Updated polling after beating Brighton and Poch now has a mere 1006 (49.2%) of the vote, with OleOleOle rising 119 votes to 384 and 18.8%
Where is the tide going to turn do we think? Probably not just if we beat #ItsOnlyArsenal.
[Poll] Next permanent United manager
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Updated polling after beating Brighton and Poch now has a mere 1006 (49.2%) of the vote, with OleOleOle rising 119 votes to 384 and 18.8%
Where is the tide going to turn do we think? Probably not just if we beat #ItsOnlyArsenal.
My vote went to Poch when Ole wasn't even an option. Now that we have an actual United legend who understands the club and all that stuff, and looks like he's up to the task, it would be wrong to go for Poch. He has only improved Spurs a couple of league positions since he joined and has won nothing. Spurs had already been 4th or close to it since 2009. Spurs' transition from a midtable club to an upper level club is not just down to Poch, it's based on good work throughout the club over a longer period. Poch is a very solid football manager, but he is no magician. And Ole just fits in here. He fits in! He knows what works at United instead of trying to force the club to be something it isn't, and he knows what it takes to win. He's a winner, he's an assassin, and ... He's a knight! What's not to like? He returned to his old club Molde to win the league, and he has returned to his old club United to win here too! It's a win-win situation! I don't know what more I can tell you guys.
Just changed my vote to Ole. Originally had Jardim but I'm sold. We're on the right track.
I'll switch my vote to Ole if and when we win a game 5-0.
It's unbelievable how he transformed the players and tactic in just a few weeks. We had one of the world best manager had us playing one of the worst football ever and dropped to 6 or 7 position in the league.
This club and this team really have no business fighting for Top 4 year in year out. No more managers like Moyes, LVG and Jose.
Get in young and progressive modern manager. Give the job to Ole.
This club and this team really have no business fighting for Top 4 year in year out. No more managers like Moyes, LVG and Jose.
Get in young and progressive modern manager. Give the job to Ole.
I hope you're joking, because that's a terrible criteria on which to base a managerial appointment.
You flatter me, but I'm not actually in charge of the appointment.
Ole is only former MU player on the list, so I voted Ole. He seems to understand the club and the players so it's a no-brainer for me.
I'm not sold on Ole completely but he seems more of pragmatic attacking minded coaches even though his style of play started showing how we are supposed to play. I prefer Quique Setién, his style of play alway demand dominant performance and playing out from the back under high pressure, possession in 3-4-3 with fullback pushing higher and high pressing, if you give him all top players in position, he'll destroy the league away and home, he completely outclassed Barca and Real Madrid and dominate them at their own home, this is exactly how I want to see Manchester United dominating top teams at their own home even if they are the best team. He's very similar to Pep Guardiola in style of play.
I voted for Ole for two reasons:
1. I believe he is a better fit for the club, he understands our tradition, and so far he has been doing a great job compared to the last 3 appointments.
It is also important to to see how he does because who ever we appoint will be under treat because of Ole, if the new manager struggles to hit the ground running then alot of fans, pundits will start calling for Ole and to me that just gives unnecessary pressure to the new manager.
The best case scenario is Ole does a great job when offered the job, if he doesn’t then he stops being a constant treat and we can move forward as a club.
2. If Ole fails then I can see a better pool of managers to choose from to replace him with then compared to now. We would have assessed Rose and any another young manager prospect and maybe by then it will be easier to land Poch, who happens to be my second choice behind Ole.
1. I believe he is a better fit for the club, he understands our tradition, and so far he has been doing a great job compared to the last 3 appointments.
It is also important to to see how he does because who ever we appoint will be under treat because of Ole, if the new manager struggles to hit the ground running then alot of fans, pundits will start calling for Ole and to me that just gives unnecessary pressure to the new manager.
The best case scenario is Ole does a great job when offered the job, if he doesn’t then he stops being a constant treat and we can move forward as a club.
2. If Ole fails then I can see a better pool of managers to choose from to replace him with then compared to now. We would have assessed Rose and any another young manager prospect and maybe by then it will be easier to land Poch, who happens to be my second choice behind Ole.
considering how we went from needing a complete squad overhaul to dominating 60 minutes is not enough I'd say get on the Ole express.
