Protest at Old Trafford

red4ever 79 said:
Getting the game postponed is a massive statement from the fans. I cannot imagine all of the sponsors will be happy that the biggest game in English football was cancelled. Money talks and sponsors will be seething at this and the bad publicity. This is the way to get the Glazers out. Hit them where it hurts. Keep going red army. Proud of you
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I know it's likely to make very little difference but am going to either e-mail or leave a message on the Facebook of all our main sponsors asking them if they really want their brand to be associated with a club who doesn't care about it's fans
 
georgipep said:
Which club has spent more than us, other than City? And that's also crazy, considering we should be coming from a position of strength. Weaker clubs must, obviously, spend more to catch-up.


That's just your assumption. How did he buy wingers, strikers and defenders? Did he pay out of his own pocket? Just didn't want to pay for midfielders?


That's just not true. We bought starters every summer almost without exception (Mourinho's last summer probably being the one). You may not like or approve of the players but that's an entirely different point.


This is not a video game. Manchester United are not entitled to get whoever and whatever they want. Players, their agents and other clubs are part of the European football ecosystem and ignoring them is childish. It's not like the club didn't spend a small fortune on players during LvG's reign. If he didn't want them, he could've said "no, thanks, I'd use what I got". He didn't. He sold what he got.


With Pogba, Shaw and Martial being completely destroyed as part of our squad, I don't hold any grudges against the club for not indulging his request for a defender, especially after making it public matter. That's not how you deal with your
employers. The writing was on the wall.


And spending less is a bad thing? First of all, we have not spent less. Just look at our spending and compare to others. You just don't like that we don't spend more and/or buy the players you want. Again, life is not a video game.
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It breathes!
 
duffer said:
There is a UK social media blackout.

The newspaper, radio, TV and website coverage is all going on as normal.

Journalists have the players phone numbers and loads were even at the same hotel yet not a single quote.
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Well yeah, a UK social media blackout would be enough to not hear anything when there is a match due in Manchester. We would only really speak when we are scheduled too, otherwise it serves the managers and players to be quiet up until then.

The only reason Milner/Matic/Mount etc. got to share their views was because of scheduled interviews be it press conferences or post match interviews.
 
croadyman said:
Know he has said some stupid things in the past but clearly Stan can see there is a narrative much like Carragher too
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Yeah, for all the drama these Sky and other major papers started during ESL, there are very journalists who cares about the game and fans. Also people like Stan, Carragher, Neville are more connected with fans and think like fans than these Journalists.
 
Striker10 said:
Have others spent nothing during that time? They bought into success. Sir Alex went a number of years without buying a midfielder. We made statement signings too late. The club had lost the ambition to improve the first 11 and we were left with average squad players for long periods to make up the numbers. There was a lot wrong but look we never got the players LVG wanted. We never backed Jose when he wanted a defender. Ole was obvious as he was a fans fave but also would promote youth further which helps spend less so has appeal to greedy owners.
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Christ what a narrative.
 
cyberman said:
The cut part is up on their website. Apparently it wasnt censorship, ESPN have a history of simply fecking up.
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can you please give the link? i call bulls* if that is what ESPN told, glad it’s trending so people can see
 
clarkydaz said:
do you think anyone would care in New York or China about some streets being blocked off miles from the ground if they still got to watch the Utd Liverpool game? Matchday at Old trafford is the golden goose, the product, what everyone tunes in for
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Well lots of Utd fans in here who live outside the UK care.
 
acrebo said:
I’m fully supportive of the vast majority of protestors yesterday, but wasn’t exactly keen on watching a group of bellends walking around the pitch, Tesco bags & lager cans in hand, kicking footballs about and stealing corner flags. It looked opportunistic, disorganised and chavvy
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Pure Tory brain.
 
acrebo said:
I’m fully supportive of the vast majority of protestors yesterday, but wasn’t exactly keen on watching a group of bellends walking around the pitch, Tesco bags & lager cans in hand, kicking footballs about and stealing corner flags. It looked opportunistic, disorganised and chavvy.

I’d have preferred if those that got on to the pitch had a plan. Maybe a banner to be laid out across the centre circle as they all stood around the pitch in some kind of ‘formation’.

Anyway, I also find it odd that it wasn’t decided yesterday to reschedule the game for today. No reason whatsoever that they couldn’t put in place the required security for it to take place today.
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Agree. This was planned but only so far. As soon as the fans got onto the pitch they just p*ssed about. A huge GLAZEROUT sign with the fans together would've been perfect.

There's usually about 3/5 people in control of protests. There seemed to be zero leader when the fans entered the stadium.
This protest lacked smarts on occasion.
 
duffer said:
Zero comments from any Liverpool or Man United players or managers about this is interesting.

