Its another case of a half thought up rule by the powers that be, not accounting for the ref actually missing the ball and tackling the man. I'd be furious if that was against us, especially after the offside. I genuinely think refs are getting worse and struggling to keep up with the modern game more. Tough day but you guys have been more than holding your own in the prem so far, you must be really pleased with your season despite today.
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Its another case of a half thought up rule by the powers that be, not accounting for the ref actually missing the ball and tackling the man. I'd be furious if that was against us, especially after the offside. I genuinely think refs are getting worse and struggling to keep up with the modern game more. Tough day but you guys have been more than holding your own in the prem so far, you must be really pleased with your season despite today.
Wait the ref told them van Dijk was too far from the goal?
wtf
I thought that Coady really handled himself well in this interview considering that he must have been absolutely fuming on the inside, he has had yet another quality season so far and looks like he has real leadership skills so cannot understand why he hasn't yet been called up by England.
I am expecting a really tough test from Wolves in the FA Cup next Saturday because they have shown today that they can still play some really decent stuff even in the most hostile away ground in the premier league and were very unlucky indeed not to get anything out of the game. They also rarely seem to get injuries to their main players which is a real testament to their medical team and never seem to get hammered even if they are playing some of the best teams in the league.
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More than pleased, just feels unjust especially as it more than likely means 2 defeats on the bounce for us with Liverpool away next
The law deffo needs changing.
The ref may not have touched the ball but he definitely interfered with play and prevented the player controlling the ball.
In our last 4 PL games, we have scored 10 conceded none. Gomez has stepped up brilliantly.
Yeah you just knew the minute motormouth scouse loving Tyler started talking about how good this result was for Arteta it was going to come back to haunt him, then like you say they put that stat up about not losing at the emirates when leading at half time since 2010 v Spurs. Absolutely gutted we aren't within 1/2 pts of the top 4 but it is what it is and proof we can't rely on other teams to help us out.
What I find most worrying is that Chelsea lost at home to West Ham, Bournemouth & Southampton this month and we were only able to punish one of those defeats due to our own lack of consistency in getting results. I just wonder if they had their winter blip then and we are going to pay for not punishing them more when we had the chance.
I think you meant VAR has stepped up brilliantly for you guys.
I'm pretty sure none of the current refs have actually played football, they just apply their rules without any basic level of common sense. A ref doesn't to touch the ball in order to interfere with play, whoever wrote the rule in the first place is a fecking idiot if he didn't think to include a situation like this. So potentially a ref could trip the last defending player of a team and award the goal scored by their opponent. fecking madness
You really dislike KanteApparently, hyperbole doesn't exist in your world
You can carry on pretending Kante is good on the ball if that makes you feel better. I'll leave you to your fantasies.
I think he's a very good player. A world class ball winner. But he's a ball winner. Pretending otherwise don't make it so.You really dislike Kante
Still think there is nothing between he and Herrera as players?
Move those posts mate. Don't want to discuss Kantes technical ability anymore? I wouldn't either. Not after using Kante being in Sarri's team as proof he's good on the ball, despite Sarri stating Kante isn't technically good enough to play in his position. Whoops!Still think there is nothing between he and Herrera as players?
Imagine getting this upset because someone pointed out something plainly obvious to anyone without bias. If you want to have a constructive conversation on it then fair enough, if not cry somewhere else. Bye
You got me wrong, I am not a scouser, but I do watch almost all premier league games, so in general I know about some of those VAR/referee situations/decisions.
Just had to happen to us, plenty of var controversy this season
Definitely not upset or crying, just amusedMove those posts mate. Don't want to discuss Kantes technical ability anymore? I wouldn't either. Not after using Kante being in Sarri's team as proof he's good on the ball, despite Sarri stating Kante isn't technically good enough to play in his position. Whoops!
Imagine getting this upset because someone pointed out something plainly obvious to anyone without bias. If you want to have a constructive conversation on it then fair enough, if not cry somewhere else. Bye
You have an odd habit of making up things others said. It was never going to be a constructive conversation when you claim he's "shite" on the ball and then pretend an imaginary poster claimed he's good on the ball (arbitrary comparison to Jorginho and Pirlo). Your original claim was he was "shite" and "not decent" which is complete nonsense to anyone who even barely watches Kante.
No amount of laughing faces will cover that up mate. Clearly this has upset you.Definitely not upset or crying, just amused
You have an odd habit of making up things others said. It was never going to be a constructive conversation when you claim he's "shite" on the ball and then pretend an imaginary poster claimed he's good on the ball (arbitrary comparison to Jorginho and Pirlo). Your original claim was he was "shite" and "not decent" which is complete nonsense to anyone who even barely watches Kante.
I haven't compared him to Jorginho. You seem to have this off habit of making things up others have said. You can file that next to 'anyone who is worse than Pirlo is shite on the ball.'
