[Poll] Next permanent United manager

Who do you think should be the next permanent manager of Manchester United?

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He says the most important thing for Tottenham is to be in the top 4. That could be the instruction from Levy as this will be the best source of income to offset the stadium outgoings. If you bring in no new players and ask about priorities it might be that top 4 is the be all and end all to pay the bills and that while an FA Cup is great for the fans, if the extra games result in injuries that result in you coming 5th then it might not be ideal to the financial planning of the club.

It might be a damning indictment of modern football but it would not surprise me if the powers that be aren't all that bothered about the FA Cup and this is the message to Poch.
 
GBBQ said:
He says the most important thing for Tottenham is to be in the top 4. That could be the instruction from Levy as this will be the best source of income to offset the stadium outgoings. If you bring in no new players and ask about priorities it might be that top 4 is the be all and end all to pay the bills and that while an FA Cup is great for the fans, if the extra games result in injuries that result in you coming 5th then it might not be ideal to the financial planning of the club.

It might be a damning indictment of modern football but it would not surprise me if the powers that be aren't all that bothered about the FA Cup and this is the message to Poch.
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No no, please don't make up your own justification. Poch clearly said he does not value FA cup as it only feeds ego. Lets no go beyond and try to find justifications.
 
Tony247 said:
No no, please don't make up your own justification. Poch clearly said he does not value FA cup as it only feeds ego. Lets no go beyond and try to find justifications.
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Except he didn't say that; he said that winning a cup will not bring Tottenham to the next level it will just build ego. He doesn't say anything about not valuing the FA Cup.

He does however say "The most important thing for Tottenham right now is to always be in the top four" and that is either for the money it brings or for the ability to compete against the best in Europe.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
But I thought them wins were all because of Cristiano Ronaldo due to him being the greatest player in the 4th Dimension, the Milky Way, the Observal universe, the Multi-Verse and beyond. Make your mind up mate.
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Cristiano being a greatest ever player doesn't take anything away from Zidane, you still need to manage the player.

Benitez clearly couldn't do it, even Jose couldn't do it.

I thought managers are very important, as Messi never wins anything with Argentina due to the numerous poor managers he's had through no fault of his own?
 
Tony247 said:
No no, please don't make up your own justification. Poch clearly said he does not value FA cup as it only feeds ego. Lets no go beyond and try to find justifications.
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“Feeds ego”. Mans obviously use to mediocrity.

That is presicsly what is wrong with today’s game. I’m sure most of the older Liverpool fans felt cheated by Klop picking a reserve side and crashing out lamely at Wolves.
Pochetino is from Argentina and just doesn’t get the history of THE CUP.
It’s the greatest cup competition in all domestic football and it is because of its history that us fans just love it.
He might as well be from bloody Pluto and it is for that very comment that he is not suitable for Utd.
My God if he doesn’t understand the history and importance of the cup then what makes any one think he will get what Manchester United stands for?
Ole on the telly today saying he got his coaching badges in Manchester, big smile on his face, come on we all know who would be the best for United and it doesn’t take the brains of an ArchBishop to work it out, although I am praying that Woodward makes the right decision.
 
GBBQ said:
Except he didn't say that; he said that winning a cup will not bring Tottenham to the next level it will just build ego. He doesn't say anything about not valuing the FA Cup.

He does however say "The most important thing for Tottenham right now is to always be in the top four" and that is either for the money it brings or for the ability to compete against the best in Europe.
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hmm. You do have a point there. Although I am not fully convinced it is an objective compromise. His statement of 'cup just builds ego' is a giveaway of his inner mentality. If he was just a reluctant participant in the overall scheme of his club (what is the term for this? god my english ditches me when I need it) then he could have said 'at this time it is more practical for us to focus on top 4'. The way he dismissed the cup to justify his loss... . errr.. not so diplomatic.
 
charlenefan said:
Was our FA Cup under LVG considered glory? It certainly didn't keep him his job. Were those 3 FA Cup's for Wenger considered glory? Didn't stop the majority of the Arsenal fan base wanting him to step down. Or Conte last season? Finishing outside of the top 4 but with the FA Cup didn't put a nice gloss to Chelsea's awful season.

I'll also add I'm up nobodies 'hole'. At this moment in time I'm undecided who should be the next Manchester United manager
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The teams you mention have a history of winning trophies. Spurs have won one league cup in nearly 30 years! How could they not see winning the FA Cup as glory? Sure, Levy is a business man first and foremost and would sacrifice the cups to have a better chance at consolidating top four, but surely their fans would rather see the team lift the FA Cup at Wembley than qualify for the CL. It's not like it's not attainable to do both for a team with Spurs' quality. I rate Poch and wouldn't be against seeing him here if things go south for Ole but there are a lot of question marks.

To answer your question, yes, I think winning the FA Cup under LVG was pretty significant. It was our first trophy post-Sir Alex and we'd only won the competition once in the past 17 years previous to that so it's not something United fans (let alone Spurs fans) should take for granted. We were failing badly on other fronts that season and looked to be going in the wrong direction so I agree with LVG getting the sack, although the board should have waited for a better time to tell him.
 
