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very disjointed, but he needs time. He is a class manager and time will show it.
He forgot he is playing a different sport. He thought he just dropped a triple-double in the NBA finals instead of grinding out a point at home. Probably already picking out which clothing and chain to wear when he jets off to LA to hang out with LeBron.I noticed. Why the hell was he smiling so much at full time whilst talking to Lee Grant? He's not a serious footballer.
Play Amad closer to their goal, not as a rwb. Shaw should be a wing back not a center back. Also play ugarte and casemiro in midfield.
Hopefully this guy is not as stubborn as Erik.
You think so? Just signed a new contract, it's gonna cost us a bomb to get rid.
I think we are stuck with him tbh
I think Ugarte should have started, even if we had only got a half out of him.We had only 2 Midfielders 100% fit , and it wasn’t that much of a head scratcher as Casemiro and Eriksen have been our 2 best midfielders this season.
I'd like to see a 3-4-4 too, that extra man would be handy.Unfortunately, one player that seems to completely not fit the system is Garnacho. I don't think he can be anything special in Amorim's system. He is a player of great potential but it doesn't look like he will make it in 3-4-3, we should sell him ASAP if we can make some good money for him and if we are sticking with Amorim and 3-4-4 (can't see how we wouldn't)
I really didn't think Mazraoui was that good. He was ball-watching on one of the big Ipswich chances, the back 3 looked shaky generally and I didn't notice any particularly impressive involvements.Mazraoui and Onana get a 6/10 and 7/10 respectively. Solid throughout.
The rest get 5's and 4's. The players didnt do enough to win the game.
Pretty average stuff
Amorim has his work cut out.
Very good for 20 mins. Controlled possession, passed it around nicely, didn’t give the ball away. Then went downhill.
Apart from the goal Rashford didn’t contribute, neither did Bruno.
Would love to see the two 10s be Mount/Zirkee and Garnacho/ Amad with Rasmus as the 9.
Garnacho will not work as a 10. He has little vision and poor passing skills (namely the right weight of the pass).
Think Eriksen is fine when surrounded by teammates who are working their socks off leaving him to ping passes. Unfortunately he is surrounded my players who either don't have the legs or can't be bothered to work hard.
No, it was a disappointing result the main aim now is to see in next few games is that the idea as Amorin says takes effect more , he's going with a 3 CB option that's the easy part imo it's the wing backs and CM to the 3 up front he has to work out.I think we improved with Ugarte and Bruno in the middle.
Case +Eriksen together in there just does not really work.
I think we improved with Ugarte and Bruno in the middle.
Case +Eriksen together in there just does not really work.
well said! what utterly useless performance.. all the build up for nothingThanks for ruining my weekend again United.
well said! what utterly useless performance.. all the build up for nothing
Absolutely awful against a team that haven't played top flight football in over 20 years & will almost certainly will get relegated.
At least Ruben starts unbeaten so far.
I wonder if he'll make many changes for the next game.
Agreed with most of your points except Yoro.It's only the first game and naturally we have to be patient to see results, of course we do. But it does feel a bit crushing to get a weak performance of this particular kind - limp, listless, with no apparent ambition or fight - just once again a slightly sub-average team on a slightly-sub average day. 12th seems just about right. It's been nearly two years since we stringed together a reasonably long stretch of good performances, and the starting point just feels worse than it did even when Ole or Rangnick took over. And to top it off, none of the five players we invested in this summer seem likely to elevate us as a team, except maybe Yoro - who stands atop the hope chart simply by virtue of not having played yet.
Agreed, but my point was mainly that Yoro looks like the most promising of those signings because all the others have been various degrees of disappointing. Or well, I guess Mazraoui has been more or less as advertised, but he's not going to make us a better team.Agreed with most of your points except Yoro.
He is a teenager and we should not pin our hopes on an untested teenager.
