Potential Matic Replacements

[beingshe7don]

and how would we get that ball you so much want us to be playing? Think the other team would get bored playing and just pass it to us?
Citeh - Fernandinho
Spurs - Dier
Chelsea - Kante
Arsenal - Xhaka
Liverpool - Fabinho
United - Nah we dont need it

You do realize that De Jong has played at CB for Ajax and his position is that of a deep lying playmaker. So as my previous statement, De Jong and Pereira can both do the job when rotated.

Fernandinho: City are looking to have him replaced with De Jong
Chelsea: Kante is played ahead these days...with Jorginho (Deep lying playmaker) who plays behind him and spraying the passes. Fred can perform in a similar fashion as Kante
Liverpool: Fabinho hasn't been played. He's looked frustrated being on the bench.

With a pressing game from Fred, Pogba and our forwards, it puts the opposition in a position to make a mistake and lose possession. And that's how we should be planning on playing if that answers your question. None of the teams you mentioned depend on those players alone to break up play. Football has evolved... so should you

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Why are saying he's a "villiain"? You dont think a tall powerful midfield can work?

You are the one suggesting that using tall powerful players makes someone a villain (I assume thats what you meant) not me. So thats a very weird comment.

Its not working for us right now, at least not in the way we'd expect it to work with the players overpowering smaller ones and us scoring from set pieces. But that doesnt mean it wont work with new players added to it. I think its obvious we're going to still get more players for midfield with Matic and Fellaini at their ages.

I'm simply saying that in his 3 seasons here Mourinho has already shown us what he values and wants from his midfield. There are no signs of that including a small creative player. The closest would be this summer when we bought a small player, but he doesnt start. Mourinho also hyped up another small player, but for some reason wanted to use him as a DM where he's never been used before. He was quickly dropped too.

Now if those players were playing regularly then we can see that Mourinho is perfectly happy to move away from the land of giants midfield he has been using. But the small players have been dropped, when Andreas didnt do anything the rest of the team werent doing and Fred was dropped when he finally had a good game. Meanwhile Matic plays regardless of how poorly he performs. It very much looks like if Andreas or Fred are going to actually play they need to do a lot more than a tall player like Matic is doing. That once again shows what Mourinho values in his midfield.

You started off with "The only chance of Mourinho signing a creative player in midfield (and actually starting him unlike Fred) is Milenkovic-Savic because he's also physical" which is a baseless claim cos he has started Fred in 50% (6 of our 12) PL games so far.

Fred hasn't start more games is more likely due to his performance not being up to the level desired, still adapting to Pl and England, or he doesnt fit into scheme employed in those games.

But for you its about having a tall powerful midfield not picking the best midfield you have at your disposal. When same manager has worked with shorter players like Deco, makelele, Ozil, Diarra etc

We have a lot of tall midfielders, many inherited by Jose. There is no way he picks the midfield without picking tall players.

 

[Ekeke]

You started off with "The only chance of Mourinho signing a creative player in midfield (and actually starting him unlike Fred) is Milenkovic-Savic because he's also physical" which is a baseless claim cos he has started Fred in 50% (6 of our 12) PL games so far.

Fred hasn't start more games is more likely due to his performance not being up to the level desired, still adapting to Pl and England, or he doesnt fit into scheme employed in those games.

But for you its about having a tall powerful midfield not picking the best midfield you have at your disposal. When same manager has worked with shorter players like Deco, makelele, Ozil, Diarra etc

We have a lot of tall midfielders, many inherited by Jose. There is no way he picks the midfield without picking tall players.

Yes Fred has played when its not an important match. If you want to fantasize about an expensive small midfield playmaker who plays half our matches and misses the big ones then be my guest. That sounds like something we'd do tbh.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

You do realize that De Jong has played at CB for Ajax and his position is that of a deep lying playmaker. So as my previous statement, De Jong and Pereira can both do the job when rotated.

Fernandinho: City are looking to have him replaced with De Jong
Chelsea: Kante is played ahead these days...with Jorginho (Deep lying playmaker) who plays behind him and spraying the passes. Fred can perform in a similar fashion as Kante
Liverpool: Fabinho hasn't been played. He's looked frustrated being on the bench.

