This is a huge indicator.
Poll: Is Wayne Rooney past it and should he be sold?
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This is a huge indicator.
Well it meant to be rather off the pitch, we all know how hard Rooney worked on it but even now he seems to lose his grit and fighting spirit he had, there is definitely some influence from restrictive Van Gaal's tactics but he's far less dynamic every year and this should be monitored well as he's becoming more and more a player who needs good players around him rather than the opposite who he always was but it's long gone I guess. I don't think it's good for the team that he starts every game, he's the type of player who needs to get some games in a row and gets to it and there are some players who don't need it.
The cons versus pros are on the increase and we should soon evaluate whether to sell him or keep him with some squad role, he's on massive decline despite still being valuable to the club but never as a guaranteed starter. I think Fergie's ego was big and he could fall out very easily with players but perhaps he liked that hierarchy and Rooney was too big for him. On the other hand Rooney's ego has been also very big, he liked to have a word with Fergie about line-ups and players we should buy or he leaves etc. I think it was quite natural reaction from Fergie and as far as I remember he gave him another chance..
Ander Herrera is the most important player in our team, he's the best in his role in the league IMO, he will be a hot candidate for next player of the season if we win anything next year I presume
Yours? Rooney?
If consistently poor means a good standard for United player than... OKThese thread are quite annoying. Despite being shuttled all over, he still is the most consistent performer in our team.
Rooney is the exact opposite of consistent and that has always been his biggest flaw.
Over the last 10 years you can have one game where he looks absolutely world class and then a week later he looks like a pub team player. Barring 1 or maybe 2 years that's been the case every season.
Over the last 10 years you can have one game where he looks absolutely world class and then a week later he looks like a pub team player. Barring 1 or maybe 2 years that's been the case every season.
Consistency is not a word I associate with Rooney's performances.
If consistently poor means a good standard for United player than... OK
Ok, over the past 3 seasons who else were consistently better than Rooney? Outfield player, that is.
Most of the squad weren't even at the club in 2012. The only surviving first team players that have played for us this season are:
De Gea, Rafael, Jones, Evans, Rooney, Smalling, Carrick, Young, van Persie and Valencia.
Not trying to put words into your mouth here, but I think I know what your getting at. Rooney, as the other two have said has been anything but consistent in his time at United, but I'm willing to put my neck out and say that Rooney is the player the entire squad look to; to bail us out of tricky situations or lead us in the bigger games. For 6 seasons now he's been the main man, but because of his well renowned huge dips in form that he suffers from, a lot of fans forget about how much he offers and how we have relied on him. For 10 years now, he's more often than not finished the season being one of our top 2 or 3 players. But because he's never quite reached the magnificent heights we thought he would; he's not praised for his outstanding performances when they come along as much.
must be Carrick but we haven't got much players left since three years back, all are either injured, gone or well became shit like Evans who was fairly consistent the same with Rafael, both also injured often but yeah you've got a point, Rooney would be among top three most consistent players if anything, the problem is his big performance dips from year to year. Tom Cleverley was also very consistent do you remember? (Not really comparing Rooney to him)
But, you have to point out that Rooney has been arguably the most consistent outfield player the last two seasons. Because some here try to make it seem that all our problems start with Rooney. If that was the case we should have played champagne Football in matches he didn't play. That obviously has not been the case these last two seasons.
Have a look in the dictionary at what consistent means, and then go back and read your post. It's the first time in years anyone on this forum has called Rooney consistent.
I thought it might be Herrera. I don't really know who I'd say our best player is, but i'm not a Herrera fan boy. I hope he pushes on but he's got a long way to go to get to the level you're expecting. I would say Mata is more important, but in all honesty the team is a mess.
Rooney is a very big problem, no doubt about it, but he actually scored an ok amount of goals last season considering how much he got dicked about.
If we're talking about our most important player (rather than best) then Carrick is way ahead of Herrera, Rooney, Mata and anyone else.
As for Rooney, he can be extremely inconsistent from week to week but it does tend to work out the same season on season so I guess you could argue he's consistent in that sense.
As for Rooney, he can be extremely inconsistent from week to week but it does tend to work out the same season on season so I guess you could argue he's consistent in that sense.
I voted past it but keep him.
Hard to tell really, but if he gets to play as a striker next season, or even in the hole consistently, it'll be clear for all to see if he's past it or not.
This season he was often played in midfield, and our performances were crap quite a few times. The constant tinkering with the formation and the rotation of players didn't excactly benefit Rooney, or anyone else for that matter.