In 3-4 years, he might come good (the likelihood is low because to become a top player is incredibly difficult), but until he does, we should not be counting on him.
The performance itself was weak and usually, when a new manager takes over, although the tactics are "iffy", the effort level is very high. The crowd is buzzing. The atmosphere in the dressing room is good. That alone should increase the performance level. Apparently, this didn't happen.
We played the team in 19th place (relegation fodder, no offence to Ipswich) and there were long periods of time during which they looked the far better team. They clearly had a pattern of play. We seemed to be a counter-attacking team and lacked the ability to build from the back.
I’ve seen a number of Sporting fans comment on United posts online and here. The respect they have for Amorim is obvious and had a style of play that the fans loved. I can’t imagine it was an immediate change when he took over though. It’s encouraging to see these comments.Hi all! First time posting.
I am a big Sporting Clube de Portugal fan and, given all the Ruben-Amorim hype, I watched today’s game closely. I watch Man Utd games occasionally, as I like to follow Bruno’s performances, but today I watched with the attention I usually only devote to Sporting and Portugal NT’s games. And I must say, Ruben has a lot of work to do…
Before getting into the performance of individual players, I should say that I thought the whole team seemed too tentative, too much trying to think about the correct positioning, players often too static out of the ball (players need to make their marker doubt whether they’ll be receiving the ball to feet or on space) and not enough confidence and aggressiveness on the ball. I hope that Amorim can improve this quickly, or Man Utd’s football will not be pleasing for a while.
Some thoughts on individual players:
- Rashford – He has pace and some skill. But barring a major change of attitude, I don’t think he will have what it takes to be the center forward for Amorim (or even to be in the starting squad at all). His work rate seems extremely low, as he rarely bothered to press. Also, he seems quite poor at receiving the ball with the back to goal, as both his first touch and strength are unimpressive for the role.
- Garnacho – Seemed the most dangerous player for Man Utd. Thinking about RA’s Sporting setup, I didn’t think that Garnacho would be ideal for an inside forward role, as I didn’t think he has the close control in tight spaces that best suits that role. But this game has made me change my mind about using Garnacho there for several reasons: (1) he definitely is quite skillful, and I think he can learn to play inside; (2) he has excellent work-rate, and I think Amorim will be happy with his willingness to press; (3) at least early on, Man Utd will actually be playing a lot more in the counter than Sporting CP usually does in the Portuguese League, so Garnacho will have a lot of opportunities to run.
- Bruno – My first impression is that BF will have more success as an 8 than as one of the inside forwards under Amorim. I think Bruno is most dangerous the closer he is to goal, as his main strengths are his shooting and passing ability; however, he is not an elite dribbler. Also, he often wants to come deep to get the ball, vacating the inside forward position. He has good workrate and stamina, so I think he can do a job in the box-to-box 8 role in Amorim’s system as long he keeps some positional discipline and limits the Hollywood passes. Early in the second half, Man Utd started to control the game more by having Bruno drop deeper when in possession and form more of an asymmetric 3-5-2 shape in possession. Later, when Casemiro was subbed, Bruno just become the 8. I think he should remain there…
- Amad – He has all the right skills and physical characteristics to play as a right wing-back for Ruben, and he showed them in the game's very first play. He is a similar type of player to Quenda and Geny Catamo, who’ve had great success as Amorim’s right wing-backs. However, later in the game, he seemed to be losing a bit of interest and was quite static in his positioning when off the ball. I hope that was just my impression, and not Amad not giving his 100% for not liking to be constantly in such a wide position.
- Dalot – I think he has good physical and technical attributes for the wingback position. But he seems to have very low confidence at the moment and is afraid of making mistakes. There was one play in which Garnacho was on the ball close to the line on the break with Dalot inside, and rather than making the run for the open space, Dalot preferred to just fall behind Garnacho in the wing. On defense, he also was giving up quite a bit of space to players on the ball, rather than get tight. I hope he can improve a lot…
- Hojlund – It was quite an immediate difference pressing-wise when Hojlund subbed in for Rashford. The lad seems to have quite good workrate and pace. But his decision-making was a bit poor in a couple plays, as he seemed afraid to shoot. Hope Ruben can get him to be more aggressive.
