Recency bias. Prime Hazard was unstoppable
Prime Hazard or Prime Salah?
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Salah by a country mile.
Anyone who says Hazard is on 100% certified smack. How can you possibly think that given Salah’s numbers since he’s been there? He’s on a different level to anything Hazard ever reached.
Salah by a mile for me.
We didn't (until after we won it) but apart from Leicester away I can't recall a single point we gained that didn't come from a huge moment from one if not both of the Belgium guys. The last good team performance we had was away to you guys.
I don’t think this is even a debate anymore.
I take it by that you rate Kevin Phillips above Bergkamp and Lampard as the best midfielder of all time?
That’s fair, you’ll remember better than I would. And yeah I do remember the team performances drying out around that time. Sadly I remember the Swansea game vividly
Salah. Hazard was special but blew hot and cold per seasons. Salah has been consistent since Fiorentina in 14/15.
There is no argument.
I actually think Salah wins it due to his CL record.
The argument I'm contesting is people who go down the numbers route, its a beyond stupid argument as the examples I gave above show.
Goals are the ultimate barometer of your contribution to the team. They are both winger/forwards so I’d say it is completely relevant.
So to clarify, you rated Phillips above Bergkamp?
Phillips and Bergkamp have nothing to do with this argument. I’m talking about Salah and Hazard.
It is relevant because based on numbers the former is better so I'm asking if you also rate him higher.
Hazard isn't slightly a better dribbler he is a much better dribbler.
The myth that Hazard was hot and cold and inconsistent continues...
It’s an easy decision. Nothing against Prime Hazard, who was great, but Prime Salah is a different level.
15/16 and 17/18 were below his extremely high standards performance wise.
Was Kevin Phillips a midfielder? The only one I recall was a striker
16/17 - 143.2 minutes per goal / assist (PL only since we weren't in Europe - 3007 minutes)
17/18 - 138.4 minutes per goal / assist (PL + CL - 3044 minutes)
Salah. I was never sold on Hazards off the ball work.
People are going far the other way now Hazard in his prime was incredible, he was a playmaker first and foremost worth remembering but also someone who influenced games with dribbling only second to Messi.
Both footed also, and could score goals, Salah has gone to another level recently which puts him ahead but Hazard was still an incredible player.
Both footed also, and could score goals, Salah has gone to another level recently which puts him ahead but Hazard was still an incredible player.
Stats wise in 17/18 he was consistent but his on the pitch performances were not as good. Correct me if I’m wrong. Who won Chelsea’s Player of the Season in 17/18?
He definitely suffered due to the downgrade from Costa to Morata - Costa was genuinely the only (even borderline) world class player he ever played with in attack during his time at Chelsea. I think it's fair to say he was slightly worse in 17/18 on that basis compared to 16/17, but given his preferred style of play synergy with his teammates is vital and as such I don't think it's correct to say it was overall a below par season.
As to your question, believe Kante won PotS in 17/18 (Hazard won in 16/17 despite Kante being named PFA PotY).
Fair enough, good points made. So technically only 1 bad season amongst many great ones. He was a top top player.
Agreed. All that being said, Salah still edges it for me - his body of work is undeniable. I do think it's closer than many others are implying though personally!
Prime hazard was something else.. simply unstoppable
He is taking about Hazard.
Prime Salah any day of the week. Salah is a machine and can rip apart the very best of defences on his own. Goal monster.
Prime Messi and Ronaldo were far better than prime Hazard and Salah - that's my point.
I don't think anyone has said otherwise.
Some of the posts do say so if you care to read them.
I think prime Man United Ronaldo was no better than Salah is now. Prime Real Madrid Ronaldo was another level.
At this point, even going by bias of recent performances you have to go with Salah. It is hardly a question whether he could do it on a cold wet Thursday in Stoke. The guy destroys the minnows and the big teams equally for fun. A poll would be pretty good to see where people's perceptions lie.
Fancy that. A player who rips through defences on his own....
Hazard is only 30 year old and he can't even get a game in Real Madrid and looks like he is finished, just like Alexis Sanchez at 30. Salad is 29 and is playing at the highest level at the moment.
Sure, but Salah was playing in the Swiss League when Hazard arrived in PL.
He is clearly a late bloomer.
Because football is not just about numbers.
Late bloomer is indeed correct.