But yes, he is shite on the ball. You're very clearly easily impressed by anyone that can play a four yard pass.
How do you mean? VAR didn’t impact our results against Watford, Brighton or Leicester. Even yesterday it made the right calls for Mane’s goal & the Wolves offside. We had a similar goal ruled out because Mane’s armpit was offside against Watford.
Then why bring up Sarri playing Jorginho in a role you think Kante is vying for to make a point about his technical ability? You seem incapable of even follow along with the stuff you write.
And you have to neck to talk about constructive conversations
Amused.
Is there some stats about expected points without VAR? I am sure Liverpool would fall like a rock then in terms of points.
Of course since they have won it all pretty much they will always have less points with alternative measures.
Although the biggest errors is that VAR has not gone against them when they have broken the law a lot of times.
Of course since they have won it all pretty much they will always have less points with alternative measures.
Although the biggest errors is that VAR has not gone against them when they have broken the law a lot of times.
Wow, you really are bad at this, aren't you? You're basically dripping in hypocrisy.Then why bring up Sarri playing Jorginho in a role you think Kante is vying for to make a point about his technical ability? You seem incapable of even follow along with the stuff you write.
And you have to neck to talk about constructive conversations
Amused.
I said he was moved out of central midfield when you used his playing under Sarri as proof, despite Sarri openly questioning Kantes ability on the ball (whoops). I think you'll find you were the first person to bring him up in this thread. Try using the search button. Who's incapable of following the stuff they write?
unreal.Did you not say/insinuate he was moved from the middle of the park (replaced by Joringho) because Sarri thinks he's "shite" on the ball? Doesn't matter who brought it up ffs.Wow, you really are bad at this, aren't you? You're basically dripping in hypocrisy.
I said he was moved out of central midfield when you used his playing under Sarri as proof, despite Sarri openly questioning Kantes ability on the ball (whoops). I think you'll find you were the first person to bring him up in this thread. Try using the search button. Who's incapable of following the stuff they write?
Wait, what? Kante has always been a central midfielder, even under Sarri, just not a holding midfielder (they played in a midfield 3). What on earth are you talking about? Sarri questioned his ability to play as holding midfielder in his system but admitted he was one of the most important midfielders on the team countless time.
I just realized you actually think Kante isn't a central midfielder. Blimey.
EDIT: I also just realized you think he didn't play as central midfielder under Sarri which is even more bizarre. You telling us he was a winger?
I've heard some ridiculous things on the Caf but this takes the cake.No I didn't. You did exactly what you continually claimed I was doing, and puts words into my mouth. I said he was moved from the middle because Sarri didn't trust his ability on the ball for a midfielder. It's unbelievable you can't see the irony in all this. You brought Jorginho up for a second time and now I've pointed out to you your error, it doesn't matter any more. You understand we can all follow this conversation back, right?
He moved him from a central/defensive role to an attacking midfielder role. Are you seriously going to pivot (yet again) to a discussion on semantics?
This is getting a little sad bud. You've turned this into a personal thing because you've become weirdly upset I don't rate Kante on the ball. You've continually claimed I've put 'words in your mouth,' ignoring the overwhelming hypocrisy on your part in all this. I mean, in your previous post you've literally accused me of not being capable of following what I've written, bringing up Jorginho. I've pointed out to you this was you and not me and now it doesn't matter. So it's only important when you think I'm doing it, but not you? Wow. Still, let's move this on to the next poorly constructed insult, hey? Let's discuss semantics! You're having a mare.
I’ve watched a lot of Chelsea this and Jorginho is miles better than Kante on the ball. It’s not just about passing per se, it’s that Jorginho makes it his business to always be available to receive the ball and take responsibility. I think Kante is pretty average in the middle of the park if you don’t play him as a ball winner.
There is although I suspect you’ll take issue with that, there was a table going round a few weeks ago a VAR table, showing who had benefitted most from VAR decisions. Ours was neutral as far as I can recall, we’d be in the same position, yours was a net positive near the top, Wolves I think were near the bottom.
End of the day I think we can all agree VAR needs work, it is the future though.
Again you have the neck to talk about semantics yet harp on not bringing up Jorginho? Yes, I brought him and you insinuated (is that more precise for you?) he plays in that position because Kante is "shite on the ball". That's a comparison even though you didn't bring him up first. I shouldn't have to quote your posts. You know what you meant
He wasn't moved to an attacking midfield role. He was moved further up the pitch (box to box instead of holding). It's almost as if you paid no attention to his positioning or you don't know what an attacking midfielder is. Kante always played centrally for Sarri (4-3-3 IIRC). I can't believe this is even a debate.
