Positivity after City

Chief123 said:
You crack the whole forum up with your bizarre takes. Don’t ever change.
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Thank you very much Chief:boring:
Now get back on YouTube and let us all know what technical players we should pay ridiculous prices for next season
 
Bondi77 said:
Thank you very much Chief:boring:
Now get back on YouTube and let us all know what technical players we should pay ridiculous prices for next season
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Just watched Antony’s highlights video so far. Scored a couple of world class tap ins.
 
eire-red said:
I don't think there are many positives, but still, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs have taken heavy beatings at the Etihad in recent times, but this will likely get sensationalised.

I think ETH will have learnt some harsh lessons today. I'd be surprised to see Bruno and Eriksen start together in midfield against top opposition again. Likely Bruno from a tucked in wing position and Eriksen in No.10 to shore up the middle with a centre of Casemiro and Fred (for example).

SAF used to do it against Arsenal and often away in Europe. Against Leicester and Co we can get away with McTominay and Eriksen as a duo. Against top teams, it was a poor selection by ETH (hindsight is 20:20 of course).
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If Sancho keeps up his level of performance, I would be interested to see how a lineup with Bruno off the left in his place and a midfield trio of Casemiro, Eriksen, and Fred would do. Would still have pace and dribbling from Martial and Antony, with Martial occasionally drifting left and Bruno going more centrally.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
I’m sure this could get amalgamated into other threads, but I feel a little positive still after this.

Yes it was naive (at best) to have McT and Eriksen in the midfield two and the players completely froze, but last season we wouldn’t have won the second half.

Sure, City slowed down and made subs, but we scored the first goal in the second half and capitalised on the slower play of City. Last year we’d have given up straight away and lost 7 or 8 nil.

So, whilst it’s shit, we must admit that results like this will happen to m the early stages of this rebuild, but the mentality is most important at this point.
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ETH is clearly pissed at the performance. More generally, the team looked very lacking in confidence today. It’s understandable to an extent : as others have pointed out, City are probably the best team in the world right now, while we are right at the start of a rebuild. And they were at their best today.

I do think it’s different this time, though, as I think ten Hag knows what he’s doing and will get us where we want to be. It’s bound to take time, however, when you consider our starting point, which is very low. We have to have some patience.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
We gave up 6 goals to City. There is nothing to be positive about. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, this is the type of thread we used to make fun of RAWK for.
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Good job ETH is not trying to be immovably negative.

It’s worth trying to pull out any positives from this in order to advance.
 
Chief123 said:
Just watched Antony’s highlights video so far. Scored a couple of world class tap ins.
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Can you get full games on YouTube?
If so..watch Sancho today and get back to me in a couple of hours :lol:
 
People who dont want to feel positive can go to the other threads to rant. Let the ones who believe post here.

There are certainly positives in this loss. We tried to make a come back and did not completely give up, which tells you that the team still has the mentality to compete. The loss is probably due to the players' fatigue from international duties or lack of necessary fitness to play ETH's game, which might have come from the lack of matches during the queen's funeral.

Defeats always give you the best answers to success and ETH has characteristically built his success from early failures. I am sure that the following games will see a more adaptive team.
 
Honestly was not bothered by today. It was one of those fixtures where we could sneak a result or get hammered, and we got hammered. It is what it is.
  • Pep is what we hope Ten Hag can be as an absolute peak, but something below is still an excellent manager.
  • City have infinite resources
  • City are in their peak with Pep
  • City are built to maximize everything Pep has wanted to do since he joined
We are well off where they are, but we are improving and on our way. Bad games will happen. It happened to City even, they got battered by fecking Everton and some others in Peps first season. On a collective off day where everyone's passing, touch and reactions were just a bit off, it can lead to this. So i honestly think it's a "whatever" situation and no need to read into it. It's dumb and unreasonable to expect us to be on their level at this stage, so yeah.

Positives for me were Martial is back fit, and now it's about reacting to that defeat, and the team will have been left in no illusions what the bar they have to reach is (eventually).
 
1. Team building takes time.
2. We didn't hang our heads down and give up.
3. 3 top teams played.

Top 4 is the target this season.
 
I don't see any personally. We were utter shite.

But it's early days at least..
 
Jericholyte2 said:
I’m sure this could get amalgamated into other threads, but I feel a little positive still after this.

Yes it was naive (at best) to have McT and Eriksen in the midfield two and the players completely froze, but last season we wouldn’t have won the second half.

Sure, City slowed down and made subs, but we scored the first goal in the second half and capitalised on the slower play of City. Last year we’d have given up straight away and lost 7 or 8 nil.

