[Rolaholic]

+RVP

Such a positive vibe around the club these days and everyone wants to be a part of it

God bless our bald one

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

Absolutely agree.

When Mourinho won cups and finished second in the league with us, the consensus was that he was getting results and hence we were on a upward trajectory. But the doubts lingered due to the play-style not being conducive to the present day reality, which was becoming evident at Liverpool and Man City, hence it was easy to predict a Klopp inspired Liverpool who finished below Mourinho's United, would likely go onto win the league before us, due to the foundations Klopp was putting in place. Which centred around a progressive high intensity play style, and recruitment at Liverpool reflected that.

Sokskjaer said one thing but ended up creating a team that thrived off absorbing attacks by defending in numbers whilst waiting to attack on the transition. We finished 3rd and 2nd in the league and were said to be getting results. But the reality was that we again failed to create a strong foundation which had the potential to impose our game on the opposition the way Klopp and Guardiola did. But hey, we were getting result, before the inevitable happened and things came crashing down.

Now we have a head coach whose idea correlates to the present day reality as far as wanting to impose a high intensity, attacking play style within a set of principles. And he's implementing that play style superbly well but he's also having to compromise on the build up play in possession due to the keeper. And it'll be interesting to see what happens in the summer because you need your keeper to provide the first superiority in the build up phase if the aim is to exert zonal and positional control. But that doesn't mean he won't be able to make spectacular saves along with being good on the ball.

A keeper who is weak at dominating his box and distribution, only lasts as long as the managers that are appointed by the club. It's about backing a idea to come to fruition, and ten Hag shouldn't compromise on his idea when it comes to playing the game. And I hope we bring in a keeper who aids the development of the team and helps create a strong foundation for ten Hag to impose his idea on the opponent.

Thanks for this. I am much more in the 'shot stopper' camp so this kind of explanation helps me understand some fans issues with DDG.

 

[captaincantona]

Just saw post match interview with both Fred and Bruno. Asked about the game and the result - both responded by saying we have a match Sunday that we need to think about…game over a matter of minutes and they are thinking forward. Really top attitude.

 

[Chippa62]

Seeing Sir Alex happy in the stands watching ETH and his team producing a wonderful performance, reminded me of Sir Matt doing the same thing watching Sir Alex and his team. Am I just getting giddy or are we on the way to going full circle?

 

[Tincanalley]

Seeing Sir Alex happy in the stands watching ETH and his team producing a wonderful performance, reminded me of Sir Matt doing the same thing watching Sir Alex and his team. Am I just getting giddy or are we on the way to going full circle?

Nice thought. Not the thread for thoughtful analyses of the weaknesses of particular players, in my humble opinion. This is more fun to read.

 

[Gasolin]

Can't believe we went toe to toe with a top European team over 2 matches and came out on top, United under LVG, Moyes, Ole, and Rangnick would have capitulated after the first goal but this team under ETH is a different beast altogether. Top performance from Casemiro, saved us multiple times and was everywhere on the pitch. Fred is an enigma, shows up when you are least expecting him to and turns the game around. Bruno was good too, and Antony did well too. Varane's, Licha's, Shaw's, and AWB's performance was on point. Can't believe this Barca team has conceded only 7 goals in La Liga, this team would be mid-table if they played in the Premier League.

Ole's team didn't capitulate that often. In fact, at some point, we had the most come backs in the league and we did get this come back against PSG as well. It would be good if we stop taking digs to a manager who obviously did better than most. If Ole refused CR7 instead of trying to accommodate him and goes for a Casemiro in the middle, this is a different season. And if you listen to ETH carefully, he made a point of saying that this group of players was 2nd the season before, in an attempt to erase last season from the memory. That's how we should be thinking about it as well. This season is a continuation of the 2 previous seasons before last where we were 3rd and 2nd. Now we're trying to be better.

 

[The Brown Bull]

Absolutely agree.

When Mourinho won cups and finished second in the league with us, the consensus was that he was getting results and hence we were on a upward trajectory. But the doubts lingered due to the play-style not being conducive to the present day reality, which was becoming evident at Liverpool and Man City, hence it was easy to predict a Klopp inspired Liverpool who finished below Mourinho's United, would likely go onto win the league before us, due to the foundations Klopp was putting in place. Which centred around a progressive high intensity play style, and recruitment at Liverpool reflected that.

