[justsomebloke]

Definitely agree on Eriksen and Casemiro. Let's be absolutely honest, take their names off their shirts and forget their reputations and they wouldnt get game for many Premier League teams.

The Ronaldo point is a good one. Ten Hag froze him out because he couldn't press, only to allow others that don't press like Rashford to continue on. Got rid of Ronaldo and hard to bring in Weghorst from Burnley. It will go down in the United history books as one of the strangest managerial decisions.

Uh, what? Getting rid of Ronaldo was an absolute necessity and a total no-brainer. Anything else would have been an incomprehensible blunder. It wasn't just, or even primarily, about pressing. His blatant and public shows of disaffection and disloyalty would have been ample reason in itself. Not to mention his generally horrenduous performances. He was genuinely one of the worst-performing strikers in the PL that last season.

 

[noodlehair]

Definitely agree on Eriksen and Casemiro. Let's be absolutely honest, take their names off their shirts and forget their reputations and they wouldnt get game for many Premier League teams.

The Ronaldo point is a good one. Ten Hag froze him out because he couldn't press, only to allow others that don't press like Rashford to continue on. Got rid of Ronaldo and hard to bring in Weghorst from Burnley. It will go down in the United history books as one of the strangest managerial decisions.

I think both Eriksen and Casemiro would get games but not for anyone in the area of the table we want to be in. In their first season here Casemiro I think was good enough for any team and Eriksen was a massive improvement on what we were doing before, but it only takes you losing a tiny percentage of something at this level for it to make a big difference. Although I do think Casemiro in the correct system is still a good player...but even then you have to consider how much longer for and whether the compromise you make to fit him in is outweighted by what you gain.

I think the Ronaldo decision made perfect sense most of the way through that season. Arguably all the way through...but Rashford was banging in goals. It wasn't so much Weghorst that made a mockery of it (if you ignore the obvious drop in quality he did put the work in and we could function properly with him in the team), as the next season when we had payers up top putting in less work than Ronaldo used to and were filling gaps in our team elsewhere with players who clearly didn't have the physicality/fitness needed.

Its confusing for the players when you have one person being frozen out because they don't meet the managers principles/minimum standards, and at the same time others are getting a free pass or we're siging free agents who've been released by relegated teams. It makes any principles or standards meaningless and with that the performances on the pitch are only going to go one way

(imo)

 

[OleTheGreat]

Pretty obvious not much was going to change.

It's like getting a really expensive new piano, being a complete novice and then being annoyed 2 days later that you can barely play it despite having 2 lessons.

hahaha... you're right in many ways but I hope things can change but I also know not to get my hopes up a lot this time. The last 10 years have been more of a lesson than anything else. A new manager, a new system, haul off the bunch we now have and create a new squad of players, wait 2 years and sack this one. Frankly it is getting old. I need Sheikh Jassim to be the new owner and create a new Man Utd era before anything else changes here.

 

[gaffs]

Uh, what? Getting rid of Ronaldo was an absolute necessity and a total no-brainer. Anything else would have been an incomprehensible blunder. It wasn't just, or even primarily, about pressing. His blatant and public shows of disaffection and disloyalty would have been ample reason in itself. Not to mention his generally horrenduous performances. He was genuinely one of the worst-performing strikers in the PL that last season.

Well lets look back. While I do agree he Ronaldo wasnt on great form at the start of that season, we were winning games prior to him being benched in that 6-2 loss to City.

There was a way to manage Ronaldo and Ten Hag did is poorly - an illustration of how poor his man management was. He may have won battles with Ronaldo and Sancho, but he didn't win the war because i believe he lost respect from others in the team by disrespecting them. You can do that when you are Fergie or Pep, but not when you are an unproven manager in English football.

The fact is, Ronaldo was a better forward, even at the age of 37, then anything Ten Hag was able to field in that season. But this convo isnt for the Ipswich post match thread.

 

[justsomebloke]

Well lets look back. While I do agree he Ronaldo wasnt on great form at the start of that season, we were winning games prior to him being benched in that 6-2 loss to City.

There was a way to manage Ronaldo and Ten Hag did is poorly - an illustration of how poor his man management was. He may have won battles with Ronaldo and Sancho, but he didn't win the war because i believe he lost respect from others in the team by disrespecting them. You can do that when you are Fergie or Pep, but not when you are an unproven manager in English football.

The fact is, Ronaldo was a better forward, even at the age of 37, then anything Ten Hag was able to field in that season. But this convo isnt for the Ipswich post match thread.

I don't believe there was any way of managing Ronaldo that would have turned him into something other than a negative for the team, but you're right, this is not the place for that discussion, so I'll leave it at that.

 

[DevilRed]

ipswich in the first half played the way that amorim wanted us to play

You had tuanzebe and leif bombing down the flanks as ball carrying defenders. So effective against our lethargic players.

 

[Lee565]

We probably win this game had ruud still been in charge but obviously we are looking at the long term vision.