Ronaldo and what a stupid fecking question
POLL: Ronaldo or Cisse ?
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to be honest, regardless of who is the better player etc...i think United stand more of a chance to sign Ronaldo that Cisse. Seems to me Houllier will move heaven and earth to get Cisse. I dont sense the same urgency coming out of OT.
I think Cisse & Mexes will stay another year at Auxerre. They've said as much in recent interviews. In fact Cisse has some sort of career path mapped out in which he and his advisors have come up with a plan for him to move in the summer of 03 etc. To be honest, I think Liverpool will end up with Anelka next year...which will leave them with Owen, Heskey, and Anelka. I think they'll focus their financial resources on improving their midfield with players like Emerton, Duff, Cheyrou etc.
Results so far... give or take a few votes:
Cisse... 5
Ronaldo... 12
Cisse... 5
Ronaldo... 12
By the way, I'd rather have Di Canio. PDC would be better for the next two seasons as a short-term solution. I think Ruud-Ole have a understanding and should continue to be our first-choice duo while they produce the goods. PDC could play in Europe and be very effective - cheap too, at a fraction of the cost of ROnaldo / Cisse. What would happen to Ole if one of those two signed ?
Cisse would never displace Ole. He is not good enough. Ronlado probbly wood 
Id choose Ronaldo - but I havent really seen Cisse play so am choosing Ronaldo on experience...
Ronaldo was at PSV wasnt he (could be wrong) did he ever play with Ruud?
Ronaldo was at PSV wasnt he (could be wrong) did he ever play with Ruud?
A lot of people forget that Ronaldo is double world player of the year, some people are talking about ronaldo like he is some two bob sunday league player.
I would say take ronaldo on loan for a year, judge his performance, then decide between him and cisse next summer.
Cisse will not go to liverpool this summer, he is going to stay in france for another year.
I must say although it hurts, i think longballpool have more chance of getting him than we do, the whole houllier & french youth academy scenario, he knows cisse very well, from a personal perspective.
But hey who knows, what will happen?
I would say take ronaldo on loan for a year, judge his performance, then decide between him and cisse next summer.
Cisse will not go to liverpool this summer, he is going to stay in france for another year.
I must say although it hurts, i think longballpool have more chance of getting him than we do, the whole houllier & french youth academy scenario, he knows cisse very well, from a personal perspective.
But hey who knows, what will happen?
cigar - no one can say ron's not talented but he's been injured quite often. marco van b was a two time player of the year and got fouled out of the game. that is the single black mark against him for which he has no control. it's risk vs. reward , can he play a full yr. no question that when he plays he can be a force.
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Cisse would never displace Ole. He is not good enough. Ronlado probbly wood
I think that is unfair on both Cisse and Ole.
The truth is rarely fair
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>The truth is rarely fair
You really are a strange one.
Apparently we won't sign Ronaldo OR Cisse. In which case, I think SAF may try for PDC again.
Opinions ?
Cissé.
As for him being good because he plays for France : nonsense ! He has only played one game with the French team.
Best scorer in the French championship, even Henry and Trezeguet haven't succeded that.
And he has everything to be a star (talent, charisma).
He likes Manchester United, he has said he would like to join Liverpool or Manchester Utd, with only a SLIGHT preference for Liverpool.
Comment of Johan Cruyff on Ronaldo : "He's very fast and powerful but technically he doesn't impresses me".
And I'm sure he was forced to take some illicite substances after arriving in Europe....
As for him being good because he plays for France : nonsense ! He has only played one game with the French team.
Best scorer in the French championship, even Henry and Trezeguet haven't succeded that.
And he has everything to be a star (talent, charisma).
He likes Manchester United, he has said he would like to join Liverpool or Manchester Utd, with only a SLIGHT preference for Liverpool.
Comment of Johan Cruyff on Ronaldo : "He's very fast and powerful but technically he doesn't impresses me".
And I'm sure he was forced to take some illicite substances after arriving in Europe....
Originally posted by Elfie:
<strong>Cissé.
As for him being good because he plays for France : nonsense ! He has only played one game with the French team.
Best scorer in the French championship, even Henry and Trezeguet haven't succeded that.
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Didn't Guivach (sp?) manage to top the scoring charts in France?
Doesn't mean much then...
Much as as I like Cisse' I would take Ronaldo.
Originally posted by Cal:
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Didn't Guivach (sp?) manage to top the scoring charts in France?
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You could have said this when Henry and Trezeguet were doing well in France.
The difference is that Cissé has been best scorer at 20, and Guivarch around 27.
Cisse has obviously a better potential and physique.
Originally posted by Raoul:
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Said he played for Dortmund.
Butt, Isn't it a part of one's Body?
I would prefer Ronaldo. In my opinion he is the best!!!
So what if I mentioned Veron? Is there something wrong with that? He didn't do what he was supposed to do and everybody should admit that. That said, I'd like for him (and I think he will) to do well next season. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
I have never seen Cisse for a full game so no opinion.
Ronaldo IS something else but I'm not sure about his form, he has been pants for the Brazilian side against the likes of mighty Espanyol B and Catalonya (and had an absolute stinker against Lazio). Mmmmm... Inter might be happy to offload him for a year, particularly given his wages! But that would be it, after a year you will either not want to keep him or find the price tag absurd (no chance of affordable "option" I would guess as Inter know if it were to be used then he will have recovered).
