[RedDevil5]

wut? 2k

Very well could be coming from Asia or the Americas for the game.

 

[buckooo1978]

when you have every player bar De Gea performing at a sub-standard rate and boring football is the norm the manager has to take responsibility too

players were awful tonight and Mourinho was probably justified in slating them but I am generally fed up with Jose and he's not getting enough out of the side

does anyone on here actually think we can win the league under him or is the answer that we need another 6/7 players

 

[The Mad Manc]

Worst display of the season. Pathetic

There are a few contenders for that title

 

[Henry Gaervell]

My last post, due to restrictions.

It isn't the manager, It's the absolute dross performance by individual players that cost us the loss. I can't believe how much hope people put into the likes of Martial and Rashford. They are squad players. Nothing more, nothing less. I've said it loads of times. It's either time to loan them out or get shut. Lingard falls into that category too. Just get rid of Fellaini, and Darmian. Sell Shaw too. Just not good enough to take us to the places we NEED to be.

Disagree.

I fully recognise it was below par team performance and some individuals were awful, but made a very bad decision with his right flank. Playing matic and fellani together also meant we lacked energy in midfield, something jose should have recognised

 

[VivaObertan]

wut? 2k

Renewed my season tickets today plus £250 on 2 tickets for the final.

 

[The Real Treble 99]

Only positive from the game, I thought Smalling kept Murray (United Fan) at bay for the whole match.

 

[Henry Gaervell]

when you have every player bar De Gea performing at a sub-standard rate and boring football is the norm the manager has to take responsibility too

players were awful tonight and Mourinho was probably justified in slating them but I am generally fed up with Jose and he's not getting enough out of the side

does anyone on here actually think we can win the league under him or is the answer that we need another 6/7 players

I think he can win it. Another 3 and 4 players and we should be there

It does require him to:
- recognise the need to play right wingers
- ensure there is consistent motivation for every game
- be bolder in killing off teams (gear factor) and going more positive against the big boys

If he can't do the above, then I would not hesitate to sack him. He has a year

 

[lsd]

I cannot agree that Lukaku has been that good this season. He is just as crap and as inconsistent as the rest of the squad and he was consistent supported and played through his bad form by the manager and our attack is only built for him to score.

He would have passed to Martial that's for certain.

It's not the managers fault Mata was awful all game and it's not the managers fault Rashford is brainless and selfish.

 

[AlwaysRed66]

The three players substituted should never have started, & hopefully none will be here next season.

 

[RedDevil5]

Pretty much half the players that played tonight need to be sold

 

[The Mad Manc]

It’s got to be more than this, cmon. So the players can only perform if Jose motivates them enough? That’s depressing. They need to be accountable for their own performances.

Agreed. You would think being chosen to start a game for United would be motivation enough.

 

[Jeffthered]

Rashford and Martial I'd imagine.

Always distance yourself from the bad performance eh Jose? You have had those players for TWO YEARS. But no, nothing to do with Jose. '..it's all the players. I see them most days, every week... I set out the coaching () and playing strategy, especially how we should attack teams and break them down... but when it looks like utter sh*t, then it's nothing to do with. Blame Pogba. Shaw. Some players... anyone... I won eight titles...'

Look at how his team plays. And this was no surprise.

 

[Mozza]

This is Mouriniho, this is his football. He doesn't care if the player has potential. Rashford and Martial are being badly directed, pace to burn and they constantly come short to feet. He only wants the finished article.

We are not going to buy a dozen new players, he has to get a tune from his reserves or next season an injury to his new favourites will be a disaster, because then he'll have to rely on these players who he hasn't any interest in training

 

[VeevaVee]

Rashford and Martial I'd imagine.

Christ. I can't see how Martial has a way back after that. Obviously not just aimed at him, but a good amount of it surely.

 

[Mozza]

Under Mourinho:

When we win we are lucky.
When we lose we are crap.

It's never:

When we win we are awesome
When we lose we're unlucky

Because we weren't unlucky today. Their keeper barely had a save to make

 

[Random Task]

The lack of movement and energy in midfield was the crux of the problem tonight. So laboured and nonchalant, like they were being forced to play against their will. Performances like that make for painful viewing.

Lingard changed the game when he came on for Fellaini, though. What he lacks in technical ability, he makes up for with his desire and willingness to perform beyond expectation (not to mention his quite frankly outstanding movement in and around the box) and that kind of passion has a positive affect on his team mates. They instantly raised their energy levels the moment he came on the pitch and we began to show a little more penetration going forward.

