[SuperiorXI]

Really good performance? It was a crap performance. If we want to be elite, this was embarrassing. If we want to be average shit houses, top performance, mint!

 

[Twisted Nerve]

Utterly frustrating suckfest

 

[Rory 7]

Jose clearly not happy with his attacking players.

I interpret that interview totally differently. 'We were not serious enough', he praises his defenders but my God he's pointing out our ineffective players ahead of them, midfield and upfront. We should have killed that game. We didn't. Very poor.

 

[Dobbs]

Really good performance bar the finishing yet again. We give them a single chance with a defensive lapse and they bury it. We get half-a-dozen and make their keeper look man of the match yet again. The finishing in our team is horrendous. Quite the cold streak. I mean Jesus Christ look at this:



You look at our team and it is genuinely difficult to put your finger on the problem. We are a top side but just cannot get the ball to go in the net even an average amount of times. Doubt we'll see a season like this for a long, long time.

I'm already deleting the game from memory but did the keeper make many saves or any particularly brilliant ones? There's the parry from Rashford but we scored from that. Pogba hit his chance right at him. Any others?

I don't think know we can use a brilliant performance from the keeper as the reason for this draw.

 

[TMDaines]

I'm already deleting the game from memory but did the keeper make many saves or any particularly brilliant ones? There's the parry from Rashford but we scored from that. Pogba hit his chance right at him. Any others?

I don't think know we can use a brilliant performance from the keeper as the reason for this draw.

He made six saves, which is a decent amount. I attempted to make the point that we gave him relatively easy saves to make, hence it was making him a potential man of the match candidate, rather than him having pulled high difficultly saves out of the bag.

 

[Ainu]

Raw stats can't necessarily be taken at face value in this case.

If, for instance, a sample of 100 European ties that finished 0-0 in the first leg are examined, and it's found that the outcome of 55% of those ties is victory for the side that drew away from home in the first leg, that has to be interpreted with caution.

The team that's good enough to get the draw away from home in the first leg is likely to be the better side in the first place.

This is bizarre reasoning. The simple fact is that a side drawing 1-1 away from home progresses with any sort of home win. The opposition needs an away win or high scoring draw to progress. It's a clear advantage to the side playing at home in the return leg.

 

[stevoc]

Martial has gone 20 steps backwards. He cannot even beat his marker who happens to be a part-time cattle herder.

I don't know if i even blame him anymore, he rarely gets two games in a row to try to play himself into form. And of course he has to watch Lingard turn in stinkers and yet start lots of matches which i'm sure must piss him off.

 

[UnitedForever147]

Once again any high ball into the box causes us problems plus we're still shite at corners whether defending or attacking. Mourhino cant be bothered or he would have fixed it by now surely. Pogba slept through the game as usual and needs to bloody wake up. Ibra has the touch of an elephant and has similar mobility. Lingard is a complete waste of a shirt and Martial is beyond help. Rashford shows the occasional glimpse of what could be but that's not enough. Our best player tonight was 35 year old Carrick who's looking forward to retirement. That sums it up for me. Big summer clear out on the way...

 

[AndyMUFC]

It's still a good result but our failure to kill off anyone is so frustrating. Teams can be absolute shit against us and still get a result because it only takes one chance to score a goal in football and we don't bother going for the jugular.

 

[beingshe7don]

Agree that it can't be compared I just think Jose is fed up now of no end product, he's seen promise and good performance with no goals and he is just getting bored of it and at this stage I don't think you'll find him praising a forward player who hasn't scored right now.

I thought Rashford was great though and his movement and shot did make our goal but Jose wants more and you can't blame him, it's been the story for the whole season and it's getting boring.

Completely agree and I see the hunger in Rashford to succeed which unfortunately I don''t see in Martial. Things I took note of in Rashford's performance today was his tracking back and willingness to fight for every ball and get possession back. He may have not scored a goal today but i can definitely see that hunger to be better. Martial maybe here next season but if he continues to progress this way, he'll be shown the door real quick.

