Yeah but they weren't interfering with play. It's a new tactic set your players out to block the official's view so he can't give a decision.
PL W FA Premier League
West Ham United 0:2 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Mon, 02 January 2017
It's 13 unbeaten in all comps (we beat Swansea prior to drawing with Arsenal).
Haven't seen that list without a grey 'L' on it before
Is it wrong that I'm actually really annoyed it could have very easily been 13 wins in a row if we held on just a few minutes longer against Everton + Arsenal and learned how to finish against West Ham? Fine margins!
It's 13 unbeaten in all comps (we beat Swansea prior to drawing with Arsenal).
Haven't seen that list without a grey 'L' on it before
Yes, because football rarely works that way. We could have also lost at Palace and WBA had decisions gone the other way.
It is what it is
Yeah I'm well aware of that, we were fortunate v West Ham away too. It still bothers me greatly though.
Numerous decisions have gone against us. Jose was right "We are the Champions of wrong decisions" and to me it will never even out. We have had some of the worst times with the referees during our 6 draws. Referees like Lee Mason are unfit for the role, he was ridiculous in our match against Boro if i am right. If the referees were perfect we could've won more games and probably lost just 2 goals. So if you think we benefited from the referee decisions, well! i think you need go dive into a @#$% !!
That's us fans for you. We always fret about what could have been
Perhaps this was because we went a man up, WHU then went ultra defensive and our players had no idea how to penetrate.
I think the performance was lacking, especially in the first half, but definitely not as bad as a lot will say. A lot of the slow play was probably down to a bit of fatigue and maybe Jose has now learned that he may have to freshen up a little bit more in select mid-week games (especially when we are back in Europe and playing the upcoming domestic cup matches). We were lucky in spells and West Ham did quite well even with 10 men, they are the definition of game raisers IMO and the sending off probably spurred them on a bit initially if anything. However, tired legs was always going to be the factor and that is most likely what enabled us to edge them out eventually.
Mike Dean (and his officials) will be the talking point and rightly so. I'm getting a bit fed up of it this season, it seems as though the officials are the talking point more-so than ever before (someone correct me if I'm wrong) and there needs to be some kind of hearing involving all of them. However, the Feghouli challenge is a bit less controversial than most people will care to admit. He left his feet and it can be seen as somewhat out of control, which some would think is enough to be worthy of a red (and is even in the rules). For what's it worth though, I think it was a Yellow Card offence as well and if West Ham win the appeal then there will be no complaints.
Zlatan's goal is clearly offside, but he had one stupidly disallowed against Boro' so that's swings and roundabouts. Glad to see Jose make some very effective changes. What's done is done, happy to get away with the three points and move onto the next games. If we can beat Liverpool we have every chance of finishing anywhere from 2nd to 6th really.
Mike Dean (and his officials) will be the talking point and rightly so. I'm getting a bit fed up of it this season, it seems as though the officials are the talking point more-so than ever before (someone correct me if I'm wrong) and there needs to be some kind of hearing involving all of them. However, the Feghouli challenge is a bit less controversial than most people will care to admit. He left his feet and it can be seen as somewhat out of control, which some would think is enough to be worthy of a red (and is even in the rules). For what's it worth though, I think it was a Yellow Card offence as well and if West Ham win the appeal then there will be no complaints.
Zlatan's goal is clearly offside, but he had one stupidly disallowed against Boro' so that's swings and roundabouts. Glad to see Jose make some very effective changes. What's done is done, happy to get away with the three points and move onto the next games. If we can beat Liverpool we have every chance of finishing anywhere from 2nd to 6th really.
That is not to say we wouldn't have beaten them regardless the sending off though.
Yeah I've been thinking that too. Those three draws could easily have been wins and we'd be right up there in contention.
All this hooha about the red card. It meant that West Ham went ultra defensive, as you would expect, which made it very difficult for us to break through their defenses. I reckon we'd have beaten them by more than 2-0 if they had kept 11 men on the pitch, we absolutely battered them in the 2nd half.
People forget the decisions we get away with, Herrera could of had 3 red cards, Fellani numerous and got away with some clear penalties.
Its swings and roundabouts !
The reason we couldn't hang on against Arsenal was because of Mourinhos mistake, which was totally missed by the pundits.
He took off our right back and did not replace him, Wenger spotted this and sent Oxlade Chamberlain flying down that side.
Crucial error by the manager
The reason Arsenal equalised was because of a foul on Jones that was not flagged.
Not to mention, Arsenal should've had to score two because we were robbed of a penalty in the first half.
true. But it was a blatant foul. The ABU media were not out in force then were they?