We are finally moving in the right direction. We have spent massive amount of money in the last 5 years but the players and play seems gotten worse. Just few weeks back we were in need of complete squad overhaul but now we are only 2-3 players away from challenging at the top again.
Ole is the right man. The last thing we want is to start all over again with Poch who is also no guarantee of success.
Ole is the right man. The last thing we want is to start all over again with Poch who is also no guarantee of success.
Ole had a bad string of games with Molde last season, by the way. His team dropped on the table and, tbo, a different manager without his club silverware history would easily have been sacked. But he patched it together and finished 2nd after restoring all the confidence and got a new contract with Molde. So Ole has been there and done just that. With a smaller club, but nevertheless it is a good reference.
There is a slight difference between molde and united
Its good to see Ole getting abit more respect about his tactical set-ups and how he's instructing the players on subtle elements in personal improvement.
The narrative of Ole just being this nice chap who's brought the moral back into the club and done little else is getting tiresome to listen and read about.
Ole is clearly more than just a happy face.He's been in management now for sometime and I think he's earned enough respect to be considered as a good coach.
There's a slight difference supporting Juventus and United also.
And take a look at Manchester United club history. Sir Busby and Ole's similarities are striking.
Club history knowledge and philosophy are the biggest asset Ole has to offer the club. And Poch don't have that. Frankly, Poch is a risk to the club, just as the other three previous managers without United dna background.
He'll likely jump to a job in Spain after a few years in UK also, being worm blooded with a nagging wife at home.
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Since Ole came in, it's been like a dream. Couldn't have asked for more from him and the coaching team. I wouldn't have thought it was possible a month ago.
To unite the club and bring peace to the absolute chaos that the previous manager left felt impossible a month ago.
Man Utd feels like a family again for the first time since Sir Alex left. I can't thank the coaching team enough for that.
Ole knows what the fans want and he's Man Utd through and through. He's a great person, very personable and wants to give youth a chance. He ticks all the boxes. It just feels right doesn't it?
I give him and the coaching team full credit for believing in the team, letting them attack and play to their full potential. The previous managers never allowed this so Ole is not just a happy face. He's very astute. The team looks much more cohesive attacking. We actually look like we have a plan going forward now which I never saw for the last three years.
There a few questions in the back of my mind I would like to get solved though.
The past few games have shown we have a chink in our armour. We keep tiring by the 60 min mark which, if we keep that up we'll be in trouble. We're also a bit loose at the back too. Even yesterday, we were let off the hook by Brighton as they posed a big threat from crosses which on another day we could have been in a right mess vs them.
So, i'll just have to wait and see what Ole can do. If Ole can solve our current fitness issues and make us a bit more solid at the back, then I would be over the moon to see him get the job.
To unite the club and bring peace to the absolute chaos that the previous manager left felt impossible a month ago.
Man Utd feels like a family again for the first time since Sir Alex left. I can't thank the coaching team enough for that.
Ole knows what the fans want and he's Man Utd through and through. He's a great person, very personable and wants to give youth a chance. He ticks all the boxes. It just feels right doesn't it?
I give him and the coaching team full credit for believing in the team, letting them attack and play to their full potential. The previous managers never allowed this so Ole is not just a happy face. He's very astute. The team looks much more cohesive attacking. We actually look like we have a plan going forward now which I never saw for the last three years.
There a few questions in the back of my mind I would like to get solved though.
The past few games have shown we have a chink in our armour. We keep tiring by the 60 min mark which, if we keep that up we'll be in trouble. We're also a bit loose at the back too. Even yesterday, we were let off the hook by Brighton as they posed a big threat from crosses which on another day we could have been in a right mess vs them.
So, i'll just have to wait and see what Ole can do. If Ole can solve our current fitness issues and make us a bit more solid at the back, then I would be over the moon to see him get the job.
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Look mate, I am not against Ole becoming manager. In fact I wrote a post in here highlighting most what you've already said which I will quote below. However as said, its one thing feeling pressure at Molde and its another doing it at United.
Poch would be a poster boy signing, similar to the last three managers. No guarantee what so ever for better progress rate than Ole.
At the moment, Poch advocates are rising the bar, after every achievement Ole delivers, on pitch and off pitch.