Sokskjaer said one thing but ended up creating a team that thrived off absorbing attacks by defending in numbers whilst waiting to attack on the transition. We finished 3rd and 2nd in the league and were said to be getting results. But the reality was that we again failed to create a strong foundation which had the potential to impose our game on the opposition the way Klopp and Guardiola did. But hey, we were getting results, before the inevitable happened and things came crashing down.

Now we have a head coach whose idea correlates to the present day reality as far as wanting to impose a high intensity, attacking play style within a set of principles. And he's implementing that play style superbly well but he's also having to compromise on the build up play in possession due to the keeper. And it'll be interesting to see what happens in the summer because you need your keeper to provide the first superiority in the build up phase if the aim is to exert zonal and positional control. But that doesn't mean he won't be able to make spectacular saves along with being good on the ball.

A keeper who is weak at dominating his box and distribution, only lasts as long as the managers that are appointed by the club. It's about backing a idea to come to fruition, and ten Hag shouldn't compromise on his idea when it comes to playing the game. And I hope we bring in a keeper who aids the development of the team and helps create a strong foundation for ten Hag to impose his idea on the opponent.

Good post.

 

[DSG]

Ole's team didn't capitulate that often. In fact, at some point, we had the most come backs in the league and we did get this come back against PSG as well. It would be good if we stop taking digs to a manager who obviously did better than most. If Ole refused CR7 instead of trying to accommodate him and goes for a Casemiro in the middle, this is a different season. And if you listen to ETH carefully, he made a point of saying that this group of players was 2nd the season before, in an attempt to erase last season from the memory. That's how we should be thinking about it as well. This season is a continuation of the 2 previous seasons before last where we were 3rd and 2nd. Now we're trying to be better.

Well….

I love Ole for his service to the club, both as a player and as a manager. I think his detractors were way too harsh, but I also thought his rabid supporters were blind to his faults. I know… novel stance in this day that someone supports a viewpoint that is not extreme. Ole needed to go precisely because he couldn’t stand up to Ronaldo, because he never could’ve convinced Casemiro to come, he couldn’t instill a training regimen and rock hard philosophy or match the pre-game preparation of Ten Hag.

Ten Hag is a manager that is able to extract performances from a team greater than the sum of its parts (so far). His reclamation projects on AWB, Dalot, Rashford, hell, even DeGea are impressive. Let’s see if he can bag a trophy or two this season and hopefully kick on for next season.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Ole's team didn't capitulate that often. In fact, at some point, we had the most come backs in the league and we did get this come back against PSG as well. It would be good if we stop taking digs to a manager who obviously did better than most. If Ole refused CR7 instead of trying to accommodate him and goes for a Casemiro in the middle, this is a different season. And if you listen to ETH carefully, he made a point of saying that this group of players was 2nd the season before, in an attempt to erase last season from the memory. That's how we should be thinking about it as well. This season is a continuation of the 2 previous seasons before last where we were 3rd and 2nd. Now we're trying to be better.

I think the big difference is those come backs in the league tended to be against smaller teams and then the big wins we had against 'stronger' team were usually smash and grabs like PSG. For balance, there was that one City game we completely bossed the game albeit without the ball where McT scored his long range effort but it felt like our only hope under Ole was be compact, sit in and break on teams. This was made more frustrating because it was the opposite of what he said he was trying to do i.e. coaching an attacking, pressing team filled with youth.

 

[lonelyred]

Seeing Sir Alex happy in the stands watching ETH and his team producing a wonderful performance, reminded me of Sir Matt doing the same thing watching Sir Alex and his team. Am I just getting giddy or are we on the way to going full circle?

I had exactly the same association when I saw Sir Alex smiling and being happy in the stands last night.

 

[Gasolin]

Well….

