Potential English Targets

khoazany said:
The problem is with the new proposal,you have to be at the country for 3 years from 15-18 years old to be counted as homegrown so Januzaj Pereira Rafael won't be counted.
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Shit, didn't knew that. Fair point then. Anyway, it is 5 years from now so I guess we can get some good young players, or even poach Pogba-like from outside of England.

Out of curiosity, how old were Januzaj and Pereira when they joined us? I guess 16.

Are the rules definitive?
 
Šjor Bepo said:
no its not obvious, Hughes regularly play very good for U21 just like Redmond....the other comment is laughable, but lets not go there because its pointless as i posted in my first post that i think Hughes is the most talented youngster and not the best one, there is a big difference.

@khoazany we will agree to disagree, time will tell :) as for the other players you mentioned, only watched Roberts(Fulham) and he is very good, would take him without even thinking about it. As for other young players, the kid from Arsenal looks brilliant, Dan Crowley.
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No he doesnt. He's had a couple of good matches
 
Assuming Evans and Rafael leave (they're the most likely imo) we need to replace those.

Does Lingard count as homegrown? He did well in preseason untill his injury and did well on loan too. I think he will get his chance next season. Clyne could replace Rafael, when we still have Valencia too. Haven't seen that much of him though so I'm not sure about him.
 
NL Max said:
Assuming Evans and Rafael leave (they're the most likely imo) we need to replace those.

Does Lingard count as homegrown? He did well in preseason untill his injury and did well on loan too. I think he will get his chance next season. Clyne could replace Rafael, when we still have Valencia too. Haven't seen that much of him though so I'm not sure about him.
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Sure. But he is already 22 and has a single appearance (in the league) for United when he played for 20 minutes or so. He'll make a good career on Championship or for a team on EPL which fights the relegation, but he won't play for us (regularly) in the future.
 
Revan said:
Shit, didn't knew that. Fair point then. Anyway, it is 5 years from now so I guess we can get some good young players, or even poach Pogba-like from outside of England.

Out of curiosity, how old were Januzaj and Pereira when they joined us? I guess 16.

Are the rules definitive?
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It's just proposal but I don't think it will be accepted.Though probably they will still manage to increase the number of homegrown players required.Even if they increase to 12 we wouldn't have any problem as long as they don't change the criteria of homegrown player with the likes of Januzaj,McNair,Pereira and Fosu-Mensah around (all joined at 16).

The problem with the new criteria of homegrown rule (stay 3 years at England from 15-18) is you can only sign foreign youngsters at 16 or above so it basically exclude every one of them.
 
We'll always be okay in filling out any homegrown quota because of our academy, we're nothing like City or Chelsea who may well have to reconsider their transfer policy.
 
khoazany said:
It's just proposal but I don't think it will be accepted.Though probably they will still manage to increase the number of homegrown players required.Even if they increase to 12 we wouldn't have any problem as long as they don't change the criteria of homegrown player with the likes of Januzaj,McNair,Pereira and Fosu-Mensah around (all joined at 16).

The problem with the new criteria of homegrown rule (stay 3 years at England from 15-18) is you can only sign foreign youngsters at 16 or above so it basically exclude every one of them.
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I think that was the point.
 
khoazany said:
The problem with the new criteria of homegrown rule (stay 3 years at England from 15-18) is you can only sign foreign youngsters at 16 or above so it basically exclude every one of them.
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Players can move before 16 if they move for "non-footballing" reasons. Clubs have gotten around it in the past by moving the entire family and giving a job to one of the parents. The kid is then free to join the academy.
 
simonhch said:
Players can move before 16 if they move for "non-footballing" reasons. Clubs have gotten around it in the past by moving the entire family and giving a job to one of the parents. The kid is then free to join the academy.
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You can't do it for too many kids otherwise see Barca.We (United) have some foreign kids younger than 16 in the academy but I don't know whether we circumvented the rule or they just happened to have their family moved to England.
 
Came across a new english 'talent' yesterday, 17 year old Joe Gomez of Charlton. Been tipped to be a good player.

Anyone know much about him?
 
Revan said:
I think that it is dead cert that he'll become the best sportsman ever, with a hige shot on being the best human ever.
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There have only been a handful of great PL 8s, and Barkley is young and more talented than some of the others. It isn't unreasonable that he could be the best. You're attempt to belittle is probably misplaced on this occasion.
 