When refereeing hurts Man Utd its not an issue. One or two decisions go our way and the press has a collective meltdown. The sports pages today would have you believe Mike Riley is the devil incarnate.
Those who were moaning about Rojo not being red carded for his two tackles in a couple of previous matches, are now so so upset that Feghouli was sent off for his charge on Jones.
No, not the ABUs. They are in this 'Manchester United' forum. So bizarre.
No, not the ABUs. They are in this 'Manchester United' forum. So bizarre.
understatement.
Mourinho will use that.
But I did enjoy the RAWK meltdown tbh
Who doesn't like a RAWK meltdown?
A Dean Rabona
Can't wait for 15 January 2017. Would love us to win via a controversial penalty, or a goal from Zlatan where he takes the ball down with a mix of shoulder and bicep and then whacks it in. It'd drive them mad.
I was watching this video, regarding WHU fan reaction to Mike Dean.
It's very funny, though it contains some bad language, so be warned.
It's very funny, though it contains some bad language, so be warned.
That's LVG right there!
At half time I think Jose snapped our team out of the LVG philosophy, which saw them do more damage in 10 minutes than they did in the entire first half.[/QUOTE]
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whoever is the ref that day is going to be the biggest loser.
Knowing the Premier League we'll get Mark Clattenberg or Martin Atkinson.
The Scousers should actually be happy. We've been denied some stonewall penalties this year. Refs just don't want to give them to us. Their clogger defenders could boot Mkhitaryan up in the air and we still wouldn't get a penalty.
should have heard them in the stadium ..... heard the words 'fookin cnut' around 1000 times in 5 minutes. And thats not even an exaggeration
In the run-up to this weekend, I suspected that we would drop points in 1 of the 2 games. Delighted that we came out with the full 6.
For the most part we struggled and a lot of the players looked exhausted. Players with high work rates like Herrera and Mkhitarian looked really off the pace and when that's mixed in with players who are normally slower (Ibra, Carrick) or in poor form (Lingard, Darmian), that will hardly lead to a brilliant display. There can be no denying that we benefited a lot from Mike Dean's crap refereeing when West Ham went down to 10 men, since it took away a lot of their initiative and forced them to do extra running to make up the numbers.
Still, West Ham put in a very good effort and came very close to scoring twice. DDG came up huge in the first half with a lunging save and in the second half made the stop on Antonio, which bailed us out of a sudden breakdown by our defence. While the game against Middlesborough renewed hope in us coming from behind, I'm not sure if we would've been able to pull it off again had either chance led to a goal, considering how knackered we already were. Of course, all of this could have been easier had Valencia or Lingard taken advantage of a ridiculously easy scoring chance that both fluffed.
The main positive (outside of Mike Dean) was watching our substitutions again having a big impact on the game, something that was very rare the past few seasons. Rashford and Mata completely energized our attack, it's amazing what fresh feet can do. I've gone hard on Mata but there is no denying his talents in producing magic. Rashford looks the real article as both a scorer and playmaker, just give him time. Ibra's goal was ludicrous in how offside he was, but considering what happened with his last 'goal' 2 days before, I really couldn't care less. I can always use a laugh, especially when it comes at West Ham's expense.
So overall, I'd give us a 6 out of 10, while Jose gets 10 out of 10 for his in-game management. Time now for the players to rest up and get ready for the cup ties.
For the most part we struggled and a lot of the players looked exhausted. Players with high work rates like Herrera and Mkhitarian looked really off the pace and when that's mixed in with players who are normally slower (Ibra, Carrick) or in poor form (Lingard, Darmian), that will hardly lead to a brilliant display. There can be no denying that we benefited a lot from Mike Dean's crap refereeing when West Ham went down to 10 men, since it took away a lot of their initiative and forced them to do extra running to make up the numbers.
Still, West Ham put in a very good effort and came very close to scoring twice. DDG came up huge in the first half with a lunging save and in the second half made the stop on Antonio, which bailed us out of a sudden breakdown by our defence. While the game against Middlesborough renewed hope in us coming from behind, I'm not sure if we would've been able to pull it off again had either chance led to a goal, considering how knackered we already were. Of course, all of this could have been easier had Valencia or Lingard taken advantage of a ridiculously easy scoring chance that both fluffed.
The main positive (outside of Mike Dean) was watching our substitutions again having a big impact on the game, something that was very rare the past few seasons. Rashford and Mata completely energized our attack, it's amazing what fresh feet can do. I've gone hard on Mata but there is no denying his talents in producing magic. Rashford looks the real article as both a scorer and playmaker, just give him time. Ibra's goal was ludicrous in how offside he was, but considering what happened with his last 'goal' 2 days before, I really couldn't care less. I can always use a laugh, especially when it comes at West Ham's expense.