- Zirkzee – Good technique and good physicality, seemed like a player who could do well getting ball with back to goal and serving colleagues. He had a very poor shot at some point, but I think he will improve. I think Ruben may like him as a bench option for an inside forward slot.
I believe Ruben will ultimately be successful. He has implemented a style of play in Sporting that was both successful and a joy to watch, and I think he will eventually be able to implement it at Man Utd. But the path towards it may be a bit slower than my initial, overly optimistic projection...
I am horrible with typosI'd like to see a 3-4-4 too, that extra man would be handy.
I think it's too early to rule Garnacho out though. He's obviously been frustratingly inconsistent recently but he's 20 years old, we shouldn't be relying on him every week as our best attacking player, and there's plenty of time for him to adapt to a more central position.
Yeah. Amorim tends to prefer one 10 who is primarily a winger type player and the second 10 who is more of an actual 10 type player. So while both are playing as “10s” their profiles and what they offer tend to be different.Garnacho will not work as a 10. He has little vision and poor passing skills (namely the right weight of the pass).
We lose that game with Ten Hag. We win it with Ruud.
Harsh on Amad. Thought he was better than anyone outside of Onana.Mazraoui and Onana get a 6/10 and 7/10 respectively. Solid throughout.
The rest get 5's and 4's. The players didnt do enough to win the game.
Pretty average stuff
Amorim has his work cut out.
Hi all! First time posting.
I am a big Sporting Clube de Portugal fan and, given all the Ruben-Amorim hype, I watched today’s game closely. I watch Man Utd games occasionally, as I like to follow Bruno’s performances, but today I watched with the attention I usually only devote to Sporting and Portugal NT’s games. And I must say, Ruben has a lot of work to do…
Before getting into the performance of individual players, I should say that I thought the whole team seemed too tentative, too much trying to think about the correct positioning, players often too static out of the ball (players need to make their marker doubt whether they’ll be receiving the ball to feet or on space) and not enough confidence and aggressiveness on the ball. I hope that Amorim can improve this quickly, or Man Utd’s football will not be pleasing for a while.
Some thoughts on individual players:
- Rashford – He has pace and some skill. But barring a major change of attitude, I don’t think he will have what it takes to be the center forward for Amorim (or even to be in the starting squad at all). His work rate seems extremely low, as he rarely bothered to press. Also, he seems quite poor at receiving the ball with the back to goal, as both his first touch and strength are unimpressive for the role.
- Garnacho – Seemed the most dangerous player for Man Utd. Thinking about RA’s Sporting setup, I didn’t think that Garnacho would be ideal for an inside forward role, as I didn’t think he has the close control in tight spaces that best suits that role. But this game has made me change my mind about using Garnacho there for several reasons: (1) he definitely is quite skillful, and I think he can learn to play inside; (2) he has excellent work-rate, and I think Amorim will be happy with his willingness to press; (3) at least early on, Man Utd will actually be playing a lot more in the counter than Sporting CP usually does in the Portuguese League, so Garnacho will have a lot of opportunities to run.
- Bruno – My first impression is that BF will have more success as an 8 than as one of the inside forwards under Amorim. I think Bruno is most dangerous the closer he is to goal, as his main strengths are his shooting and passing ability; however, he is not an elite dribbler. Also, he often wants to come deep to get the ball, vacating the inside forward position. He has good workrate and stamina, so I think he can do a job in the box-to-box 8 role in Amorim’s system as long he keeps some positional discipline and limits the Hollywood passes. Early in the second half, Man Utd started to control the game more by having Bruno drop deeper when in possession and form more of an asymmetric 3-5-2 shape in possession. Later, when Casemiro was subbed, Bruno just become the 8. I think he should remain there…
- Amad – He has all the right skills and physical characteristics to play as a right wing-back for Ruben, and he showed them in the game's very first play. He is a similar type of player to Quenda and Geny Catamo, who’ve had great success as Amorim’s right wing-backs. However, later in the game, he seemed to be losing a bit of interest and was quite static in his positioning when off the ball. I hope that was just my impression, and not Amad not giving his 100% for not liking to be constantly in such a wide position.