This team needs more Lingard's if you ask me, preferably those with more influence in the final third.

 

[The Mad Manc]

Never really remember when i last enjoyed watching football. No identity, no brand.. only fellaini and hoofball. Well that's what you get when you persist with dross like darmian mata fellaini

fecking A! And the manager doesn't want to get rid of a single one of them

 

[Kharhaz]

My last post, due to restrictions.

It isn't the manager, It's the absolute dross performance by individual players that cost us the loss. I can't believe how much hope people put into the likes of Martial and Rashford. They are squad players. Nothing more, nothing less. I've said it loads of times. It's either time to loan them out or get shut. Lingard falls into that category too. Just get rid of Fellaini, and Darmian. Sell Shaw too. Just not good enough to take us to the places we NEED to be.

Yes it is the manager. How come he can get these players to perform against the bigger clubs? Rashford scored both against us did he not? Ashley Young and co had a blinder? So yes, it is down to the manager. He needs to stop playing the blame game, look at Klopp, why do you think he doesnt play Moreno in the must win games? He is simply not good enough, but he doesnt go crying to the press when he does play him and Liverpool dont get the result. He simply gets on with motivating the squad for the next game.

All Mourinho does is complain about players not performing, anybody else would address why they are not performing then work hard to get them performing.

Dyche, Klopp, Guardiola, Howe, Pochettino, all these managers are great managers because they support the players they have, never undermine them. Mourinho not so much, he is more than happy to hang his players out to dry if it means he is in the clear after gutless performances with gutless tactics.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Tonight I'm with Jose.
Players were unxious

 

[burnageboy]

Why wont Jose take any responsibility for those kinds of performances? He can't appear to wait to just lay the blame on the shoulders of the players. Has he ever said 'Hands Up - I take the blame for that result'.........

 

[extincti fugax hominum]

Thankfully i didn't get anyone from our back five to my Fantasy Football team. Useless feckers.

 

[Stookie]

Is it wrong that I’m past caring? Was offered a ticket for this and was gutted I couldn’t go due to work. Pretty glad I didn’t now. Feel sorry for those that made the long journey for that shite.

 

[Cloud7]

It must be really inspiring to play under a manager who you know will throw you under the bus in public when results don’t go favorably. I mean, how are you supposed to give your all for a man who will tell the press “this is why this player doesn’t play”. How is that any kind of sound leadership?

On cue now someone is going to tell me Ferguson used to throw his players under the bus weekly or something like that.

 

[Class of 63]

I'm numb.

 

[Cloud7]

Is it wrong that I’m past caring? Was offered a ticket for this and was gutted I couldn’t go due to work. Pretty glad I didn’t now. Feel sorry for those that made the long journey for that shite.

Same mate. Well not the same as I don’t live in England, but I’m pretty much past caring as well. I will always watch United when they’re on, but I don’t go out of my way and put everything else on hold for it the way I used to. This evening for instance, I finished work shortly after kick off, and had the choice of rushing home to catch the game or going out to drink, and chose the latter. I just knew that the game this evening would be a mud puddle. There’s just not that much joy found in watching us these days. Seeing the red jersey will always make me happy, but what is on view is so uninspiring.

 

[Rory 7]

Mourinho forgot his banana

 

[whatwha]

The wages thing is another issue. We are in danger of becoming a club who pay significantly higher wages, where players don't feel the urgency to win because they know that win or lose they bank accounts will be well taken care of.

Another reason why putting a 29 year old Sanchez on £500k per week was a dubious proposition: it will have ramifications for the whole squad and we'll have mediocre squad members on even more insane wages than before.

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

In terms of financial power and fanbase we should be up there with Real, Barca, City and Bayern also on the playing field, but the gulf in class is just painful. We need to get a number of signings spot on this summer if we are to close the gap at least somewhat.

 

[buckooo1978]

I think he can win it. Another 3 and 4 players and we should be there

It does require him to:
- recognise the need to play right wingers
- ensure there is consistent motivation for every game
- be bolder in killing off teams (gear factor) and going more positive against the big boys

If he can't do the above, then I would not hesitate to sack him. He has a year

this is one of the key areas he is failing

I can't remember the last time we played well for a few games in a row

so many bitty performances where we get the job done in 20 mins and play the rest of the game like Van Gaals United

agree with the rest of what you said but I don't think he will change his ways... how much of our inconsistency is down to his coaching, tactics and relationship with players? These things are unlikely to change.