With a pressing game from Fred, Pogba and our forwards, it puts the opposition in a position to make a mistake and lose possession. And that's how we should be planning on playing if that answers your question. None of the teams you mentioned depend on those players alone to break up play. Football has evolved... so should you

There in comes the assumption,

Do you think those guys have the work rate and discipline to press all game and not get carded for making rash challenges? FYI Pereira, Pogba and Fred currently have the highest fouling rate in our squad and that is with them not required to press. Relying on them for pressing would lead to more fouls, cards and potentially being sent off.

Fred is no Kante cos Kante is a great ball winner. Fabinho and Henderson play similar roles for Liverpool, and Pogba doesnt have the work rate of Milner

Citeh replacing Fernandinho is due to his age than style of play. Pep has shown that he would replace any player, even the GKs to suit his style. they might bring De Jong in but one cannot predict what changes they would make to accommodate him or if he would be successful playing for them.

Bottom line, current roster doesnt support your proposal

 

[Mcking]

There in comes the assumption,

Do you think those guys have the work rate and discipline to press all game and not get carded for making rash challenges? FYI Pereira, Pogba and Fred currently have the highest fouling rate in our squad and that is with them not required to press. Relying on them for pressing would lead to more fouls, cards and potentially being sent off.

Fred is no Kante cos Kante is a great ball winner. Fabinho and Henderson play similar roles for Liverpool, and Pogba doesnt have the work rate of Milner

Citeh replacing Fernandinho is due to his age than style of play. Pep has shown that he would replace any player, even the GKs to suit his style. they might bring De Jong in but one cannot predict what changes they would make to accommodate him or if he would be successful playing for them.

Bottom line, current roster doesnt support your proposal

The City midgets are the masters at commiting fouls and they usually get away with them. Why do they commit much fouls? Because they always want the ball. Fellaini and Matic are okay with the opposition having the ball; might be because they are too scared of having it or because they are passive and doesn't have the pace to catch up with actual midfielders or because this team don't actually know what to do when the opposition have the ball - except putting every man behind the ball, which is so 2010.
Matic and Fellaini are the epitome of our passivity.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

The City midgets are the masters at commiting fouls and they usually get away with them. Why do they commit much fouls? Because they always want the ball. Fellaini and Matic are okay with the opposition having the ball; might be because they are too scared of having it or because they are passive and doesn't have the pace to catch up with actual midfielders or because this team don't actually know what to do when the opposition have the ball - except putting every man behind the ball, which is so 2010.
Matic and Fellaini are the epitome of our passivity.

and relevance of this?

 

[Smores]

The idea that Jose only plays tall midfielders is so far past reality i don't know how people genuinely keep trotting out that ridiculous line.

 

[Mcking]

and relevance of this?

That Fred, Pereira might lack discipline because they commit fouls? They are just active, mobile midfielders that want the ball.

 

[Vanya]

Its the type of midfielder he has collected and picked at United consistently over his time here, not somewhere else 5 years ago

Thats 24 starts in the league in CM and DM positions for players over 6'1 this season

9 for players under 6'1. Despite us spending over £50 million on a CM that is under 6'1.


Last season it would be 72 games for players over 6'1 in CM in the league alone. 13 for CMs under 6'1 - all those games being Ander.

Pogba also had 2 games behind the striker on top.

Its very clear what Mourinho is trying to do with our midfield and what he feels is important. It doesnt matter if you dont like it. He hasnt just turned up and not had a transfer window to adjust his midfield options. He's been here for 5 transfer windows and we've spent a lot on that midfield - £188 million.

He clearly wants a tall and powerful midfield. Not Luka Modric.

I don't think your narrative fits what's actually happening at the club. It's also clear that you want to ignore Mourinho's past teams because they don't fit your narrative.

The 188m you talk of is spent between Fred and Pogba. One is not a 6 feet tall player and the other is one of the best players in the world in his position, would walk into most starting XIs in the world and therefore his height is irrelevant.

You must have also ignored that Fred and Andreas combined have more appreances than Fellaini and as many as Matic. You also ignore the fact that he started the season playing Periera at a playmaking 6 position but he failed defensively. You also ignore the fact that he tried to sign Kante to play that role next to Pogba but Kante chose Chelsea.