I love Ole for his service to the club, both as a player and as a manager. I think his detractors were way too harsh, but I also thought his rabid supporters were blind to his faults. I know… novel stance in this day that someone supports a viewpoint that is not extreme. Ole needed to go precisely because he couldn’t stand up to Ronaldo, because he never could’ve convinced Casemiro to come, he couldn’t instill a training regimen and rock hard philosophy or match the pre-game preparation of Ten Hag.

Ten Hag is a manager that is able to extract performances from a team greater than the sum of its parts (so far). His reclamation projects on AWB, Dalot, Rashford, hell, even DeGea are impressive. Let’s see if he can bag a trophy or two this season and hopefully kick on for next season.

The part about CR7, why not, fair enough. We don't know if it's really about CR7 or the Glazers shoving it like they insist on keeping Martial etc... but my point is, Ole is not the gentle happy face people made him to be and he simply couldn't be or he wouldn't have got all those results and made the team work hard. I still believe we were one midfielder away. Maybe it would not have been Casemiro (but that, we don't know, cause Varane came so why not his friend Casemiro) etc... AWB people always seem to dismiss him but even under Ole, he was getting in offensive positions and Ole mentioned specifically training him for that purpose to improve that side of his game. Again, perception. Rashford and Martial has 2 of their best seasons under Ole, especially when the team scored 100+ goals in a season.

Dalot and De Gea, sure. Though De Gea did save some games, typically the Spurs game where Rashford scores and De Gea blocks everything, so it wasn't like he did nothing.

 

[Gasolin]

I think the big difference is those come backs in the league tended to be against smaller teams and then the big wins we had against 'stronger' team were usually smash and grabs like PSG. For balance, there was that one City game we completely bossed the game albeit without the ball where McT scored his long range effort but it felt like our only hope under Ole was be compact, sit in and break on teams. This was made more frustrating because it was the opposite of what he said he was trying to do i.e. coaching an attacking, pressing team filled with youth.

Fair, as I said, it's my perception of things and I don't pretend to know everything, just that I feel that Ole did put a structure and belief into players. Without that belief, they would not have played that way. Sometimes, we may have lost it, but we beat big teams as well and the team was United.

He was going on his trajectory for what he wanted and he did blend in Greenwood, even used Amad, and a bunch of youngsters even against PSG so I don't think he was not applying what he was saying. Again, one midfielder away. One Casemiro away to change a bit the way we played and progress the team. We should have refused to get CR7 at all cost and go for that midfielder.

 

[Tincanalley]

Well….

I love Ole for his service to the club, both as a player and as a manager. I think his detractors were way too harsh, but I also thought his rabid supporters were blind to his faults. I know… novel stance in this day that someone supports a viewpoint that is not extreme. Ole needed to go precisely because he couldn’t stand up to Ronaldo, because he never could’ve convinced Casemiro to come, he couldn’t instill a training regimen and rock hard philosophy or match the pre-game preparation of Ten Hag.

Ten Hag is a manager that is able to extract performances from a team greater than the sum of its parts (so far). His reclamation projects on AWB, Dalot, Rashford, hell, even DeGea are impressive. Let’s see if he can bag a trophy or two this season and hopefully kick on for next season.

Excellent, sober, balanced assessment

 

[tomaldinho1]

Fair, as I said, it's my perception of things and I don't pretend to know everything, just that I feel that Ole did put a structure and belief into players. Without that belief, they would not have played that way. Sometimes, we may have lost it, but we beat big teams as well and the team was United.

He was going on his trajectory for what he wanted and he did blend in Greenwood, even used Amad, and a bunch of youngsters even against PSG so I don't think he was not applying what he was saying. Again, one midfielder away. One Casemiro away to change a bit the way we played and progress the team. We should have refused to get CR7 at all cost and go for that midfielder.

Couldn't agree less, just from what I can see on the pitch it's night and day but no need to dwell on the past. Happy to look to the future with ETH.

 

[Stig]

Competitions are now scattered between channels and it’s sometimes impossible to understand where a certain game will air.

Get the app Live Soccer TV.

It gives almost every country and where you can watch the match.

 

[Tincanalley]

Fair, as I said, it's my perception of things and I don't pretend to know everything, just that I feel that Ole did put a structure and belief into players. Without that belief, they would not have played that way. Sometimes, we may have lost it, but we beat big teams as well and the team was United.