Ole is the right candidate. He is Manchester United DNA. He will commit to this club the rest of his lifetime. Just like Sir Matt and Sir Ferguson.
If Manchester United want to appoint someone likely to carry the legacy, this is our chance. Don't blow it. Poch will be ready next year if Ole fails.
Don't appoint an outsider when we have such a promising homegrown candidate.
If the most important doubt is wether Ole is experienced or not to handle a big club at this stage, give him at least a full year and some of his own signings. Give him the support of a DOF in addition to Mike & co.
Don't underestimate the importance of our club legacy:
https://www.manutd.com/en/printprod...-the-creation-of-the-modern-manchester-united
25 years since Sir Matt Busby, the man who transformed Manchester United into one of the greatest clubs in the world, passed away. But just how did he do it?
While there was a Manchester United before Sir Matt Busby, it bore no comparison to the Manchester United that now occupies Sir Matt Busby Way. The Reds were “a team with no ground and no money”, as the Scot succinctly put it. Throw in the absence of any tangible success for over three decades prior to Busby’s arrival, and a glance to the present day underlines just how much of his groundwork has gone into the goliath institution known around the modern world.
An ex-Manchester City and Liverpool player with no managerial experience, taking his first role at an ailing club; success was by no means nailed-on, but seldom have two parties been a better match for one another. Matt’s appointment was a plot twist none saw coming, a move of such inspiration that it changed the landscape of English football. Busby hauled United – and the rest of the country, over time – into the spotlight of the continental game, showed it to the world and watched on as it captured the collective imagination.
Sir Matt pictured at his desk in 1957.
Even at 35, with no direct experience, Matt had a clear vision of his style of management, having noted core issues in football management – most notably the disparity between players and managers. As he evolved from one towards the other, he vowed to implement his learnings in order to get the most from his squad. When club owner James W Gibson met with Busby in February 1945 to discuss doing so at United, the Scot outlined his vision in such compelling fashion that the planned offer of a three-year contract was quickly upgraded to a five-year deal.
The terms of Busby’s charge were simple: total control. “I would be the boss,” he explained. “This being so, I would not have any excuse if I failed. Nor would I offer any. They could kick me out.”
Matt had honed his leadership skills as Company Sergeant-Major Instructor Busby during the Second World War, and after being demobbed he began his new role in October 1945. It was not until four FA Cup games the following January that United contested a competitive game under their new manager, but Busby’s first full season, 1946/47, yielded a second-placed finish – the club’s best since the 1910/11 title triumph.
The enlistment of assistant manager Jimmy Murphy was a key part of the Reds’ upturn in fortunes, and the duo’s second term together culminated in a thrilling victory over Blackpool in the 1948 FA Cup final. United’s 4-2 win remains an all-time classic, but even in the immediate aftermath of the success, Busby and Murphy were pondering the best way to move their successful but ageing side to the next level.
The answer lay in the club’s Manchester United Junior Athletic Club (MUJAC) system, into which the manager would repeatedly delve over the coming years. “Matt’s ideal was to create at Old Trafford the sort of spirit one gets in a school team in which players grow up together, and know one another both on and off the field,” Murphy later revealed. “It was not enough to have a group of fine young footballers; they had to have a sense of belonging.”
That was fostered over the coming seasons as a succession of top young talents were assimilated into first-team duty. Two homegrown players had featured in the 1948 FA Cup final win over Blackpool; by the time the Reds clinched the 1955/56 First Division title against the Seasiders, the team contained eight players reared in-house.
Busby insisted that his Babes be given the chance to compete in the recently formed European Cup, defying the Football Association’s wishes to do so. The rest, of course, is history. The Reds’ second tilt at the competition ended in tragedy in Munich, prompting Busby to regularly berate himself for surviving where others had perished. Though he initially wanted to turn his back on football, Busby was talked around by his wife, Jean, who said: “I am sure those who have gone would have wanted you to carry on.”
Though it was an excruciating process to rebuild first himself, then United, Matt Busby did so in a remarkably short space of time. Five years on, his heartbroken club had won the FA Cup. Another half-decade on, two league titles already secured, he had led them to the European Cup so coveted by his Babes.
