The only one similar, and close to as effective as Messi on that list is prime Hazard. And that's not to besmudge the abilities of the others (Aguero? aside).
Neymar and Ronaldinho are the closest to Messi in dribbling.
I am going to go ahead and lock in Messi, Ronaldinho and Neymar for the first three slots.
Then we have a pool of Zidane, Iniesta, Robben, Ribery, Hazard, Aguero, Figo... I don't know, I think it is a maybe
Who are the 5 players that will definitely undebateably be better than Salah in EPL historySalah could potentially finish his career as the best Premier League player ever? That is an outrageous statement and genuinely made me laugh when I read it! He's definitely a memorable Premier League player but best Premier League player ever? He is and will remain nowhere near that distinction.
Salah without goals is still his team Liverpool highest assist providerGoals 'can' win you games. You only need 38 to win every game in a season. What ensures that you win consistently is dominating your opposition. Players like Hazard, Messi, David Silva, Iniesta regardless of their output ensure that their teams dominate games through control and create more chances. Salah without goals, like Haaland without goals, offers very little.
The question is now that what value does dribbling without end product in goals and assists have in footballSome fellas here are having a hard time understanding what levels mean.
Nobody is saying that Salah is a one-touch stats pad merchant; it's just that Hazard is a top 5 dribbler of this century. It's perfectly possible to have some nice skills and yet be far from the best.
A typical Messi dribbling run is progressive and results in a goal or assists like Neymar and Ronaldinho. Hazard seems like he does it to entertain firstNeymar and Ronaldinho are the closest to Messi in dribbling.
Tbf, Micah Richards said it.Some fellas here are having a hard time understanding what levels mean.
Nobody is saying that Salah is a one-touch stats pad merchant; it's just that Hazard is a top 5 dribbler of this century. It's perfectly possible to have some nice skills and yet be far from the best.
Really?The question is now that what value does dribbling without end product in goals and assists have in football
Weird remark...The players with more dribbles at this point in the current season not being world class proves that dribbling isn't important?Google the best dribblers in Europe in 2023 and see how many of them are playing for or desired by top clubs
Below is the result for 2023
https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...gues-la-liga-serie-a-bundesliga-ligue-premier
Most of these players played in a midfield 3 unlike Hazard who played in a front 3 (Attack) your metrics when in attack is goals and assistsReally?
Opening spaces for other teammates, retaining the ball when the opposing team is pressing or you need to gain time, getting your team out of a situation of danger and putting them in a attack situation...all these are pointless?
You basically think that players like Zidane, Iniesta, David Silva or Bernardo Silva are nothing?
Weird remark...The players with more dribbles at this point in the current season not being world class proves that dribbling isn't important?
Firstly, I don't think that sheer number of dribbles completed are the best way to evaluated dribbling quality. I'm sure that Zaha or other pacey wingers has better stats than someone like Iniesta, just because they play in a much safer zone to attempt and more space than in more central areas(though I think that the best of the best, like Messi and Hazard, will combine both, quality and high numbers).
Secondly, why didn't you use the last season numbers instead of current's, which isn't even halfway?
https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...europe-premier-league-la-liga-ligue-1-2022-23
Also, the "best chance creators" of this season(it's from September 18th, just like the list you posted)
https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/chance-creators-2023-24-top-10-europe-top-leagues
https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/chance-creators-2023-24-top-10-europe-top-leagues
Who are the 5 players that will definitely undebateably be better than Salah in EPL history
I'm assuming that you've put Shearer and Lampard in there purely because of the numbers they consistently produced...if so, you've countered your own argument as Salah's numbers are amazing.Off the top of my head there's Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Shearer, Cantona, Ronaldo, Henry, Rooney, Lampard, Ferdinand, Terry, Vidic. There are many better players who spent time in the league but just for a less time. All of the players mentioned are easily better than Salah.
Hazard is better than everyone in that second group, dribbling wise he’s up in the first group.
Really?
Opening spaces for other teammates, retaining the ball when the opposing team is pressing or you need to gain time, getting your team out of a situation of danger and putting them in a attack situation...all these are pointless?
You basically think that players like Zidane, Iniesta, David Silva or Bernardo Silva are nothing?
Weird remark...The players with more dribbles at this point in the current season not being world class proves that dribbling isn't important?
Firstly, I don't think that sheer number of dribbles completed are the best way to evaluated dribbling quality. I'm sure that Zaha or other pacey wingers has better stats than someone like Iniesta, just because they play in a much safer zone to attempt and more space than in more central areas(though I think that the best of the best, like Messi and Hazard, will combine both, quality and high numbers).
Secondly, why didn't you use the last season numbers instead of current's, which isn't even halfway?
https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...europe-premier-league-la-liga-ligue-1-2022-23
Also, the "best chance creators" of this season(it's from September 18th, just like the list you posted)
https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/chance-creators-2023-24-top-10-europe-top-leagues
Neymar and Ronaldinho are the closest to Messi in dribbling.
That's weird considering the absolute hammerings he has inflicted on you.Playing against prime Hazard scared the hell out of me. An absolute nightmare. As great as Salah is, he never struck fear like Hazard did.
That's weird considering the absolute hammerings he has inflicted on you.
good postI would choose Salah
Due to his goalscoring qualities, Salah is more versatile and would fit into different schemes. Hazard is one of the greatest dribblers of recent years, but as he didn't score many goals, he would need a good goalscorer on his side.
This debate needs to be put to bed.
Lovely as hazard was to watch as a dribbler, the numbers tell the cold hard truth.
We’re now heading towards a Salah vs Henry debate.
This debate needs to be put to bed.
Lovely as hazard was to watch as a dribbler, the numbers tell the cold hard truth.
We’re now heading towards a Salah vs Henry debate.
If I'm not mistaken no one has had 20G and 20A in a PL season other than Henry.
This debate needs to be put to bed.
Lovely as hazard was to watch as a dribbler, the numbers tell the cold hard truth.
We’re now heading towards a Salah vs Henry debate.
Easily Henry.We’re now heading towards a Salah vs Henry debate.
Just to name some from United I prefer Ronaldo, Cantona and Rooney anytime.
After all Salah was only instrumental with Liverpool for one covid league.
Not much of a contribution or carrying the team on his own.
Doesn't convince me.He was also instrumental in another 97 point season and a 92 point season, which in any other era easily could have been title wins. For reference, I don't think Henry ever achieved even a 92 point season with Arsenal, let alone a 97 point season.
Doesn't convince me.
Yep, Henry still edges him overall numbers and quality wise but it's a bloody good achievement to even be in the debate.
Henry has 255 goal contributions in 258 PL games.
Salah has 221 goal contributions in 238 PL games.
