[WR10]

Jose clearly wanted out of the cup. Didn't really bother to throw the sink at the end

 

[UnitedForever147]

Rojo had a fantastic game, De Gea, Young did very well aswell. Rashford worked hard. Pogba was terrible tonight, he needs a prolonged rest.

Pogba has taken his rest all season. I would love to know what he is meant to be good at....

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Not that bothered. Harsh on Herrera ultimately but at the same time he was stupid to put that tackle in literally 2 seconds after the ref had stopped play to talk to Jones and Smalling. He almost had no choice.

Pogba was always going to struggle in a 10 man team against that formation. Should have done better on Kante though, fair enough, but then who expected Kante to hit that? He looked tired, he's played probably more minutes than anyone.

Rojo is awesome. So too Valencia.

Thought we did well ultimately, they didn't really have that many chances despite 70% possession, and if Rashford had of converted would have been extra time.

Bring on be more important competition on Thursday. That one I'll be pissed about going out in.

Did Jones and Smalling go over to Herrera to tell him what Oliver had said?

 

[Triple.Threat]

I thought Jose had a game plan which might have worked till Oliver decided the game.

For Pogba critics how was he suppose to play tonight when we went down to 10 men? Tonight was not the game to judge any player by, as soon as Herrera was sent off it was very hard to execute our game plan and play our game.

Let's move on.

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

...Jogba...

I hadn't heard that yet. Have to laugh...

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I'm unsure of your point, Pogue.

Is it that we never had a chance, when reduced to ten? If so, I would suggest being reduced to ten was our own fault.

Of course it was our own fault. Well, specifically Ander Hererra's fault.

We coped well enough 11v10 fwiw but they're a damn good team under Conte, so it was an uphill task. They were deserved favourites to win even without the red card. Absolutely nothing to be ashamed of in our performance or tactics, though. At any point in the game.

 

[prtk0811]

When your winning every thing gets neglected, when you are loosing even unlucky things are discussed.

 

[prtk0811]

Today i am not even sure until now what formation did we play

 

[stepic]

Did Jones and Smalling go over to Herrera to tell him what Oliver had said?

Jones had just fouled Hazard. He didn't need to be told, he just needed to be a bit smarter in that exact moment.

 

[Betson]

Pogba has taken his rest all season. I would love to know what he is meant to be good at....

Seemingly he is good on social media , some contrast with him and Kante. Kante looked head and shoulders above him as a player in the Euro's in the summer and he still does now.

 

[red_john]

I thought Jose had a game plan which might have worked till Oliver decided the game.

For Pogba critics how was he suppose to play tonight when we went down to 10 men? Tonight was not the game to judge any player by, as soon as Herrera was sent off it was very hard to execute our game plan and play our game.

Let's move on.

Finally a sensible comment

 

[Virgil]

Given that we were up against the best team in the league this year and away from home and down to 10 men for two thirds of the game we did as well as could be expected. Up until the sending off we were matching them toe to toe. Very impressed with the defensive display particularly Rojo, Valencia and De Gea.

 

[Janson]

We haven't been unbeaten in all comps since the defeat in League cup but I guess you know that.

But Mourinho didn't count that, which means we were unbeaten until now I think, that is if he's even aknowledging this loss.

 

[Grylte]

Not a stamp at all.

He's in midair, if he lands on that leg and puts his weight on it Hazard would have been doubled over in agony. As it was he wasn't even scratched.

Thought Valencia was lucky to not get yellow, was a dangerous tackle, had he hit the leg, would been a clear red card.
Didn't see the Rojo one.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Jones had just fouled Hazard. He didn't need to be told, he just needed to be a bit smarter in that exact moment.

If he didn't know what Oliver had said he wouldn't be thinking the ref was going to do what he did, especially when it wasn't a deserving a yellow. Maybe some of these referees need investigating.

 

[prtk0811]

We Created One chance todaywhat too by david luiz error

 

[Jazz]

The first card wasn't a yellow. Herrera stood still. Hazard ran into him and he fell like he stepped on a land mine. What was Herrera supposed to do? Vaporise so Hazard can run past him?

I don't know why experienced referees fall for that trick. Just because a player is trying to complete a 1-2 pass does not give him the right to walk through defenders in a stationary position.

Oliver ruined this game.