 

[beingshe7don]

Once again any high ball into the box causes us problems plus we're still shite at corners whether defending or attacking. Mourhino cant be bothered or he would have fixed it by now surely. Pogba slept through the game as usual and needs to bloody wake up. Ibra has the touch of an elephant and has similar mobility. Lingard is a complete waste of a shirt and Martial is beyond help. Rashford shows the occasional glimpse of what could be but that's not enough. Our best player tonight was 35 year old Carrick who's looking forward to retirement. That sums it up for me. Big summer clear out on the way...

Yes I agree we didn't have the best of games. You do need to realize that United have games every 3-4 days which gives very little time for recovery or to stay fresh. The reason why Pogba and co were taking it lightly because we have a really important game at the weekend against Chelsea. All we wanted today was a 1-0 and more importantly an away goal to put us in a better position next week when we face Anderlecht again. The only one I could say was definitely disappointing was Martial given the fact he hadn't' played much and should have been fairly fresh and eager to perform. I do agree that we should have done a better job defending the cross.

 

[stu_1992]

So frustrating we only came out with a draw. Yet again the same story of our attack not being ruthless enough. We never truly kicked on from the goal which is something that has haunted us time and again. Overall not a terrible result and there was some decent stuff played, but really it should so much better.

 

[FrantikChicken]

Really good performance? It was a crap performance. If we want to be elite, this was embarrassing. If we want to be average shit houses, top performance, mint!

Agreed. We're playing Anderlecht here lads, not Bayern Munich. I don't care if it's a European tie away from home. If we want to be seen as a top European club, we have to be making teams like this hold onto their dear lives for 90 minutes.

 

[ghagua]

Happy with the draw considering how bad we played. How fecking bad can our midfield and attack get.

 

[ChichaKagawa]

The most obvious sign was in that Sunderland game. We found out that our ability to finish chances was totally as crappy as shit hits the fan.
But some just saw the score, and were satisfied with the performance.

I said this at the time, but was told by two different mods to pack it in. That Sunderland showing was really bad.

 

[AN17]

Went to bed at half time. So missed the shitshow. I was excepting something of the sorts.

 

[PieCrust]

Last 20 mins was terrible. Everyone just walking around, no threat, turn the ball over again and again. I don't know if it was Jose instructions, the players stopped giving a shit, or they were tired. But it was awful to watch.

 

[Litch]

Really good performance bar the finishing yet again. We give them a single chance with a defensive lapse and they bury it. We get half-a-dozen and make their keeper look man of the match yet again. The finishing in our team is horrendous. Quite the cold streak. I mean Jesus Christ look at this:



You look at our team and it is genuinely difficult to put your finger on the problem. We are a top side but just cannot get the ball to go in the net even an average amount of times. Doubt we'll see a season like this for a long, long time.

Agree. I like Ibra a lot but there's just too much focus on things going through him. At times it makes it slow a predictable. We have also lost the ability to counter attack.

 

[sammsky1]

I can't ever recollect a United side which was as wasteful in front of goal as this side. What's more, our egregious inefficiency somewhat masks the fact that we do regularly create very good chance, a major improvement on last season.

Thanks for sharing.

Have no idea whatsoever how anyone can criticise Mourinho. He picked a great front 4 he sets up a team with tactics that produce bucket loads of chances. But we've been unforgivably wasteful as we've done all season long.

I can see his logic for trying to hold onto the league: he knows how oilily it will be that the strikers would finish off the game so best to take a 1-0 lead back home.

Short of picking himself so he can score, not sure what else he can do.

Our profligacy in front of goal wont miraculously improve before end of season so let's hope we can somehow win this cup by the odd goal here and there.

 

[dar10nian]

Last 20 mins was terrible. Everyone just walking around, no threat, turn the ball over again and again. I don't know if it was Jose instructions, the players stopped giving a shit, or they were tired. But it was awful to watch.