So, whilst it’s shit, we must admit that results like this will happen to m the early stages of this rebuild, but the mentality is most important at this point.
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100%. It’s early days. It shows the owners the scale of the task ahead, too. Who knows how this will seem in ten years? I suspect football will no longer allow nation states to pose as football clubs, falsely flying colours. City and Newcastle need to be permanently disbarred from domestic competition until they are owned by real owners, not sportswashing operations with limitless assets. People say their titles are meaningless, but that is too passive, ban the feckers.

On the other hand Keano needs to be more careful when leg-breaking.
 
Chief123 said:
To be fair that’s fantastic build up play leading to them goals for us. You can certainly see there’s a blueprint being put together that’s going to take time.
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It's a good goal and build-up play, that's why I posted it - as a positive sign, but reality of the situation is also that City was up by 4 then.

One of my major concerns is that every other top team seems sharper/fitter/more energetic than us. I think that's one side of our game that needs major looking into.
 
At half time I was fearing 6 or 7 nil, at least we showed a bit of fight in the 2nd half. Hopefully the more players get used to Ten Hag's style they'll have more confidence to actually keep the ball and play in these big games instead of just giving it away like the 1st half
 
Chief123 said:
To be fair that’s fantastic build up play leading to them goals for us. You can certainly see there’s a blueprint being put together that’s going to take time.
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That should work so long as we don't play against teams that play with intensity and give our technical players time on the ball :lol:
Chief Muppet strikes again :eek:
 
We are making big progress in the 2nd half (from 0-4 to 3-2) , which means we would probably beat them by 4-0 next time.
 
I think the only negative I can see is the players didn’t believe in themselves, like Tyson Fury said you have to dig deep and fight even if it looks like you’re defeated. That’s the one thing I want to see from our players and they have shown it at times…
 
I am not going to flip out. We are so early in the process with the new manager. I see so much more about this United side than I have done in previous seasons. I think we will come good. No point throwing the baby out with the bath water. We've already played Liverpool, Arsenal and City, at a time when the manager is trying to revolutionise the way we play. This game simply came too soon for us. I think it will be a different performance in the reverse fixture. It's easy to get despondent but that isn't going to help anything. We have to do what we did before, after the Brentford drubbing, dig deep and produce some results in the coming weeks. Having Martial back will help A LOT, and now is clearly the time to integrate Casemiro and start playing the first XI that we know is best. Hopefully Varane isn't out for long, because we need some defensive consistency. Think this may have been a different game, as in not quite so brutal, if we hadn't conceded that second goal from a corner when Varane was off the field. Just another example of what a cnut Michael Oliver is. Should've just worn his City shirt.

I am simply not going to throw in the towel because we have been hammered by Sports Washing FC. feck them and everything they stand for. As far as I am concerned, nothing they do counts for anything. A cnuty club, owned by cnuty people. They have unlimited resources and happened to be managed by the best manager of his generation. What are you going to do? Just have to learn from it, be humble, work hard, and as ETH said, learn to be brave and believe in ourselves. The season is long and I am still very hopeful of what we will accomplish this season, and the foundations we will lay. City are off to a flyer, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that Haaland won't stay fit all season, and they will have a big dip in form at some point.

The most painful point today was watching Haaland turn so slowly and clumsily outside the area, as to look like Bambi on steroids on ice, get tackled by Casemiro, only for the ball to fall to Foden and him to complete his hattrick. That passage of play was pathetic. Haaland looked as clumsy and slow as Lukaku, and it still resulted in a goal. No excuses for that shit.
 
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TsuWave said:
One of my major concerns is that every other top team seems sharper/fitter/more energetic than us. I think that's one side of our game that needs major looking into.
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I agree with this, problem is that fitness is not just something that we can improve on overnight.

Lack of team cohesion also cost us some silly goals and lady luck just didn't smile at us. These days will happen, especially in early stages of rebuilding. Growing pains.
 
simonhch said:
I am not going to flip out. We are so early in the process with the new manager. I see so much more about this United side than I have done in previous seasons. I think we will come good. No point throwing the baby out with the bath water. We've already played Liverpool, Arsenal and City, at a time when the manager is trying to revolutionise the way we play. This game simply came too soon for us. I think it will be a different performance in the reverse fixture. It's easy to get despondent but that isn't going to help anything. We have to do what we did before, after the Brentford drubbing, dig deep and produce some results in the coming weeks. Having Martial back will help A LOT, and now is clearly the time to integrate Casemiro and start playing the first XI that we know is best. Hopefully Varane isn't out for long, because we need some defensive consistency. Think this may have been a different game, as in not quite so brutal, if we hadn't conceded that second goal from a corner when Varane was off the field. Just another example of what a cnut Michael Oliver is. Should've just worn his City shirt.