That may be so, however, Ander needed to be smarter than that. Everyone and their dog knows this ref in particular don't give us anything, so why give him a reason to get card happy? Refs are immune from any consequences it seems regardless of their shit decisions. It sucks, but you just have to be smart and not provoke the situation, as best you can. Hazard wasn't close to our penalty area for e.g., so Ander could have played it cool there. It's all about being aware and choosing your moments.
Look I love Ander, but he needs to have more control, regardless of the shit refs.

 

[DOTA]

Of course it was our own fault. Well, specifically Ander Hererra's fault.

We coped well enough 11v10 fwiw but they're a damn good team under Conte, so it was an uphill task. They were deserved favourites to win even without the red card. Absolutely nothing to be ashamed of in our performance or tactics, though. At any point in the game.

I just feel we offered nothing, after the red. Also, I do attest the sending off more to the tactics than Herrera.

We just sat back, doing nothing. I'd rather try to equalise, knowing we're at increased risk of conceding a second, than accept a 1-0 defeat.

 

[Roboc7]

Thought we had a good chance until the sending off, fellaini sub was totally pointless as well which didn't help. Can't really fault the team really Chelsea are a good side and given our schedule and the players missing it was always going to be tough.

Least it didn't go to extra time and in truth it will give us a better chance of winning the Europa now which is more important.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

If he didn't know what Oliver had said he wouldn't be thinking the ref was going to do what he did, especially when it wasn't a deserving a yellow. Maybe some of these referees need investigating.

Did you hear what Oliver said? I didn't. I knew damn well what he was saying though. How thick does someone have to be to see that exchange and not work out what he was warning us about?

 

[Eire Red United]

He doesn't need to say anything.

Thats what he tries to do but journalists try to force him into criticsing the ref to create controversy.

 

[Salus Populi Suprema Lex]

It was game over the moment Herrera walked. We battled well and showed the character you would expect of a Mourinho side.

The second yellow for Herrera was incredibly soft, and I'm not having the guff from Lineker and his pals about Jones just having been spoken to. That's irrelevant, as Phil Neville rightly said.

Conte was a disgrace with his constant screaming for bookings, complete with waving imaginary cards.

The away support was outstanding once again. Top marks.

Anyway, the Europa League is much more important to us this season. Top four by league position is still on, and the Europa a second bite at Champions League qualification.

Michael Oliver is a tool as well.

 

[Son Of Sam]

Given that we were up against the best team in the league this year and away from home and down to 10 men for two thirds of the game we did as well as could be expected. Up until the sending off we were matching them toe to toe. Very impressed with the defensive display particularly Rojo, Valencia and De Gea.

I agree with you.
Kante was pretty anonymous before the sending off. After the sending off, it was always going to be an uphill task for us.

10 against 11 + away from home + a shitty referee. We did well keeping the score line respectable. A better finish from Rashford and we might be having a shootout as we speak.

 

[Eire Red United]

Did Jones and Smalling go over to Herrera to tell him what Oliver had said?

No , but they didn't go over to me either and I figured it out from here ok. Having said that, never a red card.

 

[Son Of Sam]

We Created One chance todaywhat too by david luiz error

Mkhitaryan's shot in the first half was a created chance. Cynical much?

 

[red_john]

another thing.....how annoying and cringy is Gary fcking Lineker. Up Chelsea's arse from the beginning.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Did you hear what Oliver said? I didn't. I knew damn well what he was saying though. How thick does someone have to be to see that exchange and not work out what he was warning us about?

Why is only Hazard protected? So if Costa was putting it about that is OK?

 

[mancan92]

This is why the arsenal vs Munich result was such a joke. Look at how we played down to 10 and look how they played. I'm truly proud of the team tonight. Except pogba honestly the guy needs to wake up. Constantly not turning up when we need him.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Game plan is working and.... red card.

Great effort though, we had a great go at Chelsea, just like how SAF always set up against Arsenal, high press, hard tackles n tackles, attack and attackno fear.

On the bright side, many of our players finally showed fireespecially Antonio Valencia, never seen him play like that before, impressive, give him the capt armband.

 

[Mibabalou]

Down a man for 2/3 of the match. We did all we really could have. We kept it close and did what we could the last 10 mins. We were doing fine 11v11. Both were soft yellow on Herrera so I won't critizize him too much.

De Dea and Rojo played fastasitc Rashford was as good as he could be, Pogba struggled which he will when he's asked to do everything.

