Has Redknapp lent Carragher his aging years?
Premier League - Gameweek 15
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Not quite as bad, and at least ours are more spaced out.
Their owner has overseen unprecedented levels of spending over such a short time, even versus us and City.
Still...if it stops Liverpool we'll take it.
Nice rant but I'm not talking about his personality. I'm talking about his laziness off the ball and general lack of application.
So he had a good game. We'll see how long it lasts.
His laziness was on show ball watching next to Son, watching him make an easy tap-in. Leading up to the corner Porro walked past him like he was a cone. So same as usual. Sometimes does something good, hardly makes an effort off the ball and can't last 90 minutes.
Let’s be honest: without Cole Palmer, Chelsea would be half the team they are. The rest of their signings are mostly average to shite.
Throw enough shit, some of it will stick.
Throw enough shit, some of it will stick.
But, they managed to pay a pittance for Palmer, mostly funded by the sale of Mason Mount. What an absolute win.
Can someone explain how Chelsea have spent so much on players and not breached FFP/PSR rules?
Funny that. People was saying the same about Liverpool and Salah before. What happened to one man can’t make a team. We had Ronaldo but he couldn’t do it all alone.
Spoken like someone who doesn’t watch us much clearly. Some of the defenders and the starting keeper have been “mostly average to shite,” but most everyone else has been amazing this season and were the second half of last season too.
Caicedo, Cucu, Madueke, Sancho, Gusto, Jackson, Neto, Enzo, Lavia. These players have been fanatastic.
Last season you could make a legitimate point about us being super Cole Palmer dependent. But this season everyone is playing well. I’d argue that Caicedo and Cucu in particular have been the best in their positions in the league through 15 matches.
The second penalty decision was poor, Palmer made no attempt to play the ball and simply stepped into Sarr's way. Sarr was attempting to get the ball by going around Palmer but Palmer stepped infront of him and fell. Shouldn't have been given.
Just a random thought, not worthy of a new thread:
Do United and most other teams score goals from long spells of possession anymore? Not necessarily talking about 50 passes before the goal, but something where the ball is being passed around in midfield, goes wide, goes in, goal.
Looking at highlights, most goals seem to be from pressing or counter-attacking, 3-4 passes from start to finish. Even Hojlund's goal yesterday, which started from possession from the CBs like possession goals can, was based on 3 quick vertical passes that took out Forest's midfield, not on slowly building up.
Maybe it's just memory but 2018 City used to do a lot of this, camped in the opposition half, under- and over-lapping runs, and finally a cutback or a KdB cross.
Do United and most other teams score goals from long spells of possession anymore? Not necessarily talking about 50 passes before the goal, but something where the ball is being passed around in midfield, goes wide, goes in, goal.
Looking at highlights, most goals seem to be from pressing or counter-attacking, 3-4 passes from start to finish. Even Hojlund's goal yesterday, which started from possession from the CBs like possession goals can, was based on 3 quick vertical passes that took out Forest's midfield, not on slowly building up.
Maybe it's just memory but 2018 City used to do a lot of this, camped in the opposition half, under- and over-lapping runs, and finally a cutback or a KdB cross.
Signing players to huge length contracts and apportioning the fees over those years.
So say Mudryk is £10m a year on the books for 9 years rather than 90m in one go.
It's high risk as means they need to shift players our each year to counter it and they'll inevitably have to put huge payoffs in for some of the big flops.
Really? Lavia, Caicedo, Gusto, Jackson have been very good in the games I’ve seen. Go as far as as saying Caicedo is one of the best CMs in the prem right now.
I mean, he is irrational.
I'm not sure if it's because United are so pony, but this era feels a really rubbish time in the history of the game.
Get 11 very fit players analyse stats and numbers to death in the background, rush around the pitch hassling people into errors and gifting many goals from mad over passing at the back.
Haha, irrational by name….
Has that loophole been closed now? Could United do it?
Yeah. I'm watching football less, so this is just based on some highlights, but it does seem everything revolves around pressing and big mistakes at the back.
It depends on being good at selling players, which United aren't as a rule.
We'd end up with 7 or 8 Antonys knowing our luck and not be able to get rid, while they're sat there on 200k a week for all that time.
100% challengers. I doubted these players especially Caicedo but he’s been one of the best CMs in the league. Nailed on for top four easily.
