Good call, and this improved fitness will be put to sterner tests with the glut of games coming up
PL D FA Premier League
Manchester United 0:0 Newcastle United
Post-match discussion
Sun, 16 October 2022
We dominated newcastle with Casemiro, fred and Fernades. i remember how they will come and dominate us with those Longstaff brothers. We are improving guys...At lease i have not heard anyone saying we should go and sigh a longstaff for 50m
Yet that is exactly where we realistically are at this point. Getting top 4 would be a big achievement this season, considering the strength of the opposition (at least if you presuppose Chelsea and Liverpool getting their act together). Seems a bit pointless to me to be angry about that (although there is every reason to be angry about the fact that the management of the club over the past few years have left us in that position). I guess that's more or less your point too.
Boys how about we just gather our thoughts a little bit and realize that this is the start of a very difficult transition from being a lost cause of a footballing institution to hopefully back to being the front runners in that department.
Reading the caf in general over the years we have managed to contradict ourselves on every single opinion. When we’re winning we aim anger at philosophy, strategy and style. When we go for a transition to a modern attacking progressive style, we want the managers head if we’re not winning as well. This just doesn’t make sense, none of the clubs that are currently best in the world were always playing this type of football, most were shitehouse clubs to be fair. Then came a catalyst that, in time, made them to what they are (Sir Alex,Wenger, Pep, Klopp, Poch…) there are many other examples some needed more some less funds but all needed time.
We are currently in the best phase of the process, you can lay back munch on some salt&buttered popcorn and enjoy the road, it’s gonna be extra bumpy. We can expect anything from winning 10 in a row to loosing 10:0 at home to Spurs. The main point being, Ten Hag knows the the f he’s doing, this season is here just to look at the positives and maybe somehow qualify for the CL, if possible if not que sera sera.
Reading the caf in general over the years we have managed to contradict ourselves on every single opinion. When we’re winning we aim anger at philosophy, strategy and style. When we go for a transition to a modern attacking progressive style, we want the managers head if we’re not winning as well. This just doesn’t make sense, none of the clubs that are currently best in the world were always playing this type of football, most were shitehouse clubs to be fair. Then came a catalyst that, in time, made them to what they are (Sir Alex,Wenger, Pep, Klopp, Poch…) there are many other examples some needed more some less funds but all needed time.
We are currently in the best phase of the process, you can lay back munch on some salt&buttered popcorn and enjoy the road, it’s gonna be extra bumpy. We can expect anything from winning 10 in a row to loosing 10:0 at home to Spurs. The main point being, Ten Hag knows the the f he’s doing, this season is here just to look at the positives and maybe somehow qualify for the CL, if possible if not que sera sera.
We didn't deserve to win the match but this stat doesn't surprise me watching the game:
It's ridiculous that the referee can just make up time added on as he pleases.
It's ridiculous that the referee can just make up time added on as he pleases.
I really don’t know what to think about where we’re going after this match. We defended well, moved the ball in the middle third well, and we create enough chances so that we should have scored on at lest two glorious chances at the end, Fred and then Rashford.
I have no idea what the “xG” for each of those two chances were, but all I can say is that we should have scored on both. Our woefulness on goal is frustrating and a cause for concern. All we can do is live with our frustration and hope for a better return on goal the rest of the season but unless our finishing improves we’re looking at another season without CL football.
I have no idea what the “xG” for each of those two chances were, but all I can say is that we should have scored on both. Our woefulness on goal is frustrating and a cause for concern. All we can do is live with our frustration and hope for a better return on goal the rest of the season but unless our finishing improves we’re looking at another season without CL football.
Anyone know the rules for this (missed live as lost stream)?
Ball is definitely still, defender passes to goalie, but presumably ref says there’s another reason why that’s not ok?
Ball is definitely still, defender passes to goalie, but presumably ref says there’s another reason why that’s not ok?
Gotta say, Eddie Howe learnt from his mistakes at Bournemouth. He has evolved as a manager.
