You honestly can’t think of a time when a ball has hit someone’s knee, then arm, and because the arm stayed in its original spot (rather than clearly moved towards the ball!), a penalty wasn’t given? It’s not about having your hands behind your back. It’s keeping your hands where they were. Or in other words it’s about movement not positions.
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You honestly can’t think of a time when a ball has hit someone’s knee, then arm, and because the arm stayed in its original spot (rather than clearly moved towards the ball!), a penalty wasn’t given? It’s not about having your hands behind your back. It’s keeping your hands where they were. Or in other words it’s about movement not positions.
That's the weird bit, he looks to have sent him off for the part of events that James shouldn't really be blamed for.
The ref gave both players a free pass. Salah calmed down with that free pass. Mendy went full dumdum.
Hopefully we see another 4 or 5 yellows before the match is up. Each.
Same here in the states, but its expected
Stand up.
Pretend a ball is coming to your knee.
Make an instinctive movement with your srm
If your arm moves like James' did, book yourself in with the doctors.....
Chelsea looking good, they had some really great chances but made the wrong choices with the final ball. Regardless how this ends, they're defo the ones to watch this season.
So he's just going to make that decision from a still image without judging context or intent at all?
He got the context in live time. Intent doesn’t matter.
I think people should stop looking at the incident in super slow motion. No way he could react that quickly after the ball had bounced up from his leg, it was all one movement in a split second. It only hit the arm because it had hit his leg first.
If the penalty was given for the second movement after the ball had hit the arm already, then it is not a red card because there wasn´t a goal scoring opportunity any more. For me, it is a clear mistake.
If the penalty was given for the second movement after the ball had hit the arm already, then it is not a red card because there wasn´t a goal scoring opportunity any more. For me, it is a clear mistake.
Don't think the arm movement was deliberate. Looks worse on slow motion.
If ref gave the penalty, then it was denying a goal scoring opportunity, so it is a red. Anytime you handle the ball on the line it is a red card, when other penalty offences aren't.
Did the "ghost goal" happen at Anfield too?
When I've rewatched it the ball hits his hand and he's falling backwards, and his arm moves forward for balancing and he doesn't even touch the ball with his arm after the initial contact.
Its a natural movement and even if it wasn't he missed the ball with the so-called 'scoop'
Can anyone think of example where a handball on the line wasn't a red card?
As far as I'm aware once the penalty is given it had to be a red because he denied them a goal. If people are arguing that shouldn't be the rule then that's fine, but is anyone actually arguing that isn't the rule?
As far as I'm aware once the penalty is given it had to be a red because he denied them a goal. If people are arguing that shouldn't be the rule then that's fine, but is anyone actually arguing that isn't the rule?
In a still that's a pen and a red.
In a slo mo that's probably a pen and a red.
I wish broadcasters show us the real time footage too. It can be hard to coordinate and readjust body movements in a split second.
In a slo mo that's probably a pen and a red.
I wish broadcasters show us the real time footage too. It can be hard to coordinate and readjust body movements in a split second.
Makes no difference. It was a foul, therefore a penalty and a red card for the type of offence.
You're spot on here.
Disgusting from Chelsea surrounding the ref too. Should have been more booked for me.
He went to kick the ball away out of frustration and Henderson ran in like an idiot.
FFS read the posts some times. You're a wum.
I stand corrected. Would make more sense to have the distinction in my opinion.
It is a pen, but you cannot determine a red card on the basis of a still frame. Even if it was intentional, which I don't for a second concede it was, a referee cannot prove intention from a still frame, and consequently cannot make a determination on the basis of it either. A still frame can prove the ball has touched his hand, but it cannot account for split second movement, original body position or even direction of movement of the arm just prior to that still frame without an actual video replay.
I never like to see players sent off for handballs unless they're massively deliberate. This one sort of was, the way he scooped his arm at the end, but it also looked more like a brainfart than a Suarez-esque lob. A penalty and a yellow would have sufficed but it's a hard call and I reckon Liverpool got the home team advantage.
If a sin bin ever came in, I'd like to see it for moments like that.
If a sin bin ever came in, I'd like to see it for moments like that.
How is the referee supposed to reach an accurate decision based on seeing one still picture of a hand on the ball? Penalty is the right call in my view but I don’t think James made a deliberate decision to handle it, so red card is harsh.
Harvey Elliot is not ready for Premier League football.
Yes, apparently wouldn’t have been given elsewhere. Just the red and penalty then
If he doesn't make a move with his arm then it couldn't be handball, as its via a deflection and it's in a natural position.
It's the swinging of the arm which makes it the offence.
I think it's definitely a pen and the way the rules are it has to be a red although it's one of the situations I feel it shouldn't be.
Hope it gets really tasty now with 4 more red cards.
messed up a couple of times in attack where he could have put the attacker through for an opportunity at goal. Chelsea should have been 2-0 up prior to the Pen incident
These Chelsea players all look the same to me. I can only tell Lukaku and Azpilicueta apart because of Lukaku's trademark pointing.
Mo Salah could get Mrs Taylor onto the pitch and bend her over in the penalty box and he'd only gesture for him to get up.
Liverpool fans really will applaud anything.
Yeah totally. Sorry I misunderstood originally.
It can only be a red if it’s a penalty. The rules are ambiguous. Intent doesn’t come into it. You might want different rules but as they are, if you think it was a penalty, then you are telling the ref it’s a red too.
He scoops after its hit his arm, it's a reaction to something hitting it. He wasn't scooping and hit it during the scoop.
Not deliberate for me. Neville talking out his arse as usual on sky sports.
You can't. Stetching to the right like that your arm is going to be somewhere to your side. Players are superhumans to instantly get their hands to disappear
None of what you said matters. If it’s a pen it’s denying a goal scoring opportunity. That’s the rule.
That blonde Chelsea player is really distracting to watch