I'm confident that he'll have better delivery from midfield and the rest of the team next season. If Carrick can stay fit and we bring in some quality players as well, I believe he'll score at least 15 goals next season.
Hard to tell really, but if he gets to play as a striker next season, or even in the hole consistently, it'll be clear for all to see if he's past it or not.
This season he was often played in midfield, and our performances were crap quite a few times. The constant tinkering with the formation and the rotation of players didn't excactly benefit Rooney, or anyone else for that matter.
I'm confident that he'll have better delivery from midfield and the rest of the team next season. If Carrick can stay fit and we bring in some quality players as well, I believe he'll score at least 15 goals next season.
He hasn't been great the last few years but still one of our better players. We are improving so lets see what he can do in a proper functioning team.
Imagine how many goals he would have if Fergie kept him as lead striker after the 2010 season and didn't buy Chicharito or RVP.
With the exception of Fergie's last season Rooney is our best player or among them. Also, whenever he is not in the side we look much worse.
I honestly think the constant shifting around of position pisses him right off and it's tough to get on a good role when you play a few games in midfield, then no 10, then lead striker. LVG should stick him up top and leave him there.
Imagine how many goals he would have if Fergie kept him as lead striker after the 2010 season and didn't buy Chicharito or RVP.
With the exception of Fergie's last season Rooney is our best player or among them. Also, whenever he is not in the side we look much worse.
I honestly think the constant shifting around of position pisses him right off and it's tough to get on a good role when you play a few games in midfield, then no 10, then lead striker. LVG should stick him up top and leave him there.
When I think about it, I can't write off someone like Rooney. Played consistently up front, he's capable of 20 league goals next season.
He's not at that level that turns the big Champions League games, but he's still a very good player.
If he has an iffy season, it'll probably be time to get in someone younger.
He's not at that level that turns the big Champions League games, but he's still a very good player.
If he has an iffy season, it'll probably be time to get in someone younger.
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Yea good man.. touch on will ye! The only team there that I'd half agree with you is Barca because I don't see how he would fit into playing with Neymar, Messi rather than Suarez. But the other four, City and Chelsea? You're having a laugh, he'd walk into either of those teams. Benzema before Rooney? Mad cnut! And Bayern? Who is their world class striker that would keep Rooney out of the team? Thomas Muller? Good man yourself.
You're deluded if you think he'd get in ahead of Lewandowski, Aguero and Costa.
Are you drunk or just dumb? Aguero, Costa, Benzema and Lewandowski are all better than Rooney.
Yes, they are without a doubt.
Hahahahaha, he can't even get ahead of an off form RVP
If it's him instead of Costa? I'd be happy. They'll have that headache of having to play him all over the park, and when they put him in midfield at the expense of hazard.... well.. rejoice
RVP hasn't been scoring as many goals as he should have done, same as Rooney and Hernandez (last season with us). Is it a coincidence?
In my opinion Rooney's best position is as a second striker in a 442/4411, a formation we no longer play. His touch and hold up isn't very good to play as a lone striker at a top club; and his close control, vision, dribbling and passing isn't top notch to play as a play-maker/number 10. What Rooney posses is an excellent work-rate, ability to score goals, long passing, determination and never say die attitude.
I don't think he is past it, the problem is the comparisons we make are with either top strikers or top play-makers, and he'd always come up short in those. Rooney is not an automatic starter for me in 433 we played last season; I don't think he can play the lone striker role and become the "silent dominator" for 45 games a season. Since no will buy him with the 3 years left on his huge contract, our best bet is that he adapts and excels in the position that Fellaini played in last season.
I don't think he is past it, the problem is the comparisons we make are with either top strikers or top play-makers, and he'd always come up short in those. Rooney is not an automatic starter for me in 433 we played last season; I don't think he can play the lone striker role and become the "silent dominator" for 45 games a season. Since no will buy him with the 3 years left on his huge contract, our best bet is that he adapts and excels in the position that Fellaini played in last season.
We have a woefully creative midfield which is compounded when Rooney is in it. I watched the Nigerian Women's game yesterday and they made an impressive number of through passes into the box for their strikers. I could not help but think that such plays would have delighted RVP and even Falcao.