What about the other Ronaldo, Ronaldinho Gaucho who is currently with PSG? When I see him play I see exactly what United need. He could be striker or play in the hole. I would offload Veron and bring him on.
If you're sceptical just wait for the WC. Brazil doesn't have a strong side but he will be their top player and a WC star, no doubt about that.
Ronaldo IS something else but I'm not sure about his form, he has been pants for the Brazilian side against the likes of mighty Espanyol B and Catalonya (and had an absolute stinker against Lazio). Mmmmm... Inter might be happy to offload him for a year, particularly given his wages! But that would be it, after a year you will either not want to keep him or find the price tag absurd (no chance of affordable "option" I would guess as Inter know if it were to be used then he will have recovered).
What about the other Ronaldo, Ronaldinho Gaucho who is currently with PSG? When I see him play I see exactly what United need. He could be striker or play in the hole. I would offload Veron and bring him on.
If you're sceptical just wait for the WC. Brazil doesn't have a strong side but he will be their top player and a WC star, no doubt about that.
Yep, Ronaldinho is a great player and is definitely gonna move on sooner or later.
Originally posted by Elfie:
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Comment of Johan Cruyff on Ronaldo : "He's very fast and powerful but technically he doesn't impresses me".
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Yeah, he's shite isn't he, his technique is just awful, I'd rather have Emile Heskey..
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Originally posted by Nistelrooy10:
<strong>So what if I mentioned Veron? Is there something wrong with that? He didn't do what he was supposed to do and everybody should admit that. That said, I'd like for him (and I think he will) to do well next season. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
This is a thread about Ronaldo / Cisse, not another Seba-bashing topic.
He'd need to be thoroughly checked out. A high risk investment: big transfer fee, high salary, and then you could lose him for months at a time.
Hypothetically, if he could stay fit, he would be amazing, but he makes Kieron Dyer look a picture of health.
Cisse is a safer option, true, he's not as accomplished as Ronaldo was before injury, but hes improving rapidly and will go right to the top.
Hypothetically, if he could stay fit, he would be amazing, but he makes Kieron Dyer look a picture of health.
Cisse is a safer option, true, he's not as accomplished as Ronaldo was before injury, but hes improving rapidly and will go right to the top.
Originally posted by Roy:
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Yeah, he's shite isn't he, his technique is just awful, I'd rather have Emile Heskey..
<img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
Have I said he was shite ? Anyway, address your critics to Johan Cruyff, someone who knows a little about football. If you don't believe me, I've kept the article, I can make a full translation of his comments.
Cisse Cisse Cisse
Originally posted by Roy:
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Yeah, he's shite isn't he, his technique is just awful, I'd rather have Emile Heskey..
<img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
Heskey as goalie
Cisse is great - has great potential(next Henry), blistering pace and acceleration, packs a lot of power and he is THE TYPE OF PLAYER THAT WE URGENTLY NEED.
Ronaldo - the name speaks for itself. Twice world player of the year and dubbed the best thing to come out of Brazil since Pele. A nickname like "The Phenomenon" is not something you get by just being a good player (He's a f**king incredible player). If not for his injuries and that fateful day during France 98 he would already be a legend. At his best, he'll wipe the floor with any defence in the world.
Finally, to all Ole lovers out there pls don't let blind loyalty cover your eyes. We need another good forward be it Cisse,Ronaldo etc. because we lack a lot in that department. We need the skill,pace,creativity. And these occuring "We already have Ole" and "What about Ole" is plain dumb. If Ole is feckin good like i know he is, there isnt any need to worry that he'll again be the sacrificial lamb. Not buying a good forward for fear of compromising Ole's first team spot is stupid and definitely not for the good of United as a team. IMO Ruud also does not neccessarily must have a guaranteed spot in the first team. Who produces the goods, is who gets the spot. And buying Ashton or Christie etc. For God's sake these arent United material. Longballpool is buying Cisse and we are buying who?
Finally Ruud - Ole is definitely not the best partnership we can get cos they're both good strikers/finishers and very simillar in their style and dont complement each other.And they're not creators or speed demons either.
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Ronaldo - the name speaks for itself. Twice world player of the year and dubbed the best thing to come out of Brazil since Pele. A nickname like "The Phenomenon" is not something you get by just being a good player (He's a f**king incredible player). If not for his injuries and that fateful day during France 98 he would already be a legend. At his best, he'll wipe the floor with any defence in the world.
Finally, to all Ole lovers out there pls don't let blind loyalty cover your eyes. We need another good forward be it Cisse,Ronaldo etc. because we lack a lot in that department. We need the skill,pace,creativity. And these occuring "We already have Ole" and "What about Ole" is plain dumb. If Ole is feckin good like i know he is, there isnt any need to worry that he'll again be the sacrificial lamb. Not buying a good forward for fear of compromising Ole's first team spot is stupid and definitely not for the good of United as a team. IMO Ruud also does not neccessarily must have a guaranteed spot in the first team. Who produces the goods, is who gets the spot. And buying Ashton or Christie etc. For God's sake these arent United material. Longballpool is buying Cisse and we are buying who?
Finally Ruud - Ole is definitely not the best partnership we can get cos they're both good strikers/finishers and very simillar in their style and dont complement each other.And they're not creators or speed demons either.
The End
Question for all:
Do you think Ronaldo can ever acheive full fitness and his old self ?
Do you think Ronaldo can ever acheive full fitness and his old self ?
Rvn could.