to deflect attention away from the real issues, Our Club is being destroyed by greedy, uncaring money grabbersIt amazes me how people make it about the minority who were abusive. The media and our fans should look at the bigger picture. A protest this large would impossibly be problem free.
It's takes a lot of self sacrifice. I don't live in Manchester or England and since the Glaser family started looting United I stopped going to games (10-20 games a season), stopped buying jerseys etc, and I don't subscribe to any of Uniteds web or media channels. This clears my own conscience for me but for it to hit the Glaser's it would take every United fan to Unite and make it a Global effort and yeah I can't really see that happening. But it is being reported that some of the sponsors are starting to get uneasy with the bad rep United and the Glaser's are getting as some fear it may be hurting their own personal reputations.I can't agree with the above. Given it's a global sport and given that there are that many viewers/fans around the world, I just find it hard to believe that there will be enough of a boycott by the fans to dissuade/impact the glazers from a financial viewpoint (I'm speaking from a global view point, there may be more than enough local boycotts but the from a global perspective I have my doubts).
I don't think that a "fan's boycotting" movement should be relied upon, I struggle to see this working on a large enough scale to impact the Glazers
Read my post again, what was violent about that protest? Idk where u are from or why are u even here, but u dont have a clue what is or was going on. There wasn't violence until police showed up. There was plenty of evidence police beating supporters. People who got into OT were old people with grandkids, schoolkids, people with their girlfriends. Don't spread knowledge here if u don't pay attention.
But as Rio, Keane and Gary said. WE HAVE ALREADY TRIED SILENT PROTEST, that is what they want. they dont give a f about silent protest. When did u start watching United? We had the best academy, sorry but OT is sacred to me. United revenue has been 6 Billion since Glazers took over. Of that 6 billion 1 billion has went to new players, 2 billion has gone to Glazers themselves (of that 2 billion 900 m to interest payments) and only a whopping 100 mil to fix OT (20 mil 2020 summer to paint over cracks). Have u been to OT? to other top stadiums? Notice any difference? They dont even care about OT, they dont care about our players, our coaches, our staff. Newsflash, only thing they care about is taking money out of our club.
U have to get people notice us because sitting silently outside OT wont help. Did you know that more people watched that protest than football on sunday? Every news station was covering it. Rio said yesterday that he is side to side with the fans. Gary protected people who went to OT, Keane said if he knows anything about Man United fans is that this is just the start. What do you think those 20 000 fans at Stretford End would say? who is right, you, or the legends of our club and legends at the stadium on Sunday
Oh come on, some of the anti Glazer posters have been so over the top it's laughable.Strange thing to get off on, and quite a sad day if that's the best thing that's happened.
Don't expect an answer except "You're a Glazer shill".My question to the fans who are advocating the poison pill treatment for the club is how sure are they that they will be able to revive the club after a new owner comes in. And what makes them sure that the new owners will not be as bad as if not worse than the Glazers.
My question to the fans who are advocating the poison pill treatment for the club is how sure are they that they will be able to revive the club after a new owner comes in. And what makes them sure that the new owners will not be as bad as if not worse than the Glazers.
So don’t you think that a plan needs to be there before we set fire to everything. Or are we just going out in the hope that the next one who comes in will be an all round good guy. The last time the class of 92 and the red knights started/fueled the green and gold campaign, they were in cahoots with peter lim. We all know how he is running Valencia now.How sure are you the Glazers won’t sell to someone even worse when it suits them?. No one knows what next owner will be like, what we do know is the current ones are going to extract as much as possible for themselves, spend as little money as possible and pay hundreds of millions in interest.
And the new owner is likely to have to pay out even more because of the high buying price. So we'll be worse off than now. What a great idea.How sure are you the Glazers won’t sell to someone even worse when it suits them?. No one knows what next owner will be like, what we do know is the current ones are going to extract as much as possible for themselves, spend as little money as possible and pay hundreds of millions in interest.
So don’t you think that a plan needs to be there before we set fire to everything. Or are we just going out in the hope that the next one who comes in will be an all round good guy. The last time the class of 92 and the red knights started/fueled the green and gold campaign, they were in cahoots with peter lim. We all know how he is running Valencia now.
The only thing we know is that billionaires are billionaires because they are greedy. The ones who are going to buy the club will want something from it. That can be either money in the form of dividends or they would want to use the clubs image and global appeal to sports wash their image.
And the new owner is likely to have to pay out even more because of the high buying price. So we'll be worse off than now. What a great idea.
And if the fans plan to target sponsors and disrupt matches leads to a fall in revenue then where is the lost money going to be compensated from. I know it won’t be from the dividend payments. It will be from the money spent on wages and new players budget. Then where will this club be. I would rather have these protest be used to get the glazers to agree to fan representation in the board.It’s not up the fans who they sell to, never will be, any plan isn’t relevant unless it suits the Glazers. They don’t engage with fans, don’t care about the club and only think of themselves, that’s never changing.