Ah, maybe best to steer clear then knowing our track record.
Palmer had already taken multiple touches and controlled the ball, what on earth are you talking about?
That's not the point, Palmer's movement was in no way meant to play/control the ball but rather just come in front of Sarr, who was trying to intercept the ball by going around him. If Sarr was running straight into Palmer then it would be a different issue, but he clearly was trying to beside him and Palmer moved across.
Yeah that specific movement wasn't to control the ball because he had it under control already - he feinted and Sarr kicked him.
In what world is this not a penalty? Not even Spurs fans are trying to peddle this nonsense.
He didn't feint, he saw Sarr and jumped into his way. It was a deliberate attempt to win a penalty rather than play the ball.
He's not allowed to protect the ball any more? What an utterly bizarre hill to die on. He took two touches, shielded the ball to retain possession as he'd been forced wide, and was kicked square in the calf and run through by Sarr. It's indisputably a penalty.
Don't think I've seen a game with 7 badly defended goals as were scored in the Spurs / Chelsea.
Players making stupid mistakes, just letting people dribble past them and hanging a leg out to block shots and crosses. Not to mention to the stupid tackles for the penalties.
Caicedo and Kulusevski were very lucky to stay on the pitch.
Players making stupid mistakes, just letting people dribble past them and hanging a leg out to block shots and crosses. Not to mention to the stupid tackles for the penalties.
Caicedo and Kulusevski were very lucky to stay on the pitch.
It's all a bit samey, that's my issue.
Go back 15 years ago and there was far more variety. O.k plenty hated the Stoke style and anyone big Sam was managing but those styles were a test for the top teams. Was also a better style to keep you up than what the likes of Burnley and Southampton have attempted.
At least the mid table clubs are now signing decent players rather than wasting endless money on past it players (QPR from years back) so the middle of the league is much tougher not to get points off.
Maybe because they are playing trully good from great since some time? Specially Caicedo since almost the start of the season and Enzo since his divorce and the Captain ambard looks like the Benfica version. Both BTW are still pretty much kids
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Seeing that Chelsea have found themselves with probably the best squad in the league, all with an age profile of mid-20s or lower, I think other clubs will definitely try to replicate that model.
What I also wonder is how Chelsea keep attracting so many of these players. Say you're a young, talented winger or central midfielder and Chelsea are interested. Do they ever consider that there are about half a dozen players in their position, all probably as good as him on their day?! I guess if you dangle enough money in front of a player, that's enough of an incentive to sign!
Don't think anyone would agree that they've got the best squad?
Palmer is a top quality player, a lot of the rest are very debatable.
I think we very clearly have the best collection of central midfielders and attacking midfielders in the league.
That said "best squad" depends on how much you are weighting top end talent - I do think though that it's probably fair to say we have the deepest squad in the league at least.
Apart from Caicedo your CM options are really weak. Arsenal, Liverpool and City's are all comfortably clear.
...what? Enzo and Lavia are weak?
I wouldn't even consider swapping our top 3 CMs with any other team in the league's.
Enzo is absolute shite, and Lavia’s decent but nothing special at all
Caicedo is top class, Lavia is looking good but hes barely had 30 games at a truly top level, i think you wouldn't be able to make assessments about him being a top class midfielder till next season at the earliest. Enzo we'll have to wait and see, he has a great profile but again he hasn't put in a season of great performances in the PL.
Where's the white text?
Neither would we and probably Arsenal as well, and City when Rodri and KDB are fit.
Yours might be the most promising based on age but it's certainly not the best in the league. Haven't even shown it over the course of a full season, neither as a midfield together nor individually apart from Caicedo.
I'd have no worries at playing Chelsea any time soon, whereas I'd probably consider games v Arsenal, Liverpool and City write offs to get out with as little a smashfest as possible.
That said, as 2 of those 3 seem well off it this year, we're relying on Chelsea to stop Liverpool!
That said, as 2 of those 3 seem well off it this year, we're relying on Chelsea to stop Liverpool!
It's fair to nitpick - but I don't see a 3rd choice CM anywhere in the league who's as good as Lavia.
KdB is washed though and City's midfield offers the resistance of a wet paper bag. Rodri is obviously ridiculous and the best CM in the world, but Kovacic and Gudogan are hardly lighting the world afire.