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Tottenham Hotspur 2:0 Manchester United

Post-match discussion


Sat, 19 August 2023

Not much to say. Seen this coming from pre-season. The worst is yet to come. Arsenal away in two weeks then Brighton after that.
 
Hes probably our most talented attacking player but Bruno is a hindrance in the overall scheme of things and we'll probably be a mess in midfield in particular while he's in the side.
 
Man Utd Lost so the CAF is in meltdown! PANIC STATIONS!

Sack EtH. Sack Murtough. All the players bought are crap.

Fold the club.

Doesn't go far enough, with a bit of effort we can turn Old Trafford into flats as well.
 
1st half, evens. I thought we were in it. But 2nd half we didnt come out, certainly not the attack. We're going nowhere, midfield is a calamity. This is going to be a horrid season.
 
The 3 players leading the attack towards the end seemed to walk about while waiting for an assist. I think their body language spoke volumes, and their apologies will not fly with us fans.
 
The Spurs hype is so over the top. They weren’t even that good.
And yet they still won reasonably comfortably.
We were fecking awful, especially in the second half.
Dominated in midfield now against two fairly average sides.
What does that say about us?
 
Something feels iffy. Just haven’t looked in the right frame of mind in either game.

Teams want to play us, because we encourage them. Time and time again.

All a bit concerning. Need an injection of optimism from somewhere.
 
Garbage. We look so bad, I’m not sure Højlund coming in will solve the main problem, we’ve zero control in midfield and are getting cut open far too easily. We need a midfielder, simple as.
Meh if someone just puts the damn chances away we should've been up 2-0 in that first half before spurs had the double woodwork moment. Get to that point and pretty sure we would've found it easier to control the game and continue creating chances.
 
Should have been 3 up at half time, did not come back out of the dressing room. Rashford out of sorts, Antony makes Dan James look like Robben and it turns out Fred was our best midfielder.

Rashford was offside and they hit the woodwork twice, so we should've been one up at best. Doesn't really matter though when we as usual make the opposition look like contenders for the treble in the 2nd half.
 
It's going to be a long old season. It's probably going to get worse, and then a little better, before getting worse again. And then we'll do it all over again next season, and the seasons after that.

Football is great, isn't it?
 
After two matches none of our strikers and midfielders have a goal or an assist, and OG seems to have signed for Spurs.
 
Bruno Fernandes and Marcus Rashford are supposed to be the first two players we look to in matches like this. The fact that they both crumble mentally in different ways will either cease happening or Ten Hag will not succeed here. Rashford completely disengages from the match, and Bruno loses his composure and plays frantic football. This is the problem that needs to be fixed before we can talk about anyone else. What separates us from three clubs that have been in the title race over the past 2-3 seasons is they keep their structure when they have strong periods in the match and don't score. They can recover when the eb and flow of the game is tilting against them. Fernandes and Rashford are supposed to be our lightening rods in these situations, and it's at best a 50/50 proposition whether they'll stand up and counted for or go in the tank. When they go in the tank, everyone else does as well.

We lost this match because of our mentality point blank. We played very well in spurts and just wilted mentally for a period and the just vanished as soon as turned up the pressure a little bit.
 
Brunos missed chance from Shaws cross is what will haunt me after this game. He is absolutely free in the box, no one is close to disturbing him. Shaws cross is put straight on his forehead, and he misses the target with 2m.
You could pick a random poster from this forum at the end of that beauty of a pass from Shaw and it wouldn`t be with a worse outcome.

And just how can it be so easy for teams to just waltz straight through us.. Only good thing now is i wasn`t expecting much better than this. Just tired and down
 
We saw the exact theme in last seasons first 2 matches.

No physicality, no positioning sense, these players are not cut out to play modern football, which requires techincal abilities to “keep” the ball.

And sadly, Fernandes is not at all suited to play this style. Feel for Ten hag really, but sure he’ll revert back to our old style sooner rather than later.

Go back to counter attacking, this team has just one style of play.
 
It's going to be a long old season. It's probably going to get worse, and then a little better, before getting worse again. And then we'll do it all over again next season, and the seasons after that.

Football is great, isn't it?

Can't see if serious or sarcastic.
 
It's going to be a long old season. It's probably going to get worse, and then a little better, before getting worse again. And then we'll do it all over again next season, and the seasons after that.

Football is great, isn't it?

Pretty much. At this point, expecting that pattern to change is becoming delusional to the point of madness. Why would it change?
 