The club doesn’t have to be burnt to the ground for the Glazers to sell just not so much a walk in the park for them. All you are saying is your happy to avoid the issue of how good new owners will be for how ever long the Glazers decide. In that time how much money will they invest in facilities, how much ambition will they have, none.
And if the fans plan to target sponsors and disrupt matches leads to a fall in revenue then where is the lost money going to be compensated from. I know it won’t be from the dividend payments. It will be from the money spent on wages and new players budget. Then where will this club be. I would rather have these protest be used to get the glazers to agree to fan representation in the board.
If you can't understand that simple sentence then I'm afraid that's on you. It doesn't make me or anyone who thinks like me a troll, no matter how much you want it to.At least make some form of sense of your looking to troll or be original/amusing at least.
If you can't understand that simple sentence then I'm afraid that's on you. It doesn't make me or anyone who thinks like me a troll, no matter how much you want it to.
If all they care about is money then they will extract every single penny from this club before stripping it and selling it off. They will do this before they are forced to sell the club.If there isn’t a financial hit how are you expecting owners who don’t give a shit about fans and have zero interest in any form of engagement with them to go from that to having fans on the board?.
They don’t care about fans, players, staff, winning trophies, all they care about is money that’s only way get their attention.
How are they going to sell the club after they've stripped it? This isn't a car. They are not going to watch a £4bn asset evaporate just to stick it to the fans.If all they care about is money then they will extract every single penny from this club before stripping it and selling it off. They will do this before they are forced to sell the club.
If all they care about is money then they will extract every single penny from this club before stripping it and selling it off. They will do this before they are forced to sell the club.
The better way to go forward is get the government or the premier league to bring in legislation that will force the clubs to bring in fan ownership or any kind of sweeping reform. But the real problem is that the powers that be want the status quo rather than change. They will never force the clubs to accept anything other than securing their paychecks.
Well they can leverage the club to the hilt and refuse to pay the debt. The banks will do the rest by putting the club into administration. That’s only one of the many ways of doing it.How are they going to sell the club after they've stripped it? This isn't a car. They are not going to watch a £4bn asset evaporate just to stick it to the fans.
Well I believe that they are in it for the money. Money can be a huge motivator to be good owners. But if you think that cutting off the revenue for the club is in anyway good for the club then you are mistaken. And it’s a more plausible pipe dream to get them to change rather than hoping the glazers will sell if we devalue the club by disrupting its activities.Why are you saying if all they care about is money, do you think they have any other reason to be involved? . They can’t dismantle the club and then sell it, the value is in Utd being a successful brand. If they sell everything off they devalue it.
The government and Premier League welcomed all these guys in with open arms it’s a pipe dream that either of those two will do anything of any substance. N
Well they can leverage the club to the hilt and refuse to pay the debt. The banks will do the rest by putting the club into administration. That’s only one of the many ways of doing it.
Well I believe that they are in it for the money. Money can be a huge motivator to be good owners. But if you think that cutting off the revenue for the club is in anyway good for the club then you are mistaken. And it’s a more plausible pipe dream to get them to change rather than hoping the glazers will sell if we devalue the club by disrupting its activities.
Listen if the ultimate goal is to get them to become good owners then i am all for it. But i do not think this will achieve it. The way forward imo is that we must ultimately get them to listen to the fans. That will not happen unless there is drastic change in the laws that govern these clubs. And financially hurting the club will achieve nothing but give the glazers a reason not to spend on the club.Getting them to change and become good owners without applying some form of financial pressure isn’t even a pipe dream.
Letting the club go into administration would be self sabotage, the Glazers aren’t going to run the club into the ground it’s a nonsensical argument. What they will do is repeat what they’ve been doing and we can all watch as hundreds of millions of pounds drift away and owners with no ambition or incentive to do anything other than finish in the top four reap the rewards.
Listen if the ultimate goal is to get them to become good owners then i am all for it. But i do not think this will achieve it. The way forward imo is that we must ultimately get them to listen to the fans. That will not happen unless there is drastic change in the laws that govern these clubs. And financially hurting the club will achieve nothing but give the glazers a reason not to spend on the club.
Listen if the ultimate goal is to get them to become good owners then i am all for it. But i do not think this will achieve it. The way forward imo is that we must ultimately get them to listen to the fans. That will not happen unless there is drastic change in the laws that govern these clubs. And financially hurting the club will achieve nothing but give the glazers a reason not to spend on the club.
They have spent £1.4b on player transfers since they arrived here and a net transfer spend of £1b. So to say that they don’t spend any money is being disingenuous. Now you can argue that they haven’t always spent it wisely but that is a different issue altogether.They already don’t spend anything unless they have to, that won’t change either way. Hurting them financially is all fans have and Glazers bank on fact they won’t want to do it.
Imagine the legal battle to try and implement anything that impacts these clubs financially. No Premier League clubs want fan ownership because all the owners lose out then.
