[Camilo]

I felt much happier watching us play today. I feel I know where we stand as a team - we matched up to Chelsea for large parts of the game away from home. We ultimately weren't as good, and in an attacking sense we are weak, but I feel confident after watching that that we'll be easy top 4 this year. Mkhi is useless and needs sold, and Herrera is not a patch on Pogba - we knew this already.

We had a go today, we came to play. We lost, but then again we're not quite as good as Chelsea. This felt like Jose trying to do the right thing though - it's all good. But finding some attacking fluidity is a must. We should have scored in the last 10 minutes though - they were backing right off and we didn't have the composure to do anything about it. I'm not sure I saw Lukaku, Rashford or Martial touch the ball in open play while we were pushing for that equalizer, it was all "Matic, to Herrera, to Valencia, to Smalling.." - where were our so called creative players? (Standing in the fecking box - we'd have been better putting Jones, Smalling and Bailly in the box if that's all they were there to do). Matic isn't going to conjure something out of nothing.

 

[crossy1686]

We need strenthening in January on the wing or attacking midfeild.

Heard we're still interested in signing Perisic. How many in here would call it an underwhelming signing now? Notching up assists like no ones business in Serie A

 

[Nate Dogg]

Mourinho is fckn clueless, tactically inept and above all a miserable piece of turd.

It's no wonder he is classed as anti football.

 

[Alexrad]

Commendable effort seeing we played with 10 men for 60 minutes since Mkhi was on the pitch.

 

[Son Of Sam]

You win some, you lose some. We are always shit at Stamford Bridge. Always.
Still early November, Pogba will surely come back for the next game and Ibra isn't far off. Things will get better.
I still have faith for the title, if we lose against City then, for me, it's over.
Keep the faith.

If Pogba didn’t come back for this, I think you are being optimistic to think he will play before Christmas. There’s something strange about his injury. This was supposed to take 2 weeks......

 

[prtk0811]

Heard we're still interested in signing Perisic. How many in here would call it an underwhelming signing now? Notching up assists like no ones business in Serie A

I'd pay 50 m for Sanchez not him.

 

[Litch]

We know we weren't even close to the finish article. Just too many vanilla players and whilst makes for a solid squad, the lack in quality is massive. We need LB, RB, RW and number 10 for starters.

 

[No11]

What do you mean, 'strangling United'?

I'm hardly a Mourinho apologist but the fact there has been such an uproar on here over a 1-0 loss away to Chelsea is utterly baffling, in my opinion.

Never felt he was the right fit for United.
Classless, arrogant cnut whose brand of football is on the whole boring.
I honestly cant see him winning the title here, but it wont be his fault.

 

[reelworld]

Another disappointing day.

Mkhi is obviously most of note. He was just an absolute passenger here. I’d be interested to know whether the manager is happy with his work, whether he is delivering to his instruction. Today he just dawdled forward when we had the ball and dawdled back when we didn’t. You compare what Hazard offered Chelsea to what Mkhi offered us. It was absolutely pathetic. There was no sense in him being a creator, a runner with the ball, a fulcrum between the holding midfielders and the attack, or even a hard-working pressing midfielder. We may have well played with 10 men. I was delighted when we signed him, but now I’ve never been more disappointed with a signing – and that is saying something considering how Di Maria and Falcao were here.

Lukaku looked hungry early on but again disappointed. I’ve said from that start that I remain unconvinced. I just don’t see him as our main goalscorer for next five or six seasons and winning multiple titles and plenty of cups in that time. He looks as if he would be excellent in a team with a deep defensive line, so when he receives the ball he has space to move into and the strength to shrug defenders off. He lacks any sort of offering in a congested final third. I thought we learnt years ago that even with a goalscorer of Ruud’s quality, that just scoring goals is not enough.

Ridiculous, we won the league with Ruud. He is actually an example that you can win the league if you got the proper tactics and team

 

[AndyMUFC]

That was absolute garbage bar the first 20 minutes or so. Looked like a pub team that couldn't keep the ball or create anything, and that was against a side that have been struggling lately too.

I don't t even think it's anything to do with being defensive or going for it, the team that went out there today is just nowhere near good enough and the likes of Jones, Smalling, Young, Herrera and Mkhi prove it constantly.

 

[Sandikan]

Valencia can't cross and has regressed in attacking sense. The other is probably the best crosser in our team (which also says something) but is inverted winger and will always try to put the ball on his preferred foot, so it's much easier to close him down. Especially, in such tight games like this one.

Not pointing the blame on them as I just don't think they have the ability to perform at the highest level in such formation.

Off to a beer...

Much prefer them as fullbacks, as less is expected attacking wise, and Young can surprise us with the odd good cross, rather than frustrate us when we need more.

Need a confidence booster next game, Pogba back would do that. Need Lukaku back on the goal trail too as he's looked a lumbering stranger for a few games recently too.

