He's still a very good player. Is he at his peak? No. Is he worth £300k a week? No. Would I get rid of him? No. You're better with Rooney in the squad than otherwise.
Poll: Is Wayne Rooney past it and should he be sold?
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When he play poorly, he's on 300k. When he plays good, he's on a 'lot'.
We shouldve sold him the 2nd time he threw his toys out if the pram but no.....the ever insightful moyes decided to give him a contract worth 300k a week, Cheers moyes.
He can't do a good job up front anymore
He's absolutely dire in midfield
As far as I'm concerned there's no place for him in the starting 11 anymore. He's holding us back now.
He can't do a good job up front anymore
He's absolutely dire in midfield
As far as I'm concerned there's no place for him in the starting 11 anymore. He's holding us back now.
If Ferguson wanted him gone then why did he refused to accept his transfer requests?
I think I'm the minority here that I think he's still a very good striker. He just needs to play at upfront at all times, not this fecking him around in midfield.
I think I'm the minority here that I think he's still a very good striker. He just needs to play at upfront at all times, not this fecking him around in midfield.
Completely subjective tho and I doubt many would agree. I'd have lots above him, and even if ignoring that, best of a bad bunch doesn't make him good.
Not even close.
Think Fegie wouldve sold him if he had stayed 1 more year
DDG, Smalling, Carrick, Herrera, Mata, Young...
Who are your top 3? Herrera, Smalling, Mata, Young, Carrick and De Gea have all been better and stepped up to the plate when it mattered. It was Mata who got us through that tough run against the top 6 and not Rooney.
Lol @ the 30% that think we should sell him. Cause our squad is littered with leaders...
I don't think he should be sold but he's not shown his best for a while which does raise the question whether it's behind him.
Hard to judge after a season where he's had to spend a lot of time bizarrely in midfield.
I certainly don't think we should be selling him, but he shouldn't be undroppable if he's in poor form either.
Competition for his place would help, that and not playing him anywhere other than up front.
Hard to judge after a season where he's had to spend a lot of time bizarrely in midfield.
I certainly don't think we should be selling him, but he shouldn't be undroppable if he's in poor form either.
Competition for his place would help, that and not playing him anywhere other than up front.
Not nearly as explosive as he used to be so yes past his best. His finishing and passing have improved a lot, not enough to quite compensate.
So he planned to replace Rooney with someone who would become shit before him. Smart!
Why is this forum so anti Rooney? I think people expect him to perform like Messi/Ronaldo
No, but if we should sell Rooney based on his performances, we should sell 75 % of our squad. There's a case for DDG, Mata, Young and Carrick being above Rooney this season but it's inarguable that he's been one of our better players. He's our top scorer after all. Some people just refuse to forget the contract saga.
That's the problem though, van Gaal seems to see his captain as exactly that meaning even if we have a striker or attacking midfielder in better form we might have to change the formation to shoehorn him in.
I'm no apologist for Moyes but wouldn't that have been the Boards decision?
He's certainly past his best but that doesn't mean he isn't still a very good player. I don't see why we would sell him really, especially as it would be hard to get a good fee given his wages.
It's not impossible that we'd strengthen to the point where he shouldn't be a guaranteed starter though. The real question is how much of an issue it will be if that ever happens.
It's not impossible that we'd strengthen to the point where he shouldn't be a guaranteed starter though. The real question is how much of an issue it will be if that ever happens.
That's always been my theory.
But I dunno, really. It's a combination of factors, I guess. Rooney has contributed a great deal for us over the years, more than most – so at least partly the animosity (which is exceptional given how long he's been a United player, and a constant feature on the pitch at that) isn't warranted in terms of the pure football side of things.
Unless, that is, we fault him for not being quite as good as we'd like him to be. Which is a bit silly, all things said and done. Not least when the “answer” to this “problem” is to get rid of him without further ado. Nevermind that there's roughly a dozen players who should be kicked out before him based on recent performances.
If he doesn't perform to LVG's standards, he'll be dropped. It's that simple. LVG wants to win things, he won't stick with Rononey, captain or not, if he has doubts about him as a player.
He's hardly one of our bigger concerns. We need to concentrate on bringing in the right quality, rather than getting rid of one of the better players we do have, even if he is beginning to decline a bit.
Exactly.
Not really. Not all our players are on the money Rooney is on, and they're less likely to demand a starting position like he is. Plus he could command a fee much larger than most of our other players.
It is arguable that he's been one of our better players - I don't think he has. I think by anyone's standards he's been average, and by his own standards he's been terrible.
The contract saga isn't my main issue with him. There are likely as many people who ignorantly think that problems aimed at Rooney are personal and based on his history with the club as people who actually use that as a catalyst for bashing him. Objectively, there's multiple reasons why one would look to sell him.
He's been playing at the top level of the game for a very, very long time given how young he was when he started at Everton - the effects of that will inevitably start to show around this age. Perhaps the time is coming where he has to be "managed" a bit better to compensate for that.