If Mourinho's could have Kante over Matic he would happily take it. The same applies to Modric in place of Mc Tominay. Fellaini is a very important plan B and can be so for any team. Van Gaal who has a completely different philosophy to Mourinho also used him. But he's only that, a plan B.

I'm not going to list all the possible evidences because your assertion itself doesn't deserve more of my time. I don't intend to be rude but to suggest that a manager decides his starting midfielders week in week out according of their tallness is one of the most naiive things I've read on this forum.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

That Fred, Pereira might lack discipline because they commit fouls? They are just active, mobile midfielders that want the ball.

We play a different scheme from Citeh who press and foul if needed to win the possession in the opposition 3rd.

Still, there is nothing wrong with wanting the ball, if you can win it often enough without committing the foul. Committing fouls often when trying to win the ball simply shows you are poor at doing so.

 

[Mcking]

We play a different scheme from Citeh who press and foul if needed to win the possession in the opposition 3rd.

Still, there is nothing wrong with wanting the ball, if you can win it often enough without committing the foul. Committing fouls often when trying to win the ball simply shows you are poor at doing so.

It shows aggression more than anything.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

It shows aggression more than anything.

Aggression? i am really at a loss how you got to that point.

is Kante aggressive?

 

[Mcking]

Aggression? i am really at a loss how you got to that point.

is Kante aggressive?

He is definitely not passive, and he is probably the best at winning the ball in the league.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

He is definitely not passive, and he is probably the best at winning the ball in the league.

and his fouling rate is less than our trio.

Still dont see why you think fouling is more a reflection of aggression and not an inability to win the cleanly.

A high fouling rate from your midfielders is just bad

 

[cheeky_backheel]

He is definitely not passive, and he is probably the best at winning the ball in the league.

and his fouling rate is less than our trio.

Still dont see why you think fouling is more a reflection of aggression and not an inability to win the cleanly.

A high fouling rate from your midfielders is just bad

 

[Mcking]

and his fouling rate is less than our trio.

Still dont see why you think fouling is more a reflection of aggression and not an inability to win the cleanly.

A high fouling rate from your midfielders is just bad

Fernandinho pretty much holds the fort alone for City, but his fouling rate is more than that of two of our trio. He is yet to get sent off this season too, picking up just two yellows. You should also know that fouls are not only commited when trying to win tackles.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Fernandinho pretty much holds the fort alone for City, but his fouling rate is more than that of two of our trio. He is yet to get sent off this season too, picking up just two yellows. You should also know that fouls are not only commited when trying to win tackles.

OK so what were those guys doing to have such a high fouling rate if not trying to win the ball?

 

[Mcking]

OK so what were those guys doing to have such a high fouling rate if not trying to win the ball?

Going in too hard, aerial duels, putting pressure, disrupting the opposition's play, all these play a big part in skewing the fouling stats. High rate of fouling does not just show a bad tackler or indiscipline, it shows aggression and style.
Murray being around the top for fouls shows what I mean.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Going in too hard, aerial duels, putting pressure, disrupting the opposition's play, all these play a big part in skewing the fouling stats. High rate of fouling does not just show a bad tackler or indiscipline, it shows aggression and style.
Murray being around the top for fouls shows what I mean.

But aren't those the things you do when you are trying to win the ball?

Never said they were bad tacklers or indisciplined

 

[Mcking]

But aren't those the things you do when you are trying to win the ball?

Not always, and conceding fouls in those situations does not mean you are a bad tackler.

Never said they were bad tacklers or indisciplined

You did, indirectly. They might well be bad at tackling, but you alluded to amount of fouls conceded and fouls barely prove anything when it comes to tackling.
It shows aggression over passivity more than any other thing.

 

[Ekeke]

I don't think your narrative fits what's actually happening at the club. It's also clear that you want to ignore Mourinho's past teams because they don't fit your narrative.

The 188m you talk of is spent between Fred and Pogba. One is not a 6 feet tall player and the other is one of the best players in the world in his position, would walk into most starting XIs in the world and therefore his height is irrelevant.

You must have also ignored that Fred and Andreas combined have more appreances than Fellaini and as many as Matic. You also ignore the fact that he started the season playing Periera at a playmaking 6 position but he failed defensively. You also ignore the fact that he tried to sign Kante to play that role next to Pogba but Kante chose Chelsea.