I'm all for the protests as long as:
1. It stays within the law
2. Employs a credible strategy for reaching a worthwhile goal
or failing that,
Doesn't cause any damage to the team, for example by getting games cancelled.
If Liverpool gets cancelled again because of a vague conviction that making things difficult is somehow going to cause the Glazers to leave, then I've lost confidence in this thing.
It's not good enough. Show me the strategy that plausibly explains the line from action to result, and I'll listen. But there's precious little indication that there is one, so far. You don't need a convincing strategy to justify protesting, but you do need one to justify campaigning in a way that actually hurts the club in the short run.
Go look up whatever MUST are planning. They have already released the information. No one needs to show you anything, do your research. Obviously fan actions will impact the club, otherwise it’s just standing outside the ground with a placard and the Glazers would be none the wiser, as they don’t care about the fans only the funds.
Joined them a couple of weeks ago. Here's hoping they will achieve the goals that have been set. Will happily support them from now on. Fifteen quid for annual membership and 7.5 quid for membership pack does not seem to be much anyway.Go look up whatever MUST are planning. They have already released the information. No one needs to show you anything, do your research. Obviously fan actions will impact the club, otherwise it’s just standing outside the ground with a placard and the Glazers would be none the wiser, as they don’t care about the fans only the funds.
What, MUSTs aims and priorities on the website? "Consult regularly with our match-going fanbase"? " Engage in regular constructive dialogue with senior club executives"? Can't recall seeing those on placards. And the things you do see on the placards generally aren't in MUSTs stated aims and priorities. So obviously, whatever this is, it's not a MUST operation, or MUST has some sort of strategy for this that isn't known.
Getting results through civic action doesn't just happen. If you want buy-in to things that have a negative cost, then people need to understand how and why that is necessary, and how and why that will bring which results. If they - whoever they are - are asking fans to support or participate in actions that will damage the club, then they need to show how there's a reasonable chance that doing that is going to lead to a result that will be worth the cost. At least in a general sense. If not, they're asking people to damage their club for no gain. If they want the authority to lead, then that's what they need to come up with. Just being angry doesn't cut it.
The fact that it certainly won't happen if you just stand around with placards is no sort of argument that it will happen if you do something different. That's just doing the "politicians syllogism" - 1. We must do something, 2. This is something, 3. Therefore we must do this.
So, a plan please. It doesn't have to 12 pages, just a handful of simple aims, principles and methods that plausibly speaks about how doing certain things will take us somewhere we want to go. Otherwise, this just looks like a bunch of angry people making a stink about something they want but aren't going to get. What they've got going for themselves is that a lot of us are angry about the same things. But again, that's not enough, and if they don't realise that, they're finished before they've begun.
The worst thing they could possibly do at this stage is to ram the cost and collateral damage of their approach down everyone's throats by getting another game cancelled, before they've come up with something credible to justify why they need to do stuff like this and just what it's going to achieve. They'll alienate a lot of the people they need behind them.
Ok here's their objectives as you mustn't be able to open their letter to the Glazers on the home page of the website outlining their objectives!
1. Willingly and openly engage and promote the government initiated fan-led review of football and use this as an opportunity to rebalance the current ownership structure in the favour of supporters
2. Immediately appoint independent directors to the board whose sole purpose is to protect the interest of the club as a football club, not its shareholders
3. Work with the Manchester United Supporters Trust and supporters more broadly to put in place a share scheme that is accessible to all and that has shares with the same voting rights as those held by the Glazer family. Should the appetite be there amongst fans then you should welcome, and offer no opposition to, the Glazer Family shareholding being reduced to a minority or indeed being bought out altogether.
4. Commit to full consultation with season ticket holders on any significant changes to the future of our club, including the competitions we play in
Plus all this stuff that is all on the home page of their website
And together with other clubs and national football supporter groups:
- Establish and develop the new dedicated MUST Suppprter Liaison Officer (SLO) service for match-going members
- Launch and support the new Match Going Membership initiative
- Establish a community screenings and events programme
- Establish a dialogue with Club on stadium redevelopment
- Consult with our away match-going supporters on the case for further review of away ticket allocation policy
- Engage with the club, other fan groups and supporters to identify opportunities to address match atmosphere
- Further develop our new website based on user feedback, including improved regular news and information content
- Consult with our increased new membership base on any key emerging issues and a undertake full opinion survey at the end of the season
- Develop our charitable activity to support the local (Stretford) community and other causes
- Continue our collaborative input to national campaign on Safe Standing
- Provide a collective supporter perspective on the 2019-22 TV Deal (focussing on the impact of potential new live match schedules)
- Pursuing European away match issues with UEFA through our partnership with Fans Europe
- Campaign alongside other supporter groups across Europe for changes to UEFA regulations to prevent any further exploitation of away supporter ticket prices
Now you have all the information that is simple to access on all links are on their home page, just 1 click away......
Let this old man share his wisdom:It’s not going ahead
They are already locking down OT...