I am simply not going to throw in the towel because we have been hammered by Sports Washing FC. feck them and everything they stand for. As far as I am concerned, nothing they do counts for anything. A cnuty club, owned by cnuty people. They have unlimited resources and happened to be managed by the best manager of his generation. What are you going to do? Just have to learn from it, be humble, work hard, and as ETH said, learn to be brave and believe in ourselves. The season is long and I am still very hopeful of what we will accomplish this season, and the foundations we will lay. City are off to a flyer, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that Haaland won't stay fit all season, and they will have a big dip in form at some point.

The most painful point today was watching Haaland turn so slowly and clumsily outside the area, as to look like Bambi on steroids on ice, get tackled by Casemiro, only for the ball to fall to Foden and him to complete his hattrick. That passage of play was pathetic. Haaland looked as clumsy and slow as Lukaku, and it still resulted in a goal. No excuses for that shit.
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Haaland has the footwork of a baby elephant
 
Red-17 said:
Yeah if anything we need to be more patient and not waste our money before we actually see what we do and don't have under ten Hag. We already spent a massive amount, and the last thing we need is ending up with 5-10 players on massive wages who we can't offload. There is a lot of improvement that needs to happen in the way the players we do have are playing before we make finishing touches. Obviously if a starting quality striker or right back comes available, then go for it, but we have reasonable depth right now, so buying for the sake of it is not the right decision.
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Osimhen is striker for me
 
3 goals at the Etihad when already 4 goals down - didn't roll over and beg they didn't score more.

Obviously a horrific day to be a red but if we're taking positives - there's one for you
 
1. martial scored twice and looked hungry
2. Anton scored a worldie
3. We won second half 3 -2. After losing first half 4 nil. Taking ourselves from deadly mental blow to bad day at the office.
4. We won't play anyone this good any time soon again.
5. It was away from home.
6. We will learn loads from this defeat. How far up the levels we have to go to perfect ETHs system.
6. We will learn nor to use one natural pivot player away against opponents this strong
 
Shows Erik he needs Seven first XI players by the time we come here next season
 
We were beaten by a much better team with a striker who is one of the best in the world, if not *the* best. We were 4-0 down at half time and we didn't give up. Those 3 goals were well-taken, just too little too late. ETH has a vision and we're getting there, it's not a one-window fix to this team's issues. We have a couple of real talents in the team, new players who are taking us forward. Some high priced additions haven't worked out, but that's the same for every team, not just us.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
We were beaten by a much better team with a striker who is one of the best in the world, if not *the* best. We were 4-0 down at half time and we didn't give up. Those 3 goals were well-taken, just too little too late. ETH has a vision and we're getting there, it's not a one-window fix to this team's issues. We have a couple of real talents in the team, new players who are taking us forward. Some high priced additions haven't worked out, but that's the same for every team, not just us.
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Shambles best striker in the world is there
 
I can't be positive after yesterday's results

It's really disheartening to see the team you support, that has players that cost an arm and leg to acquire, that are paid the highest wages in Europe, shit the bed in the first minutes of the game and give up Infront of a rival no less!!!

The first 2 games were disasters, but yesterday's result is a harder pill to swallow, I didn't expect a win but I expected a fight, City were strolling and scored 6! Imagine if they played at maximum effort, they would have spunked us with historic result.
 
Fabio Rochemback said:
Varane and Martinez still looked solid despite having absolutely no support whatsoever.

And obviously Martial. We're crying out for a CF that can hold the ball up. While he didn't see much of that, he scored twice and won a penalty so we can presume he's sharp.
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I agree. I honestly dont think Rashford is a good striker and he hasnt had any impact starting in that position against the big teams. Against arsenal and Liverpool, he came alive when he shifted to the left wing...we looked absolutely horrible in those games when he was upfront. He has no holdup of any sort...he gets the ball and passes it immediately. That means we have alot of the passes from martinez or eriksen coming back immediately just becoz he cant hold up or spin a defender. The first step to fixing united is to bring martial back as the striker and for that am excited. Next step is to bring in casemiro...his one touch passing is really good and you can see why real madrid used to hammer teams like mancity or chelsea with him. Our biggest problem remains replacing de gea and bringing in carrier midfielder like FDJ. Overall, I saw enough in the second half to know that we will reach mancitys level if we back ETH financially.
 
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