The permanent Manchester United managrmer is already here.
OGS is a Man United man if there ever was one. The way he carries himself, the attacking football, the counters, his pressers and interviews have all been top notch.
Looks to me like some people already forgot the shite we’ve been through for the last 6 years.
 
Sir Scott McToMinay said:
The permanent Manchester United managrmer is already here.
OGS is a Man United man if there ever was one. The way he carries himself, the attacking football, the counters, his pressers and interviews have all been top notch.
Looks to me like some people already forgot the shite we’ve been through for the last 6 years.
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absolutely! compare that with Moyesey pressers..... shivers down the spine even by the mention of it.
 
I am going off Poch rapidly. I can't believe that he said "To win a title here in England like the FA Cup or Carabao Cup is about being lucky..."

If that was the case, Spurs would have won something over the years.
 
Sir Scott McToMinay said:
The permanent Manchester United managrmer is already here.
OGS is a Man United man if there ever was one. The way he carries himself, the attacking football, the counters, his pressers and interviews have all been top notch.
Looks to me like some people already forgot the shite we’ve been through for the last 6 years.
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But it looks like he will have to get top 4, win the Champions League, win the FA Cup and win every game in the process to be considered for the job according to some morons. Whilst, over in London, Poch who has not won anything and apparently has no appetite for trophies but just to get top 4 every year is seen as a better choice.

In a way, I'm glad we're waiting till the end of the season because it will become increasingly apparent who the better option is, as Spurs do what they usually do and United continue to march on.
 
Is there anyone against Ole getting the job ? Apart from fans of the dippers and shitty that is.
 
Tottenham aren't comparable to the other 5 teams. Top 4 is a matter of survival for them, they not only need the money that CL offers but they also need the publicity because they need to give something other than money to players since they can't compete in terms of wages. He is literally saying that they are not a top club yet, that they are building to become one.
Now, I don't think that he should overlook the FA cup, that's not a good image and since it's a cup you should always have hope and the ambition to win it.
 
Can we perma ban everyone who has seriously voted for Southgate?
 
Livewire1974 said:
Is there anyone against Ole getting the job ? Apart from fans of the dippers and shitty that is.
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I don't think many will be "opposed", but there will likely still be a fair few in the "wait and see" camp, which seems reasonable. No need to be making any decisions now - that can wait till April/May.
 
JPRouve said:
Tottenham aren't comparable to the other 5 teams. Top 4 is a matter of survival for them, they not only need the money that CL offers but they also need the publicity because they need to give something other than money to players since they can't compete in terms of wages. He is literally saying that they are not a top club yet, that they are building to become one.
Now, I don't think that he should overlook the FA cup, that's not a good image and since it's a cup you should always have hope and the ambition to win it.
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What he's saying though is showing no regard for the fans and completely disrespecting them. They're not going to fill that shiny new stadium of theirs with the very fans that will be lining the club's pockets in order to pay the players they need to compete at the top if all they're bothered about is top 4. All it will take is a disastrous CL campaign and that year's work will have been for nothing.

You only have to look at where Arsenal are now after their fans were sold the dream of moving to the Emirates only to be known as the perennial holders of the top 4 trophy. It kinda backfired on them big time.

Anyway, I hope he fecking stays at Spurs and see how long that mindset works for him.
 
RedPed said:
What he's saying though is showing no regard for the fans and completely disrespecting them. They're not going to fill that shiny new stadium of theirs with the very fans that will be lining the club's pockets in order to pay the players they need to compete at the top if all they're bothered about is top 4. All it will take is a disastrous CL campaign and that year's work will have been for nothing.

You only have to look at where Arsenal are now after their fans were sold the dream of moving to the Emirates only to be known as the perennial holders of the top 4 trophy. It kinda backfired on them big time.

Anyway, I hope he fecking stays at Spurs and see how long that mindset works for him.
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But Arsenal are actually the perfect example, they won cups and no one cares(5 finals and 3 trophies in the last 10 years). It also didn't help them one bit. As cold as it may sound, in terms of long term development it's a lot better for Tottenham to become a perennial top 4 team and try to go as far as possible in CL than win the FA or League cups. The latter two are nice but they have no weight in the clubs long term status and aspiration.

Now, no manager should ever say that. It's the type of stuff that only board members should say and preferably behind closed doors.
 
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But Arsenal are actually the perfect example, they won cups and no one cares(5 finals and 3 trophies in the last 10 years). It also didn't help them one bit. As cold as it may sound, in terms of long term development it's a lot better for Tottenham to become a perennial top 4 team and try to go as far as possible in CL than win the FA or League cups. The latter two are nice but they have no weight in the clubs long term status and aspiration.

Now, no manager should ever say that. It's the type of stuff that only board members should say and preferably behind closed doors.
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In the case of Arsenal and Spurs their current aspirations and status are more to do with their reticence in parting with their cash rather than trying to win trophies.