He was going on his trajectory for what he wanted and he did blend in Greenwood, even used Amad, and a bunch of youngsters even against PSG so I don't think he was not applying what he was saying. Again, one midfielder away. One Casemiro away to change a bit the way we played and progress the team. We should have refused to get CR7 at all cost and go for that midfielder.

No. No. Not one Casemiro away. Not even close. Casemiro, or even sprouting balls to stand up to Ronnie, would not have taken Ole to where we want to go. He lacked decisiveness. He lacked theory. He lacked coaching skills, man management and crucially, stage presence. In other words, leadership. So ETH benefits from adding great players of course; but that’s only a small part of the picture

 

[always_hoping]

Well that turned into a game to remember. It's hard to believe that was a qualifying round to get into the last 16 of the Europa League!

A pairing between two of the biggest clubs in the world, more watched that match last night world wide than will likely watch the Europa league final.

 

[Woodywizz]

Get the app Live Soccer TV.

It gives almost every country and where you can watch the match.

Thank you for this, this is really helpful

 

[The Brown Bull]

What a ball into the corner for Shaw by Licha in the build up to the 2nd goal by the way. I am sure he has contributed to several of our goals this season . Would love to see a stat on it.

 

[Hughie77]

This game was to get into the last 16 of the Europa league. It felt like a semi final in the CL it's got more attention than any CL game this week bar the Real Madrid one. ETH has already got there heads into the next game and that's how it should be. It was a great win

 

[Glorio]

A bit mad that this season the Europa league has had the likes of Ronaldo, Lewandowski, Casemiro, Varane, Gavi, Pedri, FDJ, Rashford, Saka, Bruno, etc on show.

 

[alexthelion]

Glazers not getting any credit for this?

 

[Suedesi]

Rewatch it. The referee hadn’t blown the whistle, so I’m not sure what the card was actually for. He’s fair game on the floor at that point.

For the afters. 90% of time when there's a bit of pushing and shoving , the ref will yellow card one guy from each team and then move on.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Oh my country is also run by the cnuts of the highest order too but that's not the reason for me. The match started at 3 AM here. I was trying my best to be awake waiting for the match but I simply fell asleep

Guess I'm getting old can't sleep late anymore

P/s: I'm watching the full replays now if you're interested I can PM you the links

3am you say, i know the timing alright. Which southeast asia country is this?

 

[Suedesi]

Corny

 

[Suedesi]

Ole's team didn't capitulate that often. In fact, at some point, we had the most come backs in the league and we did get this come back against PSG as well. It would be good if we stop taking digs to a manager who obviously did better than most. If Ole refused CR7 instead of trying to accommodate him and goes for a Casemiro in the middle, this is a different season. And if you listen to ETH carefully, he made a point of saying that this group of players was 2nd the season before, in an attempt to erase last season from the memory. That's how we should be thinking about it as well. This season is a continuation of the 2 previous seasons before last where we were 3rd and 2nd. Now we're trying to be better.

Please stop with the worship of OGS - he was just never good enough to manage the club, and took us years back.

 

[criticalanalysis]

Fair, as I said, it's my perception of things and I don't pretend to know everything, just that I feel that Ole did put a structure and belief into players. Without that belief, they would not have played that way. Sometimes, we may have lost it, but we beat big teams as well and the team was United.

He was going on his trajectory for what he wanted and he did blend in Greenwood, even used Amad, and a bunch of youngsters even against PSG so I don't think he was not applying what he was saying. Again, one midfielder away. One Casemiro away to change a bit the way we played and progress the team. We should have refused to get CR7 at all cost and go for that midfielder.

Yes, Moyes was Bale away from retaining the league, LVG was a year away from building the foundations for a club to win the league, Mourinho was Maguire away from winning the league and Rangnick was 10 players away from making us challenging again.