And yet they still won reasonably comfortably.
We were fecking awful, especially in the second half.
Dominated in midfield now against two fairly average sides.
What does that say about us?
We just weren’t dominated though were we. Spurs got gifted two goals. We missed big chances and denied a clear penalty. Aside from that it was fairly even.
 
We were okay for about 35 minutes or so.. the yellows weirdly rattled us. Missed a few sitters.

And naturally Spurs end up scoring first. Gifted them another.

Everyone was awful in the 2nd half.
 
We did not have our strongest 11 at spurs. Some winger was absent due to unforeseen circumstances.
 
I hope Onana isn't repeating a.Ten Hag line. Because it wasn't just mistakes that lost us the game. We were not at it
 
Brunos missed chance from Shaws cross is what will haunt me after this game. He is absolutely free in the box, no one is close to disturbing him. Shaws cross is put straight on his forehead, and he misses the target with 2m.
You could pick a random poster from this forum at the end of that beauty of a pass from Shaw and it wouldn`t be with a worse outcome.

And just how can it be so easy for teams to just waltz straight through us.. Only good thing now is i wasn`t expecting much better than this. Just tired and down
That bruno free header is really unforgivable.

put bernardo silva or mo salah (putting height aside) in the same spot , that is definitely a goal.

do they even train headers in the training ?

my goodness , apart from Varane and perhaps Casemiro , none of them are hitting the target !
 
Antony and Garnacho both absolutely dreadful 2 games in a row playing in their preferred positions. Neither should be anywhere near starting again for the foreseeable.
 
Expected goals stats.

Spurs (1.58) 2-0 (2.01) Man Utd

Sums up what can happen when you have a team concedes soft goals and aren't clinical enough with the chances created
 
Meh if someone just puts the damn chances away we should've been up 2-0 in that first half before spurs had the double woodwork moment. Get to that point and pretty sure we would've found it easier to control the game and continue creating chances.
Exactly. Goals change games. We rarely seem to score in our key moments in these big away games. If we do, we control and shape the game. But we don't, then when the home side inevitably stirs into life we don't have the players to change the flow of the game and then we're one or two down with an intense crowd and we fall apart. Same old story.

Get a couple of cold finishers in this side ASAP.
 
A better team would have shredded us to pieces. We are lucky they no longer have Kane.
 
Well that was just plain terrible. In the 2nd half it was a shambles and we could be playing all week and not score.
Our tactics toward the end was just to lump the ball with no structure, idea or pattern.
And we had no midfield again.
 
We look like a side that has no focal point. The midfield has no outlet when it has the ball so players overthink and then lose the ball. Our attacking players are all of the wide or secondary type and not the pure striker so they don't make those runs or have the movement that comes natural to a striker.

Our play has no end game. The opposition doesn't need to worry about us attacking because there's nobody there to occupy them and when we do go forward, it's usually out wide and ultimately there's nobody in the middle.

It's easy to play against, easy to defend against. It makes our players look poor because they have no outlet, no options.

A striker doesn't even need to score. There were presence brings it all together.

Putting someone up top who doesn't have the natural instincts won't fix it either.
 

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4.5 Total Average Rating

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Score Predictions

158,67,81
  • Man Utd win
  • Tottenham win
  • Draw

Detailed Results

  • 27% Tottenham 1:2 Man Utd
  • 17% Tottenham 1:1 Man Utd
  • 10% Tottenham 0:2 Man Utd
  • 9% Tottenham 2:1 Man Utd
  • 8% Tottenham 2:2 Man Utd
  • 7% Tottenham 1:3 Man Utd
  • 7% Tottenham 2:0 Man Utd
  • 5% Tottenham 0:1 Man Utd
  • 2% Tottenham 3:1 Man Utd
  • 2% Tottenham 3:0 Man Utd
  • 1% Tottenham 0:0 Man Utd
  • 1% Tottenham 2:3 Man Utd
  • 1% Tottenham 3:2 Man Utd
  • 1% Tottenham 1:0 Man Utd
  • 0% Tottenham 4:1 Man Utd
  • 0% Tottenham 0:5 Man Utd
  • 0% Tottenham 5:0 Man Utd
  • 0% Tottenham 6:0 Man Utd
  • 0% Tottenham 9:0 Man Utd
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Match Stats

  1. Tottenham
  2. Man Utd
Possession
56% 44%
Shots
17 22
Shots on Target
6 6
Corners
5 6
Fouls
9 8

Referee

Michael Oliver