- Dalot – I think he has good physical and technical attributes for the wingback position. But he seems to have very low confidence at the moment and is afraid of making mistakes. There was one play in which Garnacho was on the ball close to the line on the break with Dalot inside, and rather than making the run for the open space, Dalot preferred to just fall behind Garnacho in the wing. On defense, he also was giving up quite a bit of space to players on the ball, rather than get tight. I hope he can improve a lot…
- Hojlund – It was quite an immediate difference pressing-wise when Hojlund subbed in for Rashford. The lad seems to have quite good workrate and pace. But his decision-making was a bit poor in a couple plays, as he seemed afraid to shoot. Hope Ruben can get him to be more aggressive.
- Zirkzee – Good technique and good physicality, seemed like a player who could do well getting ball with back to goal and serving colleagues. He had a very poor shot at some point, but I think he will improve. I think Ruben may like him as a bench option for an inside forward slot.
I believe Ruben will ultimately be successful. He has implemented a style of play in Sporting that was both successful and a joy to watch, and I think he will eventually be able to implement it at Man Utd. But the path towards it may be a bit slower than my initial, overly optimistic projection...
I think the same with Casemiro. His first year here he did seem to still have the legs. Similar with Eriksen. Then injuries to both seem to have taken that yard off them. Casemiro seems to still be able to affect games and dies off after an hour, but Eriksen just watches the game go past him now. Can still provide quality on the ball, but when you look at the better teams than us, they don't carry players, because they have players who provide quality on the ball AND can cover ground quickly, so they don't need to compromise. Not only that but they will pounce on any weakness like that very quickly.
Think we saw that yesterday with Evans. Don't think he's a bad footballer or even had a bad game but as soon as they realised he had to give them space, that was where the ball was being played, and then he was constantly chasing shadows about. This was a team in 18th place who just got promoted, realising they could pick us off because we couldn't cope with their fitness/physicality levels in an area of the pitch. That is not good.
Its all fairly obvious stuff that we've been saying on here for over a year now as well, but nothing will change until we move away from picking players just because they are there and can play in a certain position, or are "good professionals". Ronaldo was a good professional yet we decided he didn't fit because he couldn't cover the ground. One of the greatest players ever, and we (correctly) prioritised the team over him due to his age and ability (or lack of) to press consistently. Somehow we went from that to relying on Johnny Evans and tolerating Rashford walking about in the space of less than a year.
There needs to be a base line in terms of the response, fitness and physicality level, and if a player is below it they should be outside of contention, regardless of who else is available. Until you have that standard it doesn't exist for any of the players, and they also wont be able to believe in what the manager is trying to do because invariably in the PL that would involve consistent levels of work and physicality throughout the team. If you have 10 players pressing or closing down space as part of a unit and 1 who can't, it isn't going to work and the result is none of them will do it because the opposition will pick off the weak link.
Not a criticism of Amorim at all as he's had barely a week to tran with the players and is only going to find out things by trying them in games, but its something where I really hope he backs up what he's said about the importance of fitness/physicality and the team functioning as one unit. ETH said all these things and DID implement it for a time, but then it seemed to die a death. Same to an extent with Ole. I don't think its the players being lazy. Its when the manager drifts away from the principles and the plan as a result stops working, and then the players will give up on it sooner or later.
Drifting a million miles away from post match talk here. but still
Anthony Taylor