Agree. Coincided with Fellaini coming on for Rashford. Maybe the players thought time to just settle for one nil. Frustrating when it was clearly possible to get the second goal against average opposition. Pogba was slack, martial didn't look to interested, but Jose has to take the blame for his tactics and substitutions instead of blaming the players again post match conference.

 

[Esquire]

You guys are miserable bunch. Sure, it would have been nice to win the game, but 1:1 is not a bad result being away.

Would have taken this result before the match, I think. But it was the way the second half played out was annoying. Negative tactics and it was like watching LVG ball again. I like Mou but this Chelski game plan of seeing out 1-0 scores clearly don't work for us. But can't blame him entirely. Our frontline is not functioning and it's down to individuals. Miki scored but was otherwise very average (kept losing balls).

 

[LeftyBlaster]

Really good performance? It was a crap performance. If we want to be elite, this was embarrassing. If we want to be average shit houses, top performance, mint!

Exactly this. It's laughable how some people here are calling it a good result. You think top clubs like Chelsea / Bayern / Real / Juventus would consider this a good result? Get your expectations right again. We should've killed them off. But instead Jose throws on Faillini to slow down the game and see it through, inviting pressure yet again.

 

[Member 105568]

Loved Martial last season but seriously concerned after last night. He looks asleep and he will not run into space off the ball.

When Mourinho talks about players not being serious is he talking about Pogba? Lingard too , maybe. Mourinho should look at himself and his coaching team as well. I think he's turned into a checkbook manager.

 

[caid]

Went to bed at half time. So missed the shitshow. I was excepting something of the sorts.

So did our attack.

 

[Ashley R1+O]

I'm surprised at the negativity. We've been quite wasteful all season - getting the away goal means essentially the tie should be over in the home leg. They didn't even look like scoring bar that ridiculous roost into the box from miles out. Quite frankly an absurdly unfortunate way to concede a goal.

 

[Womp]

I agree with some in here that I'm genuinely lost on what the issue is. We create chances that any other top team would be putting in the net more often than not. We just can't finish. I can think of at least 2-3 clear-cut chances, right in front of goal we've missed in just about every game this season. Goals that would have won us those games.

Ibra's chance from Rashford's cross should have been in the net, so should have Pogba's. I really don't know. Our build up is pretty good at times, the build up to Mkhitryan's goal was class. Although, people expecting us to come out here all guns blazing when we have about 500 games coming up this month separated by about 3 days, were kidding themselves. We need to manage fitness.

 

[Sagittarius13]

We are miles away from the CL level. We don't have the players nor the tactics to play at a higher level. What can you expect with the likes of Fellaini, Lingard, Martial, Darmian... even Valencia, who is so predictable and Pogba, who looks like is more concerned about his different hair style in every game than giving a decent performance. Even the mentality looks down, we still have a long way to go until we go back to a competitive level.

Sorry for bad english.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Finishing! Finishing! Finishing! (Voice shouting 'Funk' in 'King Kunta")

 

[Needham]

Go for the win and we'll get a draw and we'll be fine.

 

[red4ever 79]

Usual from Utd, although we did score 1 goal. Wasteful in front of goal, switch off in the second half and drop deeper. Europa is our standard right now which shows how far we have dropped.

 

[Billy Blaggs]

We are miles away from the CL level. We don't have the players nor the tactics to play at a higher level. What can you expect with the likes of Fellaini, Lingard, Martial, Darmian... even Valencia, who is so predictable and Pogba, who looks like is more concerned about his different hair style in every game than giving a decent performance. Even the mentality looks down, we still have a long way to go until we go back to a competitive level.

Sorry for bad english.

You're English is spot on. If love to say something else but we look like shit.

 

[Godfather]

We really have to do sth about our attack. It is a bit of a joke atm.

 

[Rake]

I didn't see the last ~15 minutes but if we had scored 1 more goal it would have been a good away performance. Instead we waste chances as always, 1 defensive mistake and another draw...