So overall, I'd give us a 6 out of 10, while Jose gets 10 out of 10 for his in-game management. Time now for the players to rest up and get ready for the cup ties.
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Really wish this thread wasn't locked
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/rea...k-mourinho-was-better-than-lvg.424055/page-17
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/rea...k-mourinho-was-better-than-lvg.424055/page-17
- This was a terrible performance. What I liked about it was that I was actually surprised it was a terrible performance, due to the fact I've become to used to us not playing terribly. This time last year it would have just been a performance.
- Why was it mainly the players who DIDN'T play 48 hours before who all looked like they'd never had to run before in their lives? I mean Pogba, Valencia and later in the game Zlatan all looked like they hadn't fully shaken the hangover from whatever New Years party they'd gone to...but Jones, Darmian, Lingard annd Carrick all looked like they'd not even sobered up yet
- Herrera has been playing badly for a few weeks now but no one seems to have noticed yet. He keeps passing the ball sideways to people on the other team
- I'm mainly positive about how things are going at the moment. Very positive in fact. I'd struggle to find things to complain about...however, that was quite possibly the worst game of football ever played. People whinge about the referee but if anything he was less rubbish than nearly all of the players.
- I agree it didn't need to be a sending off, but imagine if Rojo had made that challenge and not been sent off. Can anyone say there wouldn't have been outrage and keep a straight face? He jumped into the tackle for no reason. You can't have it both ways.
- 6 wins in a row, and we've picked up more points in the last 10 games than anyone else in the league barring Chelsea. Promising, considering it hasn't been based on luck.
- Feck off West Ham
- Why was it mainly the players who DIDN'T play 48 hours before who all looked like they'd never had to run before in their lives? I mean Pogba, Valencia and later in the game Zlatan all looked like they hadn't fully shaken the hangover from whatever New Years party they'd gone to...but Jones, Darmian, Lingard annd Carrick all looked like they'd not even sobered up yet
- Herrera has been playing badly for a few weeks now but no one seems to have noticed yet. He keeps passing the ball sideways to people on the other team
- I'm mainly positive about how things are going at the moment. Very positive in fact. I'd struggle to find things to complain about...however, that was quite possibly the worst game of football ever played. People whinge about the referee but if anything he was less rubbish than nearly all of the players.
- I agree it didn't need to be a sending off, but imagine if Rojo had made that challenge and not been sent off. Can anyone say there wouldn't have been outrage and keep a straight face? He jumped into the tackle for no reason. You can't have it both ways.
- 6 wins in a row, and we've picked up more points in the last 10 games than anyone else in the league barring Chelsea. Promising, considering it hasn't been based on luck.
- Feck off West Ham
If we don't make top 4 I'm sure these ones will haunt us.
Everton like to throw a spanner in the works for us it seems,Well never forgot that 4-4 draw
Yeah but we've had more than our fair share of bad decisions. What do you have to say about that?
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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17%
David de Gea
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9%
Paul Pogba
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8%
Juan Mata
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2%
Ander Herrera
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2%
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
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1%
Phil Jones
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1%
Michael Carrick
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1%
Antonio Valencia
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 603 ratings.
Score Predictions
450,33,66
- Man Utd win
- West Ham win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 28% West Ham 1:2 Man Utd
- 17% West Ham 0:2 Man Utd
- 14% West Ham 1:3 Man Utd
- 13% West Ham 0:1 Man Utd
- 9% West Ham 1:1 Man Utd
- 5% West Ham 0:3 Man Utd
- 3% West Ham 2:1 Man Utd
- 2% West Ham 0:0 Man Utd
- 1% West Ham 2:2 Man Utd
- 1% West Ham 2:3 Man Utd
- 1% West Ham 0:5 Man Utd
- 1% West Ham 1:4 Man Utd
- 1% West Ham 2:0 Man Utd
- 1% West Ham 0:4 Man Utd
- 1% West Ham 1:0 Man Utd
- 1% West Ham 3:1 Man Utd
- 0% West Ham 4:5 Man Utd
- 0% West Ham 3:0 Man Utd
- 0% West Ham 3:4 Man Utd
- 0% West Ham 4:0 Man Utd
- 0% West Ham 5:0 Man Utd
- 0% West Ham 2:4 Man Utd
- 0% West Ham 1:5 Man Utd
Match Stats
- West Ham
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 36% 64%
- Shots
- 8 13
- Shots on Target
- 2 6
- Corners
- 2 1
- Fouls
- 9 13
Referee
Mike Dean
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