I'm genuinely curious as to what they'll say.
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There's a league wide social media blackout over the weekend. Will probably take a while before they all start posting their PR approved answers.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
I'm sure Joel Glazer is sat in his NYC penthouse, on the blower to the board, blubbing about how they have to sell now because some lad holding a can of red stripe is sat on the crossbar at the Stretford End.
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You’ve really nailed the sentiment and expectation of the protest in just one post and clearly have a brilliant understanding of everything, any fan base would be proud to have you, and so witty as well.
 


They are hoping for it to blow over. They probably think the protests will die down by the start of next season.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
So the only way they would sell is if there wasn't any prestige to owning MUFC? That is soul destroying.
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If the protests don't go away I think they'll reach a point where they question if it's still worth it. They could easily cash in for 4 billion or more. The worry is who they sell to...
 
Tom Van Persie said:


They are hoping for it to blow over. They probably think the protests will die down by the start of next season.
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Source :lol:
They're unlikely to sell because of the financial gains. Doesn't matter if it's Manchester United or Dildo United, the prestige is secondary at best, we're not a sportwashing project
 
Roboc7 said:
You’ve really nailed the sentiment and expectation of the protest in just one post and clearly have a brilliant understanding of everything, any fan base would be proud to have you, and so witty as well.
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You sum up all that is wrong with "fans". Using the support of an institution to excuse loutish and crap behaviour purely because you hate the owners (as we all do).

You'd rather see a visual spectacle you can tweet about rather than actual change. It's empty and it's a waste of time.
 
Tom Van Persie said:


They are hoping for it to blow over. They probably think the protests will die down by the start of next season.
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ESPN - the same lot who just cut Jon Champion off half way through his Glazer rant? They must have a stake in their channel.
 
UncleBob said:
Source :lol:
They're unlikely to sell because of the financial gains. Doesn't matter if it's Manchester United or Dildo United, the prestige is secondary at best, we're not a sportwashing project
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Exactly this.

While a few people are feeling very proud of themselves for yesterday, the reality is that the Glazers didn't lose any money from yesterday at all. It's covid, so no sales were being made, and sponsorship/tv deals were already locked down.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
You sum up all that is wrong with "fans". Using the support of an institution to excuse loutish and crap behaviour purely because you hate the owners (as we all do).

You'd rather see a visual spectacle you can tweet about rather than actual change. It's empty and it's a waste of time.
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Or your the perfect example of someone labelling thousands of people as thugs based on the actions of a minority and patronising why people do it and what they expect.

No one is going to feel sorry for you because you couldn’t watch the game and despite what you think your clearly not better than fans who took some action.

Any one with any sense has criticised those that went too far it’s only certain people like yourself that focus on it and attempt to act all superior.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
If the protests don't go away I think they'll reach a point where they question if it's still worth it. They could easily cash in for 4 billion or more. The worry is who they sell to...
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The lack of people in the world who could trouser that money is one thing, but I also think these protesters are overlooking one small thing with their behaviour.

What owner is going to witness the scenes yesterday, and be more encouraged to get involved?
Unless they plan to come in and literally treat us as their own wild footballing ride and plough insane money in, they'll see that merely owning us, and spending what the Glazers allow each year isn't enough.

Just why would you? Just buy another business and get your profit out of that, or another club that costs say 200million.
 
Has anyone well sourced articles/blogs/statistics about how much money the Glazers paid themselves and how much money has been used to service the debt after the acquisition? How does it compare to other owners (e.g. FSG / Kroenke)?
 
Tom Van Persie said:
If the protests don't go away I think they'll reach a point where they question if it's still worth it. They could easily cash in for 4 billion or more. The worry is who they sell to...
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Can't really say that i share the optimism here..The Yanks are hated, nothing new. Didn't effect sponsorships the last round of major protests (take over) and it's unlikely to have a direct impact on the club this time around. The type of protests like we saw yesterday aren't sustainable in the long run, security and police will be increased and the club could easily risk being docked points + having to forfeit the match if this happens again, and the goodwill towards the protests will quickly turn. We're a cash cow, not a sportwashing project ala PSG, Manchester City etc where bad publicity is unwanted. It's difficult to guess where the breaking point is for the owners, but it seems highly unlikely that it has got anything to do with bad publicity related to how they are making millions..
 
PedroMendez said:
Has anyone well sourced articles/blogs/statistics about how much money the Glazers paid themselves and how much money has been used to service the debt after the acquisition? How does it compare to other owners (e.g. FSG / Kroenke)?
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I reckon that Swiss Ramble bloke would be your best bet. He’s the best writer on football finances I’ve seen.

Here’s a good twitter thread on this topic from him.

 
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