Sterling is the only one currently of real quality. I sure hope we stay away from Barkley. Stones would be pointless, and Clyne should only be purchased if we're 100% willing to sell Rafael and we seek him because he's English. Kane should be a target if he can prove his worth again next season. Everyone else is pointless or has better alternates around Europe.

I'd honestly rather see us promote youth talents than sign players for the sake of them being English.
 
Rozay said:
There have only been a handful of great PL 8s, and Barkley is young and more talented than some of the others. It isn't unreasonable that he could be the best. You're attempt to belittle is probably misplaced on this occasion.
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If you're WUMing then fair play to you. Otherwise, that post will get quoted on Mental Football posts.
 
Barkley is as raw as it gets. There are so many better dynamic ball carrying midfielders with far better end product and statistical output.
 
Rozay said:
There have only been a handful of great PL 8s, and Barkley is young and more talented than some of the others. It isn't unreasonable that he could be the best. You're attempt to belittle is probably misplaced on this occasion.
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You've got to be joking.

The only thing Barkey has to his game is running with the ball. And more often than not it's rather pointless because he has no clue what to do with it.

DWelbz19 said:
Barkley is as raw as it gets.
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Agreed. He has talent but there's a LOT to his game that needs working on.
 
Clyne, that's it. Obviously Kane but he won't be available.

Unsure about barkley.

And then that Sterling discussion...would love to sign him only to weaken them and show some muscles ;-)
 
Kane and Sterling look good enough to fit into any Premier League side, but both are unrealistic,
Clyne, Stones look to become solid performers and are more obtainable,
Barkley I personally think will develop into a very good player, but his price would be unrealisitc to his current performance value.
Ings, Berahino may be worth a punt,

I've started to watch Berahino a little since hes been linked with us a few weeks back, I must say I'm pleasently surprised, he looks to have a bit of quality about him even when he doesnt get on the scoresheet.
 
John Stones is the best English talent around at the moment. I honestly believe he is the biggest cert out of them all to become truly world class, even over Sterling.
 
Barkley is obviously very talented but he could equally end up as a Taraabt as he could a GerraRd. Would be a big gamble for whoever pays the fee Everton would want.
 
If we can get one of Kane, Barkley, JWP I'd be very satisfied. I'd take them in this order.. and my dark horse is Luke Garbutt in case Shaw turn out to be a new Bale..
 
I wouldn't go signing English players just for the hell of it but English players we should be interested in are:

Barkley, Sterling, Stones, Clyne and Berahino. Maybe Ward-Prowse too, albeit he could do with at least another year at Southampton.
 
Stones and Sterling. Harry Kane too if he keeps it up next season. That's basically it tbh.

Not convinced with Barkley or Clyne at all.
 
sun_tzu said:
I do think he will long term be a better 8 than 10
As for you're comparisons I actually think he reminds me more of a stronger fabregas but yes there is obviously that driving through aspect of his game that is similar to Toure (which is probably why he is so often linked to city as a replacement / successor)
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If Barkley could pass the ball or had any positional awareness then these Fabregas/Toure comparisons would make a bit more sense. As it is, he's a typical English blood and guts midfielder
 
Not the right thread but just to nail this Barkley stuff. LVG has talked a lot about not wanting players running with the ball - particularly in midfield. It happens to be Barkleys strength....no chance our manager would want him.
 
Invictus said:
Yup, I really like John Stones too. He has the cool Rio Ferdinand type of demeanor about him, very quick of foot, fancy on the ball and reportedly has a sound head on his shoulders. And Harry Kane, of course. He has the chance to be something truly special if he keeps developing and adding new tricks to his armory. Would actually love to see them turn out in a United shirt. However, in fairness to them, I think it'd be best for the players to develop at a calmer pace at Everton and Tottenham for atleast a couple more seasons. Moving from even a historically Top 6 or thereabouts club to United can be a massive shock to the system and a lot of times, these players can't handle the pressure at that ahe. They are very young still, so staying put a bit longer would do them no harm.
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I'm not so sure the move would hurt either in truth, everything about Stones exudes calm and he seems to have an old head on his shoulders, and by the time we made a move for Kane he'd be 22 so that would work IMO. If you look at our history from Rooney to Smalling to Jones to Shaw we have went for young English players early, I think the reason has been to make them feel like United players at a young age and develop a sense of belonging which can be very important long term. In the case of Kane that is not going to occur of course as he has been in Spurs youth system for too long, but Stones is ripe for the picking IMO.
 