 

[Lawman]

It must be really inspiring to play under a manager who you know will throw you under the bus in public when results don’t go favorably. I mean, how are you supposed to give your all for a man who will tell the press “this is why this player doesn’t play”. How is that any kind of sound leadership?

On cue now someone is going to tell me Ferguson used to throw his players under the bus weekly or something like that.

Long past caring what these pampered players think. How about they actually pull their fingers out their ass and start putting in performances. Hope Jose bins a few of these guys in the summer.

 

[Raoul]

Another reason why putting a 29 year old Sanchez on £500k per week was a dubious proposition: it will have ramifications for the whole squad and we'll have mediocre squad members on even more insane wages than before.

Yes, definitely not worth it, especially since he has barely produced the goods since arriving. Good player, but definitely not the Alexis of a few years ago. Other players we are interested in (along with agents like Raoila) will see what we are paying Alexis and now expect similar wages before entertaining a move to United.

 

[Cloud7]

Long past caring what these pampered players think. How about they actually pull their fingers out their ass and start putting in performances. Hope Jose bins a few of these guys in the summer.

And I’m long past caring about our manager and his excuses when the team he trains and he sets up doesn’t perform. I hope he’s binned in the summer, which I know won’t happen, but you see, we can both not care about things and hope for things.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

So he throws a team together & it plays shite, then he justifies it by saying I told you so, strange management that.

 

[Devil may care]

Rashford and Martial I'd imagine.

Yet the 3 worst performers on the pitch were Matic, Pogba and Fellaini, 2 of whom he starts all of the time.

 

[Full bodied red]

Only half-decent thing about tonight is that we know who WON'T be in the starting line-up at Wembley.


Darmian > Valencia - who is already on the watch list to be replaced in summer
Rojo > Jones - if he can get / stay fit till then
Shaw > Young - tough, I like him, but...
Fellaini > Hererra - but blows hot and cold
Mata > Lingard - wouldn't get a regular game at any other of the Top 5 clubs
Rashford > Lukaku - let's just cross our fingers he doesn't have one of his ' Musical Statues without the Music ' games
Martial > Sanchez - so, so disappointing up to now, so maybe we can put one of his dogs out on the LW instead

And after tonight, Pogba as well, but nobody to fill that place.

 

[Jig1234]

I’m usually very critical of Jose’s tactics, I think we are too negative and that there isn’t enough progress with the talent we have and money spent. But I think today the players have to take some responsibility.

Both to blame. I would have more trust in Mourinho if more players looked like footballers under him. No one is thriving under him. I don't think he knows his system or best team yet. He sets up to stop the opposition. Which works for us in big games. I don't think that is going to win you a Premier League though. Klopp and Pep have a certain way of playing, that all the players buy into.

We don't enjoy watching Utd and it looks like the players don't enjoy playing for Utd either.

 

[Jig1234]

Same shite, different day. Mouriniho has got to go

Might lose MUFC Family points for this...

 

[Moriarty]

Yes, definitely not worth it, especially since he has barely produced the goods since arriving. Good player, but definitely not the Alexis of a few years ago. Other players we are interested in (along with agents like Raoila) will see what we are paying Alexis and now expect similar wages before entertaining a move to United.

I like Sanchez and a period of bedding-in is to be expected. I think he'll be a huge asset next season but, even so, I'm of the opinion he's a Woodward buy, not a Mourinho one. Likewise Pogba. Agents are doing our transfer business for us. In that respect, City have a better system in place and one we would do well to emulate. We really do need a DoF.

 

[Member 58925]

Is that guacamole? No way we were as good as guacamole.

 

[siw2007]

Both to blame. I would have more trust in Mourinho if more players looked like footballers under him. No one is thriving under him. I don't think he knows his system or best team yet. He sets up to stop the opposition. Which works for us in big games. I don't think that is going to win you a Premier League though. Klopp and Pep have a certain way of playing, that all the players buy into.

We don't enjoy watching Utd and it looks like the players don't enjoy playing for Utd either.

The lack of identity on the pitch is an issue. We look a lot better when the opposition tries to impose their game on us and we counter. But when we are expected to take the initiative, we show that we are pretty average as a team. We are slow and ponderous in possession and show few ideas, it’s been a problem all season.