If Mourinho's could have Kante over Matic he would happily take it. The same applies to Modric in place of Mc Tominay. Fellaini is a very important plan B and can be so for any team. Van Gaal who has a completely different philosophy to Mourinho also used him. But he's only that, a plan B.

I'm not going to list all the possible evidences because your assertion itself doesn't deserve more of my time. I don't intend to be rude but to suggest that a manager decides his starting midfielders week in week out according of their tallness is one of the most naiive things I've read on this forum.

I want to ignore Mourinho's past clubs because they were 5 years or more ago and not the 3 years he's been at the club where he's doing things completely differently.

How the hell do you know Mourinho would prefer Kante over Matic? We tried to buy one the other we didnt.

You aren't Jose Mourinho, you don't get to make shit up and say its his opinion. Look at the patterns of how he's actually done things at the club. Thats reasonable assumption based on his history here. Giving your own opinion and saying its Mourinho's is being a dumbass.

 

[goin4glory]

I want to ignore Mourinho's past clubs because they were 5 years or more ago and not the 3 years he's been at the club where he's doing things completely differently.

How the hell do you know Mourinho would prefer Kante over Matic? We tried to buy one the other we didnt.

You aren't Jose Mourinho, you don't get to make shit up and say its his opinion. Look at the patterns of how he's actually done things at the club. Thats reasonable assumption based on his history here. Giving your own opinion and saying its Mourinho's is being a dumbass.

1) Mourinho tried to sign Kante for us.
2) It was Mourinho who signed Modric for Madrid.
3) Mourinho signed Fred

I can keep going back further and listing guys who he signed or loved that don't fit your narrative.

 

[Ekeke]

1) Mourinho tried to sign Kante for us.
2) It was Mourinho who signed Modric for Madrid.
3) Mourinho signed Fred

I can keep going back further and listing guys who he signed or loved that don't fit your narrative.

We didnt bid for Kante. Mourinho signed Modric for a different club over 5 years ago. Fred doesnt start for us

 

[Johan07]

1) Mourinho tried to sign Kante for us.
2) It was Mourinho who signed Modric for Madrid.
3) Mourinho signed Fred

I can keep going back further and listing guys who he signed or loved that don't fit your narrative.

I am with #Ekeke on this one. No fecking way Mourinho would play Kante in front of Matic at #6 in our current setup. Kante together with Matic in a double pivot; maybe.
Why are people referring to what players Mourinho might or not have fancied years ago in a completely different team? Its not relevant. We started the game against City with Fellaini at #6 and played Matic at #8 on the left. If that does not tell you something about what type of player Mourinho prefers at CM you are being delusional.

 

[Ekeke]

I am with #Ekeke on this one. No fecking way Mourinho would play Kante in front of Matic at #6 in our current setup. Kante together with Matic in a double pivot; maybe.
Why are people referring to what players Mourinho might or not have fancied years ago in a completely different team? Its not relevant. We started the game against City with Fellaini at #6 and played Matic at #8 on the left. If that does not tell you something about what type of player Mourinho prefers at CM you are being delusional.

Correct. And like I said a few posts ago, I'm not saying we won't sign another smaller CM who has playmaking ability for an expensive amount of money. But I am saying that player wont play every week and wont start the big matches. Mourinho at United likes to go as solid as possible with the land of the giants in those matches and tries to nick the points. And its worked a decent amount of the time. Not all the time, but enough that he's probably going to continue to believe in his way and even if we the fans disagree with it he's unlikely to radically change from it unless it stops working at all.

Someone like Milenkovic-Savic could fit into that gameplan because he's as physical and large as he is skillful and creative. A small playmaker would not fit into that gameplan and would either be coming off the bench or missing that match and getting their gametime in easier matches.

Now personally of course I'd much rather we built a technical side like a lot of the top teams. But my bias towards that style should have no effect on what I've seen during Mourinho's time here and what we can reasonably expect him to do based on his choices during 2.5 years at United.

And neither should my personal bias towards that technical style mean that I completely disregard Mourinho's clear idea of having power and size in midfield as being something that might eventually work. With more investment in those types of players and maybe it would only take 1 more, maybe we'd see something completely different in matches like the previous City match. Where the gameplan looked to be having solid CMs in there to try and track and cancel out the Silvas starting from CM but becoming extra #10s.