Kane, Barkley, berahino, Clyne, Stones and sterling are the Gems of english talent.
 
Clyne would be good buy to us in the summer.
Danny Ings is the other talent,is right guy at wrong team,could be more that useful in the mid table teams.
 
Important question is, would Irish / Scottish / Welsh players count as domestic or not?

Our players: Rooney, Smalling, Wilson, McNair, Blackett, possibly Jones, Pearson.

Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, John Stones, Nathaniel Clyne, Saidi Berahino, Eric Dier.

About the rules, I would like if FIFA decided to introduce such rules for all clubs, with a minimum number of players requiring to be "homegrown" by the team itself, and a number by their home nation they are playing in.
 
Telcontar said:
About the rules, I would like if FIFA decided to introduce such rules for all clubs, with a minimum number of players requiring to be "homegrown" by the team itself, and a number by their home nation they are playing in.
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These rules only make things worse in my opinion. All they do is make big clubs buy foreign players at a younger age. A player counts as homegrown if he played at a club for 3 years between the age of 15 and 21. Players like Januzaj and Andreas Pereira count as homegrown. Or Hector Bellerín at Arsenal, also homegrown. How do these rules improve the influx of English talent? If anything it only increases competition at a younger age, not making it easier on anyone.

The only way it makes sense if they do change it to played 3 years at a club before the age of 18, but there's no way that will happen, but I wouldn't even be surprised if clubs manage to circumvent that rule too.
 
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I meant to say that, maybe not all, but certainly a certain number of "homegrown" players would have to be a players of the nationality in league in which they are playing. Basically going back to the pre Bosman rules, but not so rigid, and modernized. I doubt it will happen, too much money involved with lots of top class players. But my idea is something to have like at least 5-6 out of 18 players that are academy products, and few more that are grown in the country of the league you are playing in. Plus if you are English or Italian team, at least say 9 or 10 out of 18 ( 11 + 7 subs ) must be players eligible to play for that nation.

So for instance Januzaj could be counted as academy product, but not as "national" player.
 
Stones and Sterling would be top of the list for me, I'd be fairly sure they are or at least will become brilliant players. Kane too, though I'd prefer to let him have another season before fully making up my mind.

In more pragmatic terms Clyne would be the obvious target given that we need to strengthen RB anyway. Don't see him as top quality though, certainly nowhere near the same level of potential that someone like Shaw had.
 
Rozay said:
Barkley for me. Have said for a year that I can see him becoming a world class PL #8, potentially the best ever. He is a good 10, but the PL always has a place for strong, powerful central midfielders who can drive forward and hit long rangers. If he were black I think more Toure comparisons would be made.
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He has said he is a striker.
 
khoazany said:
It's just proposal but I don't think it will be accepted.Though probably they will still manage to increase the number of homegrown players required.Even if they increase to 12 we wouldn't have any problem as long as they don't change the criteria of homegrown player with the likes of Januzaj,McNair,Pereira and Fosu-Mensah around (all joined at 16).

The problem with the new criteria of homegrown rule (stay 3 years at England from 15-18) is you can only sign foreign youngsters at 16 or above so it basically exclude every one of them.
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Will they be relaxing the criteria on who 15 year olds can train with - or do they still have to train within a certain distance of their home because as well as home grown criteria Isnt there also stipulations about player coming from your own academy?
 
Rozay said:
Good for you. You know best of course.
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Barkley might be the most overrated English youngster in history. Has done close to nothing in his career and not even a starter for Everton but en route to becoming an all time great in CM. Madness.
 
Silverman said:
He has said he is a striker.
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Actually he said behind the striker
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32123050

But the tabliod papers decided it was better to say he wanted to be a striker
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ross-barkley-im-a-striker-5430008

Both quote his interview with Premier League World as the source of their quotes... and they say behind the striker
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/...-barkley-confident-he-can-find-best-form.html
 
sun_tzu said:
Actually he said behind the striker
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32123050

But the tabliod papers decided it was better to say he wanted to be a striker
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ross-barkley-im-a-striker-5430008

Both quote his interview with Premier League World as the source of their quotes... and they say behind the striker
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/...-barkley-confident-he-can-find-best-form.html
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We still don't need him. Mata, Di Maria, Januzaj, Rooney.
 
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