It's a tough one to swallow but we need to regroup and get ready for Rostov.

 

[prtk0811]

Even with 10 minutes to go? What are you frightened of...losing 2 nil? Sorry...would rather of had a 10 minute press...anyone would think we were happy to lose 1 nil.

presswith lethrgic fallani and pogba? on kante and matic? their one tough football would have ensured we go beat by bigger margin

 

[royboy16]

Jose clearly wanted out of the cup. Didn't really bother to throw the sink at the end

I don't think he wanted another 4-0 either whihc we would have been vulnerable to throwing the kitchen sink.

 

[Isotope]

Of course it was our own fault. Well, specifically Ander Hererra's fault.

We coped well enough 11v10 fwiw but they're a damn good team under Conte, so it was an uphill task. They were deserved favourites to win even without the red card. Absolutely nothing to be ashamed of in our performance or tactics, though. At any point in the game.

Nah. We couldn't keep the ball well. And all we did just launch it up front like the old Stoke. Even DDG didn't bother to build the game from the back. It was a fecking shite performance.

 

[Tapori]

I had to post to say how disappointed I am in the referee. Never 2 yellows.
1st one. No. Hazard simply runs into Herrera. What should Herrera do as he stands his ground. Roll out the red carpet and say
"Ooh here you go, I'll be getting out the way. On you stroll." Pathetic from the Ref.

The second was even worse; Yes Hazard had been fouled multiple times, but that challenge was not a yellow esp. a second yellow. You cannot use previous challenges from different players to call it.
Ruined the entire game. If anything when a player is on a yellow Refs usually are more cautious issuing second helpings. He is terrible.

We setup initially brilliantly with Jose matching Conte and we had the surprising edge. Conte in his post match admitted "We couldn't play," because we pressed brilliantly. Ruud "Sexy Football" Gullit was even impressed.
And so they did the trick of getting a man sent off because they couldn't live with that in your face approach for the whole match. Chelsea believe me, will be found out next season if they don't come up with a plan B. Kante is a top player, but he met his match today before the Red.

Any youngster here who thinks Mourinho's style is not in keeping with how "United Play" needs to thoroughly watch our old-school Arsenal encounters and full seasons under Fergie; Feisty, combative and a real War of attrition and finesse.

Either challenge was debatable. All this "But Herrera should have..." is ridiculously harsh. You want him to play like a ghost? You would hate to watch Keane i guess.
Refs subsequent decision to not dish out more yellows for worse tackles, showed that in his mind he knows he got it wrong.

So pleased for the lads; Playing against Chelsea is not easy and esp. after our tight run of games, and with 10 men we played brilliantly. De Gea will be absolutely disgusted with himself. Was wrong footed for a split second and lost a bit of reach to save that one. Inches.

Is the forum full of kids, because I can't see why the digs at Young and Co.
Almost every player worked their socks off.
Fellaini for once in midfield and under pressure, didn't foul like a pillock.
Young shackled Moses brilliantly.
Jones, Rojo and Smalling did very well in defence, all covering each other. A back 3 will become a serious option with the addition of a better centre back in the Summer.
Valencia was a man possessed.
Rashford. So close. He will get even better.

However one man has to take a long hard look at himself: Pogba.
I remember the "Baby Elephant" thread and I am afraid that Pogba has to do more; Not because of his pricetag, just in comparison to other players in making the right decisions on the pitch. He was vocal but wasn't leading on the pitch. He needs better tactical awareness. All too often goes for individual tricks when a clever simple pass or simple rifling shot would do much more damage.
Needs to go away to the Lake District in the Summer and study in solitude.

His shot on that edge of the box was shocking; They are the match defining moments.
As was the amount of times we had a break on and he made the wrong decision.

Overall, I am really heartened by the performance. So pleased that the lads who came in did a good job and that we adapted and used different tactics to nullify Chelsea.
I am confident that with just a few tweaks and signings we will be able to play a number of different ways next season and mount a serious push on all 4 fronts.

Onwards to Europa; We simply have to win, as our league form is far too erratic for us to finish 4th.
Plus I'd love to travel to Sweden.

Special Mention: Fans. As a Manc in London, our guys were brilliant especially the Red Flag chant at the end. Superb.

 

[prtk0811]

Smalling needs to be stripped of captaincy. Also herrera is the next Roy keane

 

[Catt]

Surprisingly, he was. But we'll get a better idea in the post-match interview.