A knighthood swiftly followed and, after his retirement, a place on the board of directors before the role of club president beckoned.
Though United’s fortunes faltered after winning the European Cup, the arrival of Alex Ferguson in 1986 marked a watershed in the club’s history. “Sir Matt was extremely supportive when I arrived at Old Trafford,” Ferguson later revealed. “The welcome he gave me was marvellous and he helped me to settle down at the club. I never forgot it and I never will.”
By the time of Sir Matt’s death on 20 January 1994, he had seen his beloved United reclaim domestic rule while playing football worthy of the Babes; a fitting send-off for the man to which all the United hallmarks can be traced back. Ferguson built his Old Trafford success on familiar foundations: a reliance on homegrown talent and a commitment to attacking football. The Sir Matt Busby way.
Why are you pushing me to become the devil's advocate? You do know that we've yet to develop 1 decent homegrown manager don't you?
If stories about PSG and Mourinho courting each other are true, Tuchel will be on the market by summer. Is he a contender? And no-one seems to be tipping a manger with experience of winning the Champions League, Europa League, Club World Cup and La Liga (with a team that was neither Real nor Barca), with extensive experience and knowledge of the Premier League, and who is almost certainly going to resign from his current post - step forward Rafa Benitez. With our current board in place, and his credentials, it could happen…...
If you thought football under Jose was negative.......
Zidane > Ole > Poch imo
Don't be ridiculous. We aren't going to bring benitez here. And real Madrid are supposedly after mourinho so I wouldn't bank on seeing him go to PSG.
So torn between Poch & Ole, however that says it all as to how well Ole has done. Originally I was 100% Poch, a month & I feel 50/50 so possibly by the end of the season I’ll be all in on Ole
We need the Rino.
@Damien, when OLE eventually gets ahead of Pochettino in this poll, would you please lock this thread and throw away the key?
Ole now up to 417 and 20.2% of the vote. Poch at 1008 and 48.9%.
I reckon some people don't even know they an change their vote.
Yeah this poll really needs to be reset. It's not an accurate reflection anymore. Most people don't know about changing their vote.
There is no way nearly 50% still want Poch ahead of Ole
There is no way nearly 50% still want Poch ahead of Ole
Imo, shortlist should be down to two.
Poch or Ole.
Poch or Ole.
I came on to post the same thing. Or maybe Poch, Ole or Other (post below). And restart it.
Giving the job to Pochettino now represents more of a gamble than giving the job to Ole, if its no longer broken it doesn't need fixing!
The record of first ever United manager to win their first 8 games at the club is testament to the job he's done so far.
However, I still think it'd be premature to give him the job full-time before the season is out.
As unlikely as this might be, you never know what will happen between now and the end of the season - we may fall of a cliff.
Obviously he's not going to win every game between now and the end of the season but if it carries on in a similar vain and we do make top 4 then I think he'd be the man for the job. But I think we need to get to the end of the season before committing one way or the other.
However, I still think it'd be premature to give him the job full-time before the season is out.
As unlikely as this might be, you never know what will happen between now and the end of the season - we may fall of a cliff.
Obviously he's not going to win every game between now and the end of the season but if it carries on in a similar vain and we do make top 4 then I think he'd be the man for the job. But I think we need to get to the end of the season before committing one way or the other.
Time now to change my vote. He's made me enjoy watching again. 2 year contract and see how he goes with a few big signings in the Summer.
Didn't think I could love Ole any more than I did.
These past 8 games have proven me wrong about that.
He's a class act both on and off the pitch.
These past 8 games have proven me wrong about that.
He's a class act both on and off the pitch.
This poll has some properly bonkers options
One argument against waiting until the end of the year is that is takes away a lot of prep time for next season. Realistically, are we going to know much more at the end of the season than we know at the end of March?
It's been a dream start, and long may the dream continue. He's showing smarts (not least with bringing Phelan into the fold) and can no longer be said to have been lucky by having only easy games but let's see how he handles a defeat which will surely happen. Do we bounce back or feel like a punctured balloon? I like the guy and will support the team regardless but giving him half a season, with all the ups and downs that inevitably occur, is the best decision the united board have made in years. Time enough in summer, but it's looking good.
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