So are they scouting better kids or are they just coached better?
Premier League Gameweek 12
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Probably a combination of both? Chelsea have devoted huge amounts of resources to the youth setup, scouting, coaching, etc. Also being in London is a huge advantage in terms of local talent.
It's not really just scouting as CHO, Tomori, Mount, Tammy and RLC have been at the club since they are 7 or 8. It's a decade of good, consistent coaching.
The Chelsea youth are trusted to do a simple task, playing at their natural position, and play as one of 11 other footballers trying to outscore the other team.
Our youth are expected to pull miracles and becomes the next Messiah
Our youth are expected to pull miracles and becomes the next Messiah
The amount of times they dominated the Youth Cup probably shows that.
Newcastle have equalised against Bournemouth. Yedlin.
Probably , imo we have improved in that lately. That being said, we can't blame the loan system, the players need to step up as well. Adnan managed to get a loan at Dortmund, an excellent opportunity that he never took. Lingard is awful now, but even he had a good loan and was decent for a while. On the clubs part, we have to look at a good club with a good coaching staff and a stable environment, then the player needs to impress from then on.
That's true but it's also rapidly becoming apparent that Lampard is a talented manager.
Think there is a lot of 'I've made it' mentality with some of our players as well.
LVG during an interview said that players coming out of United s academy were inferior to those at Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea.
Burnley now 2-0 up.
Another VAR fiasco in the Burnley game for those keeping track. Seems like more and more people are beginning to realise that it's not working in its current form, wonder when the Premier League will.
Just fire Pellegrini.
Rashford is on his fifth season in the league so I'm not sure if he can be fairly compared to any of our youngsters. (He's still obviously very young too, though he really hasn't improved as much as I was expecting to, but I digress). Greenwood being better than our lot is strange because that's like me saying the same about Gilmour. He hasn't even had a debut in the league, has he?
Wood has now scored Burnley's second and it is a Dwight McNeil assist. 2-0.
Didn't realize Sheffield defend so well
Best proof about this is when you look at the Chelsea players who weren't playing as well under Sarri, specially Jorginho and Kovacic
West Ham, no wins in 6 since beating us 2-0
Not really, about Greenwood it is absurd currently, but you can absolutely argue about Rashford. It is absurd to say that there cannot be an argument.
As for Greenwood, he is class but also very young. Was Abraham playing for you at 18 ?? What was his record then ?? You can like your talent and rate them highly, but you are also being obviously biased as well.
Then that has to change.
If youre gonna be like that tammys already matched rashfords best ever season and will smash it out the park. So much for being a class above.
We're a jinx.
Sure it is not.
.Oh I 100% am being biased of course. Greenwood looks a class talent, but he probably needs to go on loan to develop further - this is such a key phase for any player's development and shouldn't be squandered. Abraham wasn't playing for us at 18 but this was to his benefit. CHO, however, is playing at 18.
Dortmund who were better than us and had absolutely no intention of giving a loan player regular game time was the exact opposite of an excellent opportunity. It was complete stupidity and a move we should have put our foot down on and refused. Chelsea's loans work because they send them to weaker clubs who actually intend on starting them.
There was, hope that is being corrected now. Our weak squad and lack of any great quality and depth does not help. I mean, right now there is not much that they have to do to get games, as even our numbers are thin.
They need to ditch the line drawing bullshit, as it isn't clear and obvious if you need to start pulling your high school geometry out of your ass, and the benefit should just go to the attacker in such marginal calls.
Maybe, but there were reports that Adnan never really settled in, nor took things seriously while there apparently.
For me the solution to VAR is to just get rid of slow motion and freeze frames. If a mistake is obvious enough to be seen at normal speed then call it back. Not only would this eliminate the nonsensical margin of error, it would also presumably speed the whole process up significantly.
When did he say this?
He constantly talked about how great united was while there. It's irrelevant anyway. He shouldn't have been there in the first place and it was anything but a great opportunity. It was complete stupidity to agree to send him there.
Some weeks ago.
Amazing it didn't reach the caf.
Yeah, this time is important. Of course, players develop at different rates though. Some take more time, some settle quick. I think as long as they are not injury prone, then that is good.
He made a couple of appearances at 18 for Chelsea and then went on loan to Bristol where he scored 23 goals in the championship.
Think Dier should be off. Happy with that half, wonder which spurs will turn up in the second half though.
Absolutely true, and it's also important to ensure the clubs have a good working relationship. It's been a bit of a joke at times (e.g. Cobham Arnheim) but Chelsea's partnership with Vitesse has been of huge benefit overall.
Not really, he had an opportunity to learn and train with some very good players and manager, and should have taken that opportunity to improve instead of sulking. And IIRC, then the player himself wanted to go there and did not want to go to a lower level.