All the managers, including Ole were shit. No ifs, no buts. Stop giving massive benefit of the doubt and extrapolating some good results into some fantasy scenario. None of them were good enough and deserve every bit of criticism they get for their share of the failure. Player recruitment you can blame entirely on the board but the development of the team and ability to play sustainable, progressive and effective football falls all on them. All of them got massive payouts and failed spectacularly even taking into account the club de-synergy and are being shown up massively by what an actual good modern coach is doing right now.

I don't mean to attack you but this nauseating 'what if' is such a disservice to someone like ETH, like the only difference between him and Ole is Casemiro.

 

[sglowrider]

 

[Strelok]

3am you say, i know the timing alright. Which southeast asia country is this?

It's Vietnam mate. A shithole run by cnuts of the cnuts. The only positive things here are the beaches and the food.

 

[tenpoless]

Oh my country is also run by the cnuts of the highest order too but that's not the reason for me. The match started at 3 AM here. I was trying my best to be awake waiting for the match but I simply fell asleep

Guess I'm getting old can't sleep late anymore

P/s: I'm watching the full replays now if you're interested I can PM you the links

Put Ms teams/Zoom/Gmeet call as your alarm ringtone (max volume). There's no way you won't wake up. The trauma of work calls.

 

[tenpoless]

As usual, he knows how to generate those views. This is the same guy who used Arsenal's shit years to grow his Youtube channel. I bet he personally would rather Arsenal bottling the league so he can get those views money than them actually winning it.

 

[Strelok]

Put Ms teams/Zoom/Gmeet call as your alarm ringtone (max volume). There's no way you won't wake up. The trauma of work calls.

Usually I'd be able to stay awake. Guess I'm getting old now gotta do like you said next time I think. Thanks for the advice mate.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Yes, Moyes was Bale away from retaining the league, LVG was a year away from building the foundations for a club to win the league, Mourinho was Maguire away from winning the league and Rangnick was 10 players away from making us challenging again.

All the managers, including Ole were shit. No ifs, no buts. Stop giving massive benefit of the doubt and extrapolating some good results into some fantasy scenario. None of them were good enough and deserve every bit of criticism they get for their share of the failure. Player recruitment you can blame entirely on the board but the development of the team and ability to play sustainable, progressive and effective football falls all on them. All of them got massive payouts and failed spectacularly even taking into account the club de-synergy and are being shown up massively by what an actual good modern coach is doing right now.

I don't mean to attack you but this nauseating 'what if' is such a disservice to someone like ETH, like the only difference between him and Ole is Casemiro.

Butchery.

 

[Memento28]

Actually they conceded 16 in 8 european games, so we didn't do any different than non-PL opposition.

Interesting stat, I was specifically talking about PL opponents as that's the only l league I follow. 16 in 8 is a big contrast to only 7 in La Liga.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Zincenhko was near tears after beating us & did the clown not see their reaction after Villa’s own goal.

I fully get people don’t want City winning 3 in a row but these clowns will be insufferable if they win this league.

 

[MancunianAngels]

Zincenhko was near tears after beating us & did the clown not see their reaction after Villa’s own goal.

I fully get people don’t want City winning 3 in a row but these clowns will be insufferable if they win this league.

How can any United wany city to win the league? You can block/mute any annoying Arsenal fans.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

How can any United wany city to win the league? You can block/mute any annoying Arsenal fans.

The point is, there’s no ‘better’ option. I want us to win the league, if you think you’ll be able mute their nonsense, good luck. Absolute detestable bunch.

 

[Eli Zee]

We can actually beat good teams now (sometimes very comfortably) because we are better instead of having a lucky game/miracle moment/poor game from the opponent... which we haven't been able to do for the majority of games against top opponents in the last decade.

 

[Sunny Jim]

We can actually beat good teams now (sometimes very comfortably) because we are better instead of having a lucky game/miracle moment/poor game from the opponent... which we haven't been able to do for the majority of games against top opponents in the last decade.

Truth to be told i think both results flatter Barcelona.

 

[Gasolin]

Please stop with the worship of OGS - he was just never good enough to manage the club, and took us years back.

Please stop with not watching games and not understanding what you see. This idea that he was never good because you want to suit some narrative is how you end up with people not even knowing AWB qualities on the ball and improvement in offensive positioning began before during Ole’s spell.