 

[tonnas]

1st half was not bad, 2nd half was a horror show apart from the last few mins. International break well welcomed, hopefully pogba will be back and we should gain some points on the top 4 challengers with arsenal vs spurs and then liverpool vs chelsea. !

 

[NinjaFletch]

Ridiculous, we won the league with Ruud. He is actually an example that you can win the league if you got the proper tactics and team

We also won it a lot more frequently before he turned up and after he left.

I liked Ruud a lot, but it's hardly 'ridiculous' that he might not have been the best fit for us as a striker.

 

[deafepl]

I'd pay 50 m for Sanchez not him.

Ew, no. Did you saw his performance against City? he passed to City player on counter many.

 

[Spirit of Solskjaer]

Did you just watch the game? We are getting further and further behind City playing poor football, and you and others like you with the rose coloured specs on cant see any wrong. The bit about the early form I agree with may happen with Pogba back as he is the driving force from midfield, but it will be too late by then

I said in the very post you quoted that we got what we deserved from this game, how is that having rose couloured specs on? I just can't stand the constant moaning in this place and the cheap digs at our own players at every opportunity, they're nothing more than a childish emotional reaction to not getting instant gratification, hence the bit about the mental age here. We're playing poor football, because Pogba pretty much is our football and he's out. We've tried our best to slog along without him, but it hasn't produced many results and now people are throwing their toys out the pram. Meanwhile City have a fit squad and are playing well, but what can we do about it? We just need to hope that they'll have a dip in form like the one we're having right now, and the points difference will melt away. So maybe just actually support the team you're supposed to be supporting and see what happens.

 

[GrandJury]

Almightiest name on redcafe goes to you. Imposing.

The Big Guy aren’t you

Is it though?

I’m not sure JM has adapted as time has gone on. Managers should always be able to change with the times but I don’t think Jose has at all.

He looks like he is getting a bit left behind at the moment

We’ll see

 

[Irrational.]

Conte post match: "It's not important (to shake Jose's hand). You have to earn respect on the pitch, not off the pitch."

He's a bit of a knob, isn't he?

 

[Sandikan]

Biggest problem for me is that 'feeling' that I get about this current United team. Its never a 'we're as good if not better that this lot' (Chelsea/Liverpool/City/Arsenal/Spurs) as it was under Fergie where you went into a match knowing it was 50/50 but you could win because you were good enough.
No, now its 'we might wing this one but I know we could easily lose it', a feeling that I know deep down were papering over the cracks. That when other big teams play us they seem to psychologically beat us before we step onto the pitch. I just dont have a good trust feeling about United at the moment (and havent for a few seasons)

As i said in another post our problem is that technically you could argue that we havent actually bought anyone to improve the team. We bought players to replace outgoing players...Matic for Carrick...Lukaku for Ibra...etc we never started with a solid team and then went right, in comes another striker..in comes another world class midfielder...in come another world class winger. We just bought like for like.

City went out and spent £250m on a defence alone and wether you agree with that or not the point still stands that they 'added' rather than simply replaced or swapped like we did.

For me we are a long way from being a side where i look at the first eleven and still get excited looking at the subs bench. I dont even get excited looking at the first 11 these days. Its mediocre across the board. Ive been saying for 5-6 years now we need a completely new midfield. And i mean a break the bank midfield.

But what guts me the most is this. We are United. One of if not the biggest club in the world. Why arent we competing like the biggest club in the world? Teams arent frightened of us anymore. Weve gone from being the Mike Tyson everyone feared before stepping into the ring to the Mike Tyson after he lost to Buster Douglas. No one was scared of him ever again after that and i fear weve become that.

I'll make a prediction now that everyone will hate (myself included) but we ought to get prepared for a City Treble winning year. Because the way they are playing they are more than capable of doing it and no one (excpet maybe PSG) will stop them. We certainly wont. We are simply too average.

I know you're upset, we all are after that garbage.

But think of what you're saying. It doesn't make sense.

We spent probably the 2nd highest of any team this summer. If that's not competing like a huge club what is?

We're still 2nd in the league. How are we average?

Yes we could do with a rethink in the big aways, hopefully it'll get better once our best player comes back. That can only help!

We're definitely not quite there though, Jose himself says he needs a third summer window.
Left back, "Big" attacking quality player being the 2 essential next steps.

 

[prtk0811]

Ew, no. Did you saw his performance against City? he passed to City player on counter many.

Don't judge him on one game. His head is not in arsenal.

 

[Rake]

At least we got to see the ref outpacingLingard which was quite funny.

 

[blurryface]

Excellent game played by us today. United fans shouldn't be this hard on the team as very few teams have dominated us at Stamford Bridge over the years. Although I must admit I would expect much more fluency and zest from the a team that has spent millions on players.

Mourinho isn't very gracious at accepting a loss. He tries to blame everyone else but himself, such is his ego. It is one of the reasons why he doesn't last long at any of his clubs.