When we watch the match it looks like it was a world away from working. But what if we sign 1 more powerful CM and next time we look better organized and prepared and come out on top. It still wouldnt be the technical midfield I'd prefer to see but if it got the results and led to us winning leagues and champions leagues then I'd be stupid to dismiss it. Because there is more than 1 way to do things. Mourinho and myself just seem to disagree on how to do those things.

And the only thing I'd say on top of that i, the more we invest the higher the bar is set. Last season we were second, we didnt spend as much as some other teams so at this point its probably fair to say we should be aiming for 3rd from our current position if theres no investment in Jan.

But If we do sign another expensive physical type midfielder, whenever that is then it needs to be with a view of winning a big prize. And as long as a league title or champions league comes from it then it doesnt really matter that I'd have prefered another type of midfielder. Because it worked and it got the end results

 

[Canagel]

1) Mourinho tried to sign Kante for us.
2) It was Mourinho who signed Modric for Madrid.
3) Mourinho signed Fred

I can keep going back further and listing guys who he signed or loved that don't fit your narrative.

1) who said?
2) modric was voted the worst signing in 2012/13
3) he doesn't use him.

 

[Johan07]

1) who said?
2) modric was voted the worst signing in 2012/13
3) he doesn't use him.

Yep. Mourinho tried to use Modric as his #10. Did not work out at all and he pretty much benched Modric when that did not go according to plan. If we are going to be historically correct....

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Not always, and conceding fouls in those situations does not mean you are a bad tackler.


You did, indirectly. They might well be bad at tackling, but you alluded to amount of fouls conceded and fouls barely prove anything when it comes to tackling.
It shows aggression over passivity more than any other thing.

All I have said is that they are not good at winning the ball cos even fouling by itself ensures the opposition retains possession.

The references to tackles and aggression were all by you.

Feel free to re read the entire exchange

 

[Mcking]

All I have said is that they are not good at winning the ball cos even fouling by itself ensures the opposition retains possession.

The references to tackles and aggression were all by you.

Feel free to re read the entire exchange

I think you should do that too.

 

[Devil may care]

Depends on how we want to play. But I think we need two kinds of players alongside Pogba.

A destroyer who can also pass the ball (Kante/Casemeiro) and a playmaker who doesn't shirk his defensive responsibilities (modric, de Jong). We need specialists for both positions. In this regard its a bit strange that we bought Fred because it seems he can't fullfil either of those roles to perfection.

A temporary fix could be to try Herrera or Fred at the 6 position because we need money to spend on more critical positions (CB, RW)

I agree with this, we don't have the pieces at all bar Pogba, not for a really good midfield 3 set-up. We need either a DLP like Neves and a disciplined box to box like Allan or Brozovic, or we need a player like de Jong and a true ball winning disciplined DM in the mold of Casemiro and Fernandinho

 

[Ander herrera the warrior]

I agree with this, we don't have the pieces at all bar Pogba, not for a really good midfield 3 set-up. We need either a DLP like Neves and a disciplined box to box like Allan or Brozovic, or we need a player like de Jong and a true ball winning disciplined DM in the mold of Casemiro and Fernandinho

We bought Fred to do the box to box role and we should give him more time to settle down. I agree we should buy Ruben Neves. We need a deep lying playmaker badly.

 

[goin4glory]

We didnt bid for Kante. Mourinho signed Modric for a different club over 5 years ago. Fred doesnt start for us

We did bid for Kante he said so himself. https://www.skysports.com/football/...d-attempted-to-sign-him-prior-to-chelsea-move

If someone is going to claim that Mourinho only wants tall players then it's perfecty justified to look at all the CMs he's signed unless they want to change the argument and claim he's had some grand change of heart of how he likes to play football since joining United.

How does Fabregas work for your narrative? Is he tall and aggressive?

I am with #Ekeke on this one. No fecking way Mourinho would play Kante in front of Matic at #6 in our current setup. Kante together with Matic in a double pivot; maybe.
Why are people referring to what players Mourinho might or not have fancied years ago in a completely different team? Its not relevant. We started the game against City with Fellaini at #6 and played Matic at #8 on the left. If that does not tell you something about what type of player Mourinho prefers at CM you are being delusional.