It's never personal even if you would like to think so. You're an anonymous screen name on the internet and conversing with you has taken, max, 5-10 minutes away from my time. So I'm gravy. However, I believe what your saying is completely false so I'm addressing it. That's how internet forums generally work. We both know what you insinuated about Jorginho even though you bizarrely refuse to admit it (I mean it's clear from the posts). That's a bit different from claiming Kante is "shite" or "not decent" on the ball and then claiming I said he's good (when I clearly said he's decent). I hope this helped you follow along.
I'm having a mare yet you think Kante was an attacking midfielder.
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Edit: It's all a bit silly anyway
1) We do have VAR so what's the point?
2) Goals change games and attacking/defensive intent from that point on so just removing the VAR decisions in no way lets us know how games actually would have ended up.VAR awards a team a penalty and they equalise then they go on to settle for a point - if it hadn't they'd have still been pushing for the equaliser and may have got it anyway, we just don't know. That kind of thing.
But, just for a bit of fun I suppose there's your table. They do it every week on that site by the looks of it.
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Sure but claiming he's "shite" or "not decent" on the ball is not true if you watch Chelsea. For the record, I never said he was good. @ivaldo is just incapable of having a nuanced opinion of Kante.
Sheesh.
I think lack of VAR was against us at times like against Everton so they will not count that at all. Although we have gained some pens from VAR. Against City would be the most recent one, but it was a clear one.
The one against Spurs might have been with VAR too or that they at least looked at it.
If you are on the same spot it is wrong I think. You gained a pen against Leicester with it and that is points gained. Or did the ref give it before VAR(I personally think it was a pen by the way). Then against Palace you gained points from VAR. Then yesterday too. Although against us I guess you had a handball against you so that would give some gains.
I do not remember all obvious offsides they used it for, but they may count here too.
Oh look. A discussion about semantics.Again you have the neck to talk about semantics harp on not bringing up Jorginho? Yes, I brought him and you insinuated (is that more precise for you?) he plays in that position because Kante is "shite on the ball". That's a comparison even though you didn't bring him up first. I shouldn't have to quote your posts. You know what you meant
He wasn't moved to an attacking midfield role. He was moved further up the pitch (box to box instead of holding). It's almost as if you paid no attention to his positioning or you don't know what an attacking midfielder is. Kante always played centrally for Sarri (4-3-3 IIRC). I can't believe this is even a debate.
It's never personal even if you would like to think so. You're an anonymous screen name on the internet and conversing with you has taken, max, 5-10 minutes away from my time. So I'm gravy. However, I believe what your saying is completely false so I'm addressing it. That's how internet forums generally work. We both know what you insinuated about Jorginho even though you bizarrely refuse to admit it (I mean it's clear from the posts). That's a bit different from claiming Kante is "shite" or "not decent" on the ball and then claiming I said he's good (when I clearly said he's decent). I hope this helped you follow along.
I'm having a mare yet you think Kante was an attacking midfielder.
this is hopeless. I'm not going to continue this ridiculous argument with you. I've got too many points conversing with people that flagrantly ignore the numerous times they're proven to wrong, just to bump heads about something completely unrelated to the original point. Just look. You're still rambling on about this Jorginho thing. I said Kante was moved out of the middle. You brought up the reason why was because he was replaced by Jorginho because he suited his system better. Not me, you. I've pointed this out to you on numerous occasions but you just can't accept you're wrong. You could clear this up with a simple quote. You won't though because you can't. Make enough noise and no one will notice, right? You're just going to soldier on, irrespective of how many times I prove you wrong. Moving from one petty point to another. Go annoy someone else. I won't respond again. Feel free to have the last word.Bingo.
Are you sure you know what semantics are? Claiming Kante is an attacking midfielder is not semantics. It's just plain incorrect. I don't think I can put it any plainer.Oh look. A discussion about semantics.
Confusing post. If you look back on your posts you'll see deviated from the main point (Kante is shite/not decent on the ball), by falsing claiming an imaginary poster said he was good on the ball (straw man).
You are well within your rights to rage quit but what did you actually prove?
Four Matches live on NBCSN on New Years Day.
1. Brighton v Chelsea
2. Southampton v Spurs
3.City v Everton
4. Arsenal v United.
1. Brighton v Chelsea
2. Southampton v Spurs
3.City v Everton
4. Arsenal v United.
Feel like shite, hoping watching football all day will make me feel better.
I think Brighton can win this. They have played pretty good recently and they managed to rotate the team too and got more rest.
Mooy has been finding some form, but might be tired now.
Mooy has been finding some form, but might be tired now.
Attacking side from Burnley. Maybe should watch that game instead . Although Villa with 5 defenders and they might play very defensivly.
. Although Villa with 5 defenders and they might play very defensivly.Clash of the Clarets
BT commentator - "where better to be at the start of a new decade than in Sussex". Almost anywhere.
Deserved lead for Chelsea