 

[sashiko]

results of Mou tactics - score a goal, then pull back, substitute Micki (sic!) , let Fellani out...and then not being happy with the result . And 15 times per season same story )))

 

[Godfather]

Good to see Mou mentioning the tons of "half-chances" that were wasted because of poor touches or decisions. Was very frustrating to see yesterday.

 

[Lawman]

Really good performance? It was a crap performance. If we want to be elite, this was embarrassing. If we want to be average shit houses, top performance, mint!

It was a good performance.

 

[Lawman]

I don't know if i even blame him anymore, he rarely gets two games in a row to try to play himself into form. And of course he has to watch Lingard turn in stinkers and yet start lots of matches which i'm sure must piss him off.

Pisses me off watching Lingard start matches but I'm not so sure how much Martial can complain as his demeanour also stinks.

 

[GM K]

Agree. Coincided with Fellaini coming on for Rashford. Maybe the players thought time to just settle for one nil. Frustrating when it was clearly possible to get the second goal against average opposition. Pogba was slack, martial didn't look to interested, but Jose has to take the blame for his tactics and substitutions instead of blaming the players again post match conference.

Jose can never win. He doesn't play Martial. He gets the stick. He puts him in and the guy can't dribble a cow, Jose gets the blame for that because he is the one who has caused his decline. He doesn't play Lingard, he is blamed for making an academy graduate waste. He plays him and the guy under performs, it is Jose's fault for playing him. He removes the underperforming Lingard, it is poor substitution. He leaves TFM out, he is blamed for ruining another academy player, he brings him in and the guy makes no difference, it is bad substitution by Jose. The attack fails to bury chances, it is Jose. Highly paid center backs fail to track, it is Jose. They play open football, create chances but fail to score, it is Jose. They close the game to preserve a lead but concede, it is Jose.

Anyway, I guess that's the life of a manager.

From my little experience in football, the role of the manager is often exergeratted. Yes, he is extremely important in a team, yet people often overlook how crucial the players are. A manager trains, instructs, determines tactics, motivates etc but that's it. Right there on the pitch, when the real battle starts, he is almost as helpless as everyone else. The players have to make things happen.

Jose deserves stick, no doubt but what I see is a whole bunch of underperforming stars. I don't care how many times he is played, Martial was too woeful yesterday and he can't be excused. I can count at least 5 others like that. We simply need two more transfer windows to become an elite team again.

 

[Moonwalker]

We were in complete control throughout. Could have scored a few more, whereas they've scored from their only chance. Job done, advantage gained, and we are firmly in control of the tie.

 

[Moonwalker]

Jose can never win. He doesn't play Martial. He gets the stick. He puts him in and the guy can't dribble a cow, Jose gets the blame for that because he is the one who has caused his decline. He doesn't play Lingard, he is blamed for making an academy graduate waste. He plays him and the guy under performs, it is Jose's fault for playing him. He removes the underperforming Lingard, it is poor substitution. He leaves TFM out, he is blamed for ruining another academy player, he brings him in and the guy makes no difference, it is bad substitution by Jose. The attack fails to bury chances, it is Jose. Highly paid center backs fail to track, it is Jose. They play open football, create chances but fail to score, it is Jose. They close the game to preserve a lead but concede, it is Jose.

Anyway, I guess that's the life of a manager.

From my little experience in football, the role of the manager is often exergeratted. Yes, he is extremely important in a team, yet people often overlook how crucial the players are. A manager trains, instructs, determines tactics, motivates etc but that's it. Right there on the pitch, when the real battle starts, he is almost as helpless as everyone else. The players have to make things happen.

Jose deserves stick, no doubt but what I see is a whole bunch of underperforming stars. I don't care how many times he is played, Martial was too woeful yesterday and he can't be excused. I can count at least 5 others like that. We simply need two more transfer windows to become an elite team again.

Can he live?