Yeah but Arsenal have won things. They can afford to shift priorities. Spurs have only won one League Cup in recent times if I remember correctly. We also have a 'top 6' now instead of just the established top 4. So every year 2 big teams are going to be experiencing 'turmoil'. Spurs are not going to get top 4 every season and Kane/Son/Eriksen and Alli won't be there forever. When they've reverted back to mediocrity, they will rue the days when they passed up on silverware. Perhaps I'm just old school but I was absolutely bouncing when we won the League Cup and Europa League.

I just think it's a bit disingenuous to assume that no one cares. We're the most successful English club because we have the most silverware, silverware made up of a few of those 'mickey mouse' cups. In the grand scheme of things it does matter.

Like I said, it would be very disrespectful to the fans to assume on their behalf that the cups are not important. In that case, if I was them I would simply not bother turning up and see how the empty stadiums affect the club's long term status and aspirations.
 
There are some daft options on the poll, but Marco Silva is right up there
 
The year is 2029: Harry Kane has just retired after spending his career at Tottenham.

So Harry, what are your best memories from your career.
Well I finished second once and third and fourth a few times, shame I didn't actually win a trophy.
 
JPRouve said:
But Arsenal are actually the perfect example, they won cups and no one cares(5 finals and 3 trophies in the last 10 years). It also didn't help them one bit. As cold as it may sound, in terms of long term development it's a lot better for Tottenham to become a perennial top 4 team and try to go as far as possible in CL than win the FA or League cups. The latter two are nice but they have no weight in the clubs long term status and aspiration.

Now, no manager should ever say that. It's the type of stuff that only board members should say and preferably behind closed doors.
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The problem with this argument is that Spurs have already fielded a weakened CL team in the past because they had a PL match with Chelsea on the weekend. This led to their elimination.

I find it hard to support Poch with this argument when he's done that.
 
I think Pochettino may have been a bit sarcastic, because he didn't get a signing in the summer, and he isn't getting one now with Kane and Alli injured till March.

I hope it is going to be him or Ole. I personally respect Mauricio as a manager. He's made great sides first from Southampton, and now from Tottenham. If he got the financial help from Levy I'm sure that he would have won a title for the Spurs. But on the other side I absolutely love Ole. One of my favorite players growing up. Of course, everyone love him with his baby face and his ability to score goals and he is true United legend. So if we don't stick with him - Pochettino, but with the way we play, and the results so far I think Solskaer has a pretty good chance to get a full-time contract.
 
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I've been reluctant to jump onto the Ole train because I thought that coming in and cheering everyone up is one thing but coming in developing a tactical plan and overhauling the squad is very much another.

However, for me Ole has passed all of the tactics tests with flying colours and in my view is freezing out the right players. So i'm daring to dream that Ole might be our guy.
 
Ole has done a miraculous job so far.

From a write-off season a month ago to giving us hope of top 4, he has brought about a sweeping change in the way we play and the overall mood around the club.
We are riding the momentum, and we still have a long way to go before we can be certain of finishing in the top 4 given how poor we were before Ole came in.


February is going to be a crucial month for us and our evaluation of whether Ole is indeed the man.
 
The next 7 weeks will truly determine whether or not Ole is the right man for the job, but so far, I've been really impressed with what he's managed to do (which is why I swapped from Poch to Ole in the poll).
 
Tommy said:
The next 7 weeks will truly determine whether or not Ole is the right man for the job, but so far, I've been really impressed with what he's managed to do (which is why I swapped from Poch to Ole in the poll).
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Also why Poch is still my first choice at the moment. The next 10 games in all competitions are crucial.
 
Adisa said:
Also why Poch is still my first choice at the moment. The next 10 games in all competitions are crucial.
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Yup. That fixture list from mid-Feb to mid-March is absolutely brutal for United. If Ole comes out of that looking good, the job should be his
 
I'm sure a fair few will switch their vote back to Poch after the tough round of fixtures in Feb and March. We are going to lose some of those, and top 4 will be a dog fight from here on.

It will be fun to be playing for something again towards the closing stages of the season (even though it will only be top 4 and not the title). It will really give us a lot of insight on what Ole can do in a tough run in. Hopefully we get past PSG + Chelsea as well to make it more of a 'busy schedule'. I love Ole and want him as the permanent manager - but, it's better for him to get that tough experience this year, as opposed to getting it a few years down the line when his inexperience at that level could cost us.
 
Tommy said:
The next 7 weeks will truly determine whether or not Ole is the right man for the job, but so far, I've been really impressed with what he's managed to do (which is why I swapped from Poch to Ole in the poll).
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What the hell are you voting for? :lol:
 
The way Poch managed to turn around 0-1 to 2-1 against Watford today, make me think he is the best manager we could get. Ole only got a draw.
 
I’ve changed my vote to OGS in the past day or two. He’s edging Pochettino for me at the moment.

And yeah those comments by Pochettino basically saying Top 4 is the target and kinda saying the domestic cups aren’t worth winning doesn’t really sound good. If Moyes, LVG or Jose said that they’d get lynched by the fan base.

I foresee a lot of flip flopping and knee jerking within the fan base in the coming four months.
 
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