As shown above he tried to sign Kante. He also signed Modric for Madrid, Fabregas for Chelsea, Fred for us etc

1) who said?
2) modric was voted the worst signing in 2012/13
3) he doesn't use him.

1) Kante, see above link.
2) Yes all those voters really proved Mourinho wrong, I bet they all wish they could go back and time and get the 35m they paid for him, total waste of money.
3) He's only signed him. And there's a long list of small technical CM's he's signed in the past, Modric and Fabregas being the most recent.

Yep. Mourinho tried to use Modric as his #10. Did not work out at all and he pretty much benched Modric when that did not go according to plan. If we are going to be historically correct....

Modric was played as CM, it's incredible how some posters will completely rewrite history to suit them. He was an incredible signing for Madrid and Mourinho deserves credit.

 

[Vanya]

I want to ignore Mourinho's past clubs because they were 5 years or more ago and not the 3 years he's been at the club where he's doing things completely differently.

How the hell do you know Mourinho would prefer Kante over Matic? We tried to buy one the other we didnt.

You aren't Jose Mourinho, you don't get to make shit up and say its his opinion. Look at the patterns of how he's actually done things at the club. Thats reasonable assumption based on his history here. Giving your own opinion and saying its Mourinho's is being a dumbass.

His last club job was Chelsea which wasnt 5 yrs ago. He also bought Fabregas less than 5 yrs ago.

Theres also enough evidence out there to prove that Mourinho wanted to sign Kante, if you'd only bothered to look for it.

Thats why i believe that im not making things up. Its you who's making things up to fit your unrealistic narrative.

I wont bother replying next time because im convinced im not talking to a very bright human being.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

His last club job was Chelsea which wasnt 5 yrs ago. He also bought Fabregas less than 5 yrs ago.

Theres also enough evidence out there to prove that Mourinho wanted to sign Kante, if you'd only bothered to look for it.

Thats why i believe that im not making things up. Its you who's making things up to fit your unrealistic narrative.

I wont bother replying next time because im convinced im not talking to a very bright human being.

You can ignore him but there is no need for comments like that

 

[Sereques]

1.5 seasons in when we expect him to still be settling in, we are talking of replacements. This is my problem with 29 & 30 yr olds quick fix that Mourinho seems to love and most fans support. Imagine having 3-4 players like him in the squad.

 

[Ekeke]

You can ignore him but there is no need for comments like that

Dont worry about it

 

[Ekeke]

We did bid for Kante he said so himself. https://www.skysports.com/football/...d-attempted-to-sign-him-prior-to-Chelsea-move

If someone is going to claim that Mourinho only wants tall players then it's perfecty justified to look at all the CMs he's signed unless they want to change the argument and claim he's had some grand change of heart of how he likes to play football since joining United.

How does Fabregas work for your narrative? Is he tall and aggressive?

I havent seen those comments before, so thankyou for linking them. I tend to believe players when they say things like this so clearly we did try to sign him. I'm surprised the fee didnt increase with our interest but perhaps the deal was already almost finalized or something.

Yes I do believe Mourinho has changed since his time at Madrid. But not enough that he cant still be successful as he showed at Chelsea.

I'm looking at what Mourinho is doing at United because hes been here a long time by Mourinho's standards - he's normally moved on from a club at this point. At United he clearly values size and athleticism in our midfield.

And sorry to say but we have no idea what would have happened had Kante signed for us. Would he have been a mainstay in the side or would he play half the matches like Fred, nobody knows.

 

[Negan]

Jorginho would have been the perfect replacement for Carrick.

Now? It’s got to be Neves for me. With a nod to the likes of Doucoure, Gueye and Seri who I think would all do well here.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

1.5 seasons in when we expect him to still be settling in, we are talking of replacements. This is my problem with 29 & 30 yr olds quick fix that Mourinho seems to love and most fans support. Imagine having 3-4 players like him in the squad.

But Mourinho signed Ozil, Di Maria, Varane, salah etc when they were very young. Even Matic was 25yrs when he resigned him for Chelsea.

The notion that Mourinho only wants older players is just false. What he wants are proven

Of course there are situations where you might

 

[Vanya]

You can ignore him but there is no need for comments like that

He explicitly called me a dumbass. Maybe you missed that.