It really did feel like that at the game. Second half could barely be described as football. Ball in play less than an hour yet players cramping up all over the field.
Yeah Newcastle wasted loads of time, the feckers. Ref couldn't manage it at all
Sums up our CF position.Most spot on post of the week.
we play better football than spurs...they just have two guys in kane and son who are just lethal in taking their chances
arsenal are the enigma b/c they don't play great football but are grinding out results which is very un-arsenal like
No surprise that MoTD relegated us to just a few minutes towards the end bu hilarious hearing Keown saying Newcastle should have had a penalty (probably right) but no mention of the hacking down of Sancho or Ronaldo's nipping in after the Newcastle free kick - and no use of VAR lines so we could see certain decisions. Little wonder I prefer Sky's fuller coverage...
We weren't great and even though newcastle's defensive record is good, I think we did enough to deserve the win in the second half and Rashford's miss was very poor (he possibly should have gone for goal earlier too instead of passing to Fred).
Our defence looked pretty good but it's time to drop Bruno, I'm afraid. Another anonymous performance
We weren't great and even though newcastle's defensive record is good, I think we did enough to deserve the win in the second half and Rashford's miss was very poor (he possibly should have gone for goal earlier too instead of passing to Fred).
Our defence looked pretty good but it's time to drop Bruno, I'm afraid. Another anonymous performance
PL will take notice and action when Liverpool get affected by this tactic, because BT and Sky will moan about it.
Very well written, my thoughts exactly.
When's Gary Neville going to actually make himself useful for us?
The ref having that view and not giving a penalty?
I've read conflicting reports on whether the referee actually blew the whistle on the controversial Ronaldo disallowed goal. If he blew the whistle before the defender passed the ball back to the keeper, it's a live ball without any debate, regardless of the position of the referee's arm.
So, did the referee blow the whistle to authorize the restart of play? It's pretty clear to me he did.
So, did the referee blow the whistle to authorize the restart of play? It's pretty clear to me he did.
VAR is horrific has been since implemented decisions have got worse and less reliable since this farce was introduced.
The City goal being disallowed was pathetic also yesterday.
I was at the game so haven't had the opportunity to look at anything close or replays but i saw the most obvious blatant penalty i have seen for Newcastle think it was Varane who took the guy out but it was that obvious it was laughable, whole thing is broken.
The City goal being disallowed was pathetic also yesterday.
I was at the game so haven't had the opportunity to look at anything close or replays but i saw the most obvious blatant penalty i have seen for Newcastle think it was Varane who took the guy out but it was that obvious it was laughable, whole thing is broken.
Never. He will lose his job if he starts batting for us. He needs to follow the script that his bosses give him.When's Gary Neville going to actually make himself useful for us?
Looked like a game between two sides just on the verges of the top six... Oh, wait that's what they are!!
Newcastle have improved no end since Eddie Howe took over, his defence work as a unit and kept us at bay until the dying embers.
Without Eriksen we struggle to break the lines and rely on trying to work the ball out wide, but even when we do, we rarely hit the goal line for pull backs into the box. As predictable has ever.
You can see some differences ETH has made but it's very slow progress, where there is poor finishing, the result is almost always 0-0... and so it came to pass, that those who cannot hit a barndoor sat on the latch, will finish up goalless!!
Newcastle have improved no end since Eddie Howe took over, his defence work as a unit and kept us at bay until the dying embers.
Without Eriksen we struggle to break the lines and rely on trying to work the ball out wide, but even when we do, we rarely hit the goal line for pull backs into the box. As predictable has ever.
You can see some differences ETH has made but it's very slow progress, where there is poor finishing, the result is almost always 0-0... and so it came to pass, that those who cannot hit a barndoor sat on the latch, will finish up goalless!!
The VAR refs are just buddies with the on-field refs. So they basically sign off on what the on field ref gives.