 

[Sandikan]

Conte post match: "It's not important (to shake Jose's hand). You have to earn respect on the pitch, not off the pitch."

He's a bit of a knob, isn't he?

An absolute bell end.
We'll enjoy his tears when it inevitably goes wrong.

 

[prtk0811]

Mourinho is fckn clueless, tactically inept and above all a miserable piece of turd.

It's no wonder he is classed as anti football.

And something about our players?

 

[GrandJury]

Conte post match: "It's not important (to shake Jose's hand). You have to earn respect on the pitch, not off the pitch."

He's a bit of a knob, isn't he?

Anyone who wears a wig is a cock.

 

[prtk0811]

Had the best match as per predictions 17 points

 

[haram]

If you judge teams by how they respond to adversity that was a painful last 30 mins. Depressing how reliant on long ball tactics this team are, hoof and hope for the breaks. Midfield imploded, Matic looked laboured all day, pace of the game was too much for him, perhaps worn out by overuse. Herrera was dire.

Well when you rely on Pogba for creativity and he isn't playing, that's what happens.

 

[Werd.]

Conte post match: "It's not important (to shake Jose's hand). You have to earn respect on the pitch, not off the pitch."

He's a bit of a knob, isn't he?

What a turd of a bloke.

 

[prtk0811]

Jose mourinho needs to stop defending these players now, now have to take them to sword.

Saf way.

 

[JB08]

Never felt he was the right fit for United.
Classless, arrogant cnut whose brand of football is on the whole boring.
I honestly cant see him winning the title here, but it wont be his fault.

Well I think it's now clear exactly who is overreacting.

 

[PK007]

Ive always said its very simple to work out. Name a player, any player, and just ask yourself 'Are they good enough to play at xxxxx or would xxxxx buy them from United?' So in this case lets say xxxxx is Real Madrid but you can choose any top side you like...so here goes

Lingard?...no
Mikh? ... no
Valencia?.....no
Jones?...no
Smalling?....no
Young?....no

And yet we see them as first team regulars in one way or another.

We're about £300million in signings behind most major clubs. Its easy to get emotionally attached and defend the team and trust me, i love United and always will. But im not blinkered or blinded enough by loyalty to defend something I know just isnt good enough at the moment.
We can get there, but we wont with these players. Simple as that.

 

[reelworld]

We also won it a lot more frequently before he turned up and after he left.

I liked Ruud a lot, but it's hardly 'ridiculous' that he might not have been the best fit for us as a striker.

I am not really sure that United won league before and after Ruud was here is any way related to the fact that when Ruud scored lots of goals we won a league title. There are many other problems with the squad when he was here. Him being a goalscorer isn't one

 

[Nate Dogg]

Sometimes i wonder what we do in training all week...quite obvious its fck all!!!!!

 

[redahair]

That was absolute garbage bar the first 20 minutes or so. Looked like a pub team that couldn't keep the ball or create anything, and that was against a side that have been struggling lately too.

I don't t even think it's anything to do with being defensive or going for it, the team that went out there today is just nowhere near good enough and the likes of Jones, Smalling, Young, Herrera and Mkhi prove it constantly.

Jones is awfull looks like a pub player a bad one at that.fighting for top 4 now

 

[Owngoalscorer]

Knees jerking in many Man Utd households across the world.. Good first ten - good last ten --hapless performances from maybe five players but we've seen much much worse. & I'm sure we will see far worse in the future - notably in just over a month. For me this was slightly better than the liverpool performance despite earning a point less.. If, & its a big if we had managed to snatch a point here in the last few moments I would have been far more pleased than with the Anfield match dross

 

[Steven Seagull]

World class attacking today against a formidable team who never lose. You are all just haters

 

[Bobski]

Well when you rely on Pogba for creativity and he isn't playing, that's what happens.

Don't buy that. There should still be a structure and a fluency to the play even without one magic individual. If we looked good but were struggling alone for a final ball that would be one thing but what is our style of play? Hit the channels, play off breaks, press and play in transition. It is scrappy, relying on moments of individuality rather than any level of coherence.

I hear a lot of people cry about City and the money they have spent(As if Utd have been in any way paupers in recent years) but forgot them. Are we seeing enough based on the resources Utd have, is a team developing, a style of play we can move forward with or are we just waiting to throw another few hundred million at it?

 

[prtk0811]

The relative energy and workrate and quality on the ball as compared to other top teams is very low.

I have not seen our midfeild win any duels and first and second balls in big games.

 

[No11]

Well I think it's now clear exactly who is overreacting.

This is not something I have came up with after 1 match.

Have a look.

 

[prtk0811]

Do we even know how to beat offside traps?

 

[gibers]

Conte post match: "It's not important (to shake Jose's hand). You have to earn respect on the pitch, not off the pitch."

He's a bit of a knob, isn't he?

Mou is by far the biggest knob. Conte doesn't have to shake his hand. He's being taking snipes at them since last season.