What should be asked in Rooney's case, having seen the deterioration over the last few seasons, is what is he going to like in one or two seasons, at this rate of decline. With the kind of salaries involved, we could have a player on our books who is paid a kings ransom & who has long since been replaced, i.e. by the purchase of two forwards, over the next three windows, by the season 2016/17 start.
I honestly think now is the time & we have to bust a gut to replace him & RVP.
I honestly think now is the time & we have to bust a gut to replace him & RVP.
He is 2nd highest scorer in Premier League history, and only 19 goals from being the highest goalscorer in United history. Plus, he should be in his peak theoretically. He's captain of the club, been with us for 10 years, and has set himself some very high standards which he wasn't even worthy of comparison with this season. He's also on 300k a week. I don't expect Messi/Ronaldo but the performances you've seen from Rooney this year haven't matched his numbers, his income, or his status in football.
A player always inconsistent yes. But he was always a regular match winner and man of the match performer. This year he's been neither, and his quality has rarely been on show.
A season where we finished 4th and played mostly tumescent football, If the goal is merely to remain in the Arsenal trophy spot then we can probably do that with Rooney as a pivotal piece, but if the plan is to take the team towards winning again I think he needs to become more of a squad option than mister nailed on.
100% no for me.
I know Van Gaal said something about always playing his captain earlier in the season but I think that's either being taken too literally or is lost in translation. Van Gaal's shown throughout his career he's willing to drop big names, most recently Di Maria, Falcao and RvP. I don't for one moment think he's somehow scared or reluctant to drop Rooney just because he nominated him as captain.
This. I'm in the "Yes, but I'd still keep him" camp, because buying two strikers (we need to replace Falcao/RVP as well) and all the other problem areas in one summer is likely to be impossible.
He hasn't been one of our better players this season. There's been a bunch of players that people have listed who've been good, one who's been great (De Gea), a few who've been awful (Evans, Falcao) and some who've been disappointing (Di Maria, van Persie). Rooney is the group of average performers this season, he's played a lot more than most and has shown his capabilities here and there but it's not enough for someone who's supposed to be in his prime and has taken the armband this year. He might well be our top goal scorer, but it's 12 league goals in our lowest collective tally in 10 years and he's not any injury problems. He's played in midfield yes, but actually scored more goals from there than as a central striker during a period where we started to hit form in March/April.
I actually voted the same, despite my huge frustration with him. I'm concerned about him under Van Gaal though. Rooney's an instinctual player for me, and he's looked robotic under Van Gaal this season. There's so many tasks that Van Gaal wants from his strikers that I'm just not sure he can flourish quite the same without being 'let loose' somewhat.
Biggest problem with Rooney is that LvG has made him untouchable. Rooney is not going to lead this team to a title as the main striker, he has too many ups and downs during the season to do that. He is still a good player as a #9, but it's very sporadic. I hate seeing him in midfield, and he just does not have the quality to play as a #10. His first touch is very dodgy, and his short range passing is not up to standards. Another issue i see with Rooney is that he is still pretty fast when running in a straight line, but when playing as a #10, you need to be nimble, able to turn with the ball and get past a defender which Rooney does not look capable of.
It's a tough situation with Rooney, you can't drop him to the bench with the wages he is on, but you cannot have him as the untouchable player LvG has turned him into. If there is a chance to get purchase Lacazette this summer, then Woody should do whatever he can to get hold of him.
It's a tough situation with Rooney, you can't drop him to the bench with the wages he is on, but you cannot have him as the untouchable player LvG has turned him into. If there is a chance to get purchase Lacazette this summer, then Woody should do whatever he can to get hold of him.
I still Rooney has a lot to offer us but i dont think its as a striker or as a midfielder. Personally i would like to see him play on the left of a front 3 similar to how he was deployed through 07-09 where i think he was at his best. Out on the wing playing a similar role to Mata i think we would use all his best attributes.
Maybe, but then look how that turned out last time when Ferguson started dropping him in 2013- a second transfer request. I'd keep him for now because apart from some sort of weird swap deal involving Benzema I don't think there's much chance of us buying a top striker this summer and I also think other areas need improving first. The lack of creativity and chances has been startling this year so our forwards do get cut some slack there but I've not been convinced by him in a lone central role this season.
What a second half that was
I've a feeling that with new midfield players targeted, that will be Herrera's position, much to Mata's expense.
The same man who didn't saw the hole in our midfield or that Tevez should have been kept?
Rooney is still good enough, he still has a very good finishing, he played half of the season in midfield and scored more than half of what we expect from our main striker.
Talking of hunger, to think he has the England goal record at his finger tips & he played like that today - harsh?What a second half that was
Every time Rooney has poor a performance these types of threads happen.
100% no from me he's a pivotal component of our team.
This has all been said before...
100% no from me he's a pivotal component of our team.
This has all been said before...