Seen this earlier. When he blows his whistle the ball is dead, Schar plays the ball and it's live.
It's a goal.
Apart from the goal technology or the offside lines, where the results are 'absolutes', then every other decision, is as it always has been, up to the ref's discretion .... therefore, there will always be disagreement, even with VAR, therefore, refs will continue to be, for many supporters... 'black, scouse, or 'short-sighted', bas***ds'.
It is indeed a goal. Other appalling referee decisions should not be overlooked, but this is a whopper that at the very least should be entered into official file of Craig Pawson.
But it will be ignored by the PGMOL and Pawson will sleep well at night, knowing there are no consequences for his incompetence.
Laughable and people think this isn't a pen? Whats sancho supposed to do here?The ref having that view and not giving a penalty?
I doubt even if it is entered in official file. it makes much of a difference. Do referees move out of the select groups in PGMOL for under performance, mid season?
Paswon shouldn’t be allowed to ref in the prem for a period of time, absolute shit, the refereeing in the premier league, supposedly the best in the world, is dogshit.The ref having that view and not giving a penalty?
We need
It's Pawson, he's just a terrible referee. He has a long list of stupid and outlandish decsions behind him going back years, even if you just pick Utd games and forget the wink at Arteta after his use of VAR in the Utd Arsenal game this year. He was even labelled a lazy referee who was too reliant on VAR by Keith Hackett after he was given the FA Cup. Now it looks like he won't even use VAR even when he should.
Until the conversations between the VAR room and on-field ref are made public, we don't know if the VAR ref is looking into this or has gone to take a dump.
Aye, it should be done, but Idon't think that will ever happen.
The whole system is a joke, it was supposed to make the game better. But now you look at a game and are wondering why 2 referees even with all the camera angles are still making stupid decsions.
In Pawson's case. It's mental that a referee could be even worse with VAR and still be a PL referee.
By the way the ball from Casemiro to Rashy in the last minute was outrageously good.
Yeah just shame Rashford couldn't finish it
Will grant you we play better stuff than Spurs,however Arsenal play some of the best football in the league for me.
The Referee blows the whistle as the defender is tapping the ball. It's very clear that nobody bar Ronaldo thinks the ball is in play at this point. It's clutching at straws trying to say that this decision has cost us a goal. If this was the other way round you'd be livid if it was given against you!
This was a stonewall penalty though, terrible decision by Pawson!
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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22%
Casemiro
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16%
Luke Shaw
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13%
Antony
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11%
Lisandro Martinez
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5%
Jadon Sancho
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3%
David de Gea
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2%
Bruno Fernandes
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1%
Diogo Dalot
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1%
Marcus Rashford
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 226 ratings.
Score Predictions
149,17,38
- Man Utd win
- Newcastle win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 30% Man Utd 2:1 Newcastle
- 17% Man Utd 2:0 Newcastle
- 12% Man Utd 1:1 Newcastle
- 9% Man Utd 3:1 Newcastle
- 6% Man Utd 2:2 Newcastle
- 6% Man Utd 1:0 Newcastle
- 5% Man Utd 3:2 Newcastle
- 3% Man Utd 3:0 Newcastle
- 3% Man Utd 1:2 Newcastle
- 2% Man Utd 1:3 Newcastle
- 1% Man Utd 0:2 Newcastle
- 1% Man Utd 0:1 Newcastle
- 1% Man Utd 4:1 Newcastle
- 0% Man Utd 0:0 Newcastle
- 0% Man Utd 4:0 Newcastle
- 0% Man Utd 0:9 Newcastle
- 0% Man Utd 4:2 Newcastle
- 0% Man Utd 4:3 Newcastle
- 0% Man Utd 9:0 Newcastle
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Newcastle
- Possession
- 63% 37%
- Shots
- 15 9
- Shots on Target
- 2 2
- Corners
- 4 4
- Fouls
- 13 11
Referee
Craig Pawson
Man Utd Lineup
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