He's been mostly very calm so far.

 

[prtk0811]

Mkhitaryan's shot in the first half was a created chance. Cynical much?

No realistic

 

[AndyMUFC]

Gave it a go for half an hour but the Herrera sending off killed it. Can say what you want about it being a harsh second yellow but he was daft enough to do it. We kept going but didn't have enough creativity on the pitch to create anything other than the Rashford chance.

So, it's pretty much all about the Europa League now.

 

[Treble_Winning]

Chelsea had 72% possession and 20 shots (to our 4). Yet they scored only one goal. That says it all, and indicates we played well. De Gea played very well though he could've done better on their goal, however he made a string of excellent saves.

We dominated the game until the ref decided that we should lose. When he reduced us to 10 men, we didn't crumble, and we fought valiantly. No shame in losing 0-1 away from home with 10 men. We shouldn't blame anyone today except the ref and Hazard for being a cheating diving piece of crap. What an asshole.

 

[Son Of Sam]

I had to post to say how disappointed I am in the referee. Never 2 yellows.
1st one. No. Hazard simply runs into Herrera. What should Herrera do as he stands his ground. Roll out the red carpet and say
"Ooh here you go, I'll be getting out the way. On you stroll." Pathetic from the Ref.

The second was even worse; Yes Hazard had been fouled multiple times, but that challenge was not a yellow esp. a second yellow. You cannot use previous challenges from different players to call it.
Ruined the entire game. If anything when a player is on a yellow Refs usually are more cautious issuing second helpings. He is terrible.

We setup initially brilliantly with Jose matching Conte and we had the surprising edge. Conte in his post match admitted "We couldn't play," because we pressed brilliantly. Ruud "Sexy Football" Gullit was even impressed.
And so they did the trick of getting a man sent off because they couldn't live with that in your face approach for the whole match. Chelsea believe me, will be found out next season if they don't come up with a plan B. Kante is a top player, but he met his match today before the Red.

Any youngster here who thinks Mourinho's style is not in keeping with how "United Play" needs to thoroughly watch our old-school Arsenal encounters and full seasons under Fergie; Feisty, combative and a real War of attrition and finesse.

Either challenge was debatable. All this "But Herrera should have..." is ridiculously harsh. You want him to play like a ghost? You would hate to watch Keane i guess.
Refs subsequent decision to not dish out more yellows for worse tackles, showed that in his mind he knows he got it wrong.

So pleased for the lads; Playing against Chelsea is not easy and esp. after our tight run of games, and with 10 men we played brilliantly. De Gea will be absolutely disgusted with himself. Was wrong footed for a split second and lost a bit of reach to save that one. Inches.

Is the forum full of kids, because I can't see why the digs at Young and Co.
Almost every player worked their socks off.
Fellaini for once in midfield and under pressure, didn't foul like a pillock.
Young shackled Moses brilliantly.
Jones, Rojo and Smalling did very well in defence, all covering each other. A back 3 will become a serious option with the addition of a better centre back in the Summer.
Valencia was a man possessed.
Rashford. So close. He will get even better.

However one man has to take a long hard look at himself: Pogba.
I remember the "Baby Elephant" thread and I am afraid that Pogba has to do more; Not because of his pricetag, just in comparison to other players in making the right decisions on the pitch. He was vocal but wasn't leading on the pitch. He needs better tactical awareness. All too often goes for individual tricks when a clever simple pass or simple rifling shot would do much more damage.
Needs to go away to the Lake District in the Summer and study in solitude.

His shot on that edge of the box was shocking; They are the match defining moments.
As was the amount of times we had a break on and he made the wrong decision.

Overall, I am really heartened by the performance. So pleased that the lads who came in did a good job and that we adapted and used different tactics to nullify Chelsea.
I am confident that with just a few tweaks and signings we will be able to play a number of different ways next season and mount a serious push on all 4 fronts.

Onwards to Europa; We simply have to win, as our league form is far too erratic for us to finish 4th.
Plus I'd love to travel to Sweden.

Special Mention: Fans. As a Manc in London, our guys were brilliant especially the Red Flag chant at the end. Superb.

Excellent post!

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Nah. We couldn't keep the ball well. And all we did just launch it up front like the old Stoke. Even DDG didn't bother to build the game from the back. It was a fecking shite performance.

Nonsense.