If it's him instead of Costa he'd play up front and he'd be sensational.
not unlike the majority of players, Wayne Rooney plays better with better players. He's struggled to be the fulcrum of the side, he's far better in a support role where he gets more time and space as well as options ahead of him. Memphis is a good start and a couple more of his ilk will bring the best out of Rooney.
fwiw my 2 cents are he'd start week in week out for city and chelsea no question. In place of Costa full time and in place of Aguerro when he's injured (half a season) or in behind him when he's not. I think he'd start at Real too, its the Ronaldo show over there and he's a big fan of Rooneys work rate around him (he'd also be deemed galatico meaning he'd start every week anyway - they'd just go 2 at the back to accomodate). He'd get plenty of games at Bayern but perhaps not a gauranteed starter. No one gets into the Barca front 3
Rooneys not been brilliant for the past couple of seasons but (DDG aside) he's still been our best player and football is a team game, our team has been relatively poor so its no coincidence he's suffered to perform. With the right recruitment he'll fly again. I understand he pissed a lot of fans off with his contract issues but it baffles me to see so many united fans happy to dump our main man
fwiw my 2 cents are he'd start week in week out for city and chelsea no question. In place of Costa full time and in place of Aguerro when he's injured (half a season) or in behind him when he's not. I think he'd start at Real too, its the Ronaldo show over there and he's a big fan of Rooneys work rate around him (he'd also be deemed galatico meaning he'd start every week anyway - they'd just go 2 at the back to accomodate). He'd get plenty of games at Bayern but perhaps not a gauranteed starter. No one gets into the Barca front 3
Rooneys not been brilliant for the past couple of seasons but (DDG aside) he's still been our best player and football is a team game, our team has been relatively poor so its no coincidence he's suffered to perform. With the right recruitment he'll fly again. I understand he pissed a lot of fans off with his contract issues but it baffles me to see so many united fans happy to dump our main man
That is definitely true and it's a shame that he never got to play there consistently at his peak with a complementary 9. If RVN and him were closer in age that would have been an awesome front two.
Why the hell don't we play him up top then?
not all obviously, the team has stagnated for some time so there are many other problems like RB - injury prone Rafael vs Valencia, proper CM, CDM missing for years, CB, not good enough wingers etc. but I don't think our strike force is the same it used to be either.. back in the day when we had Berbatov, Rooney, VP and Hernandez it looked sensational and it was but right now all the players declined massively and we also need man up front and when Rooney's "off form" and RVP got to play as no9 Rooney drops deep and push better players out of team ie. Herrera. After all I think Center midfield has been the worst problem of all problems.
So tbh I just don't like his consistent averageness, the same is for example with Valencia..
Exactly
He's a victim of his ability to play elsewhere.
He's our Raul- Del Piero and like them are just dragging out the inevitable. He's got two years maximum hope he manages to break the record in that time. Would be nice.
Because we had two other big name strikers the manager attempted to keep happy.
I fear you're quite deluded, DDG, Smalling, Carrick, Young, Blind have been far more consistent than Rooney has. Unless if you think being poor for a long period is consistent too.These thread are quite annoying. Despite being shuttled all over, he still is the most consistent performer in our team.
Young? From calling for his head to a consistent performer?
The only person in that list comparable to Rooney is Carrick who has been crucial in defence as Rooney is to attack (excl the GK ofc).
Do you even consider the facts the amount of times he has been played out of positions? He is not a midfielder and just plays there because we do not have any better option. It says lots for the team that he is still a better player off positions than most in position. The amount of effort he puts in to shore up the pathetic excuse of a midfield we have fielded before is somehow his fault now! Oh, the irony!
Sounds like excuses to me. Work rate alone isn't enough to get you a spot in the team.Young? From calling for his head to a consistent performer?
The only person in that list comparable to Rooney is Carrick who has been crucial in defence as Rooney is to attack (excl the GK ofc).
Do you even consider the facts the amount of times he has been played out of positions? He is not a midfielder and just plays there because we do not have any better option. It says lots for the team that he is still a better player off positions than most in position. The amount of effort he puts in to shore up the pathetic excuse of a midfield we have fielded before is somehow his fault now! Oh, the irony!
And Young has been playing consistently well this season considering his role in the team, and our expectations of him.
How is a performance drop when played off position an excuse? With such a ineffective midfield, none of the strikers were able to make an impact and Rooney is still the most effective of the lot. Get a decent midfield and play him upfront before making deciding if he is effective or not!
Expectations off Young were nearly non-existent beginning this season. As long as he doesn't embarrass himself it would be exceeding expectations. Are you seriously saying Young brings more the the team than Rooney?