He finished the season very, very poorly, and this crappy game hasn't helped the mood, particuarly with his dogshite touch on the break away chance, I'm also rather bored of always feeling underwhelmed by Rooneys displays.... but, he's still a good player, stick him at no.9 next year he still should be good enough to knock in 20+ goals, as someone else above mentioned, he's had these type of spells before and come through them.
Poll: Is Wayne Rooney past it and should he be sold?
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I agree, I think there are other areas we need to improve first and the fact that we created less chances than QPR in the league is shocking considering who we have available to us. A replacement for Carrick as he gets phased is absolutely vital this summer as I think most people recognise.
Still a world class forward but i dont think he really fits the style we're moving towards.
Just my opinion but a bit of complacency has crept into Rooney's attitude over the past year or so. He's been poor as team captain and hasn't provided the leadership of a Keane, a Robson, or a Gary Neville for that matter. He's a passenger in midfield when he plays there and apart from the odd long diagonal pass to Valencia, when was the last time he took the game by the scruff of the neck and actually forced a change?
The biggest problem is we are treating him like Barca treat Messi or Real treat Ronaldo, making him undroppable as well as Captain when he should just be competing for starts on level footing with the rest of the players. Personally I think while he remains our starting #9 or #10 we wont win either the PL or CL.
Shouldn't be undroppable. He has periods of really bad for that we all know about.
If you gave me the option of a younger, quicker forward as replacement I would do it.
Best solution is he drops into a semi-rotation role, but as captain that's difficult
If you gave me the option of a younger, quicker forward as replacement I would do it.
Best solution is he drops into a semi-rotation role, but as captain that's difficult
Yea, honestly I see what you're saying, all vailid points, on the complacency issue, I feel as if it's been going on longer, I would say its been noticeable in spells since about... 2012'ish.
And the last time you saw him change a game by himself? honestly I can't even think of the last time it's been so long, but It's the idea we treat him as a player who's special enough that can do that...
In reality he's not a truely special player, despite his hideous wages... he's just a good player, which can still do the job for us next year while we rebuild the rest of the team.
Who realistically would buy him? I think Mourinho's interest a few years ago was not genuine.
He is still a money maker for Utd and with him on the brink of being Utd's all-time scorer and nearing on the prem's record the Glazer's probably will want to keep him. If all things were equal however, I would sell him immediately because once he is on the field the attacking play goes through him and I am sure Benzema, if he indeed comes here, will have one of the worst seasons of his pro career. Both rooney and Mata look to score for themselves and do not creatively link up with No9s. Some will say Rooney linked up well with Wellbeck but how about, Saha, Berbatov, RVP and Falcao?
In Europe we would have to compete against Barca, Real, Bayern, Juve and PSG and when I look at their style of play and the individual skill of their attacking and midfield players what chance to we have with Rooney as our main man. Benching him would be ideal but I suspect the chaos that would cause in the media and stands could put undue pressure on our starters.
Getting rid of him would probably be the best option but I doubt that is going to happen so be prepared for another 2 trophyless years.
He is still a money maker for Utd and with him on the brink of being Utd's all-time scorer and nearing on the prem's record the Glazer's probably will want to keep him. If all things were equal however, I would sell him immediately because once he is on the field the attacking play goes through him and I am sure Benzema, if he indeed comes here, will have one of the worst seasons of his pro career. Both rooney and Mata look to score for themselves and do not creatively link up with No9s. Some will say Rooney linked up well with Wellbeck but how about, Saha, Berbatov, RVP and Falcao?
In Europe we would have to compete against Barca, Real, Bayern, Juve and PSG and when I look at their style of play and the individual skill of their attacking and midfield players what chance to we have with Rooney as our main man. Benching him would be ideal but I suspect the chaos that would cause in the media and stands could put undue pressure on our starters.
Getting rid of him would probably be the best option but I doubt that is going to happen so be prepared for another 2 trophyless years.
Well Wayne might break Sir Bobby Charltons record when England play San Marino, in the past you would expect him to score against ROI or the likes of Slovenia. If he is this rusty after a couple of weeks off, what will he be like after another holiday?
This. Its not a coincidence that all of our strikers struggled this season. Rooney hasn't single-handedly changed a match in our favour this season because the system LvG uses doesn't allow him to, and that would be the same of any striker we bring in this summer. In the derby match at home he had about a dozen touches of the ball, and that was one of our best matches this season. Rather than blaming the strikers, we need to get them more involved and give them more chances, and that has to come from the midfield.
Just no. It was a long time ago, really.
I feel that if LVG wants to build a team that can compete for the next 5+ years, then Rooney is not the striker to build it around.
He's definitely past his peak and if it was a realistic option I'd sell him but I can't see that happening.
We're going to be stuck with him for a while.
I think he's still a pretty good finisher when a chance is presented to him but he's declined hugely at everything else. His first touch these days is desperately poor.
We're going to be stuck with him for a while.
I think he's still a pretty good finisher when a chance is presented to him but he's declined hugely at everything else. His first touch these days is desperately poor.
Do u watch United? He hasnt been world class since 2011/12.
He's not worth his wages. I'd be surprised if anyone was willing to take him off our hands for the amount he'd cost them.
I would sell him for 35 million and re-invest elsewhere. I used to be a huge fan, but the years have not been kind on Wayne, I always imagined his football brain would give him an edge into his elder years, doesn't even seem to have that luxury anymore.
The biggest issue is the captaincy, it forces us to play him regardless.
Irrelevant question because he won't be
Easy to ship him out if that is what LVG were to decide to do. Rooney would take a huge pay cut to play regularly, so take away the Captaincy, leave him out, tell him his future is limited & his ego will do the rest but don't expect many millions for him. Demand will have lessened for his services now - would Jose still take him?
Of course until we can get in two top forwards, there is little point to this discussion at this time, though I think one more average season from him & we really will struggle to move him on.
So is now the time, yes, IF, we can find TWO, very good forwards to replace him & RVP in this window.
Of course until we can get in two top forwards, there is little point to this discussion at this time, though I think one more average season from him & we really will struggle to move him on.
So is now the time, yes, IF, we can find TWO, very good forwards to replace him & RVP in this window.
Exactly, for the wages he's paid, close to 250k a week you would expect someone on the same level as Aguero or Suarez. Someone who the team can rely on every game to deliver a goal when the team needs it consistently throughout the season, not someone who turns up for a maximum of 10 games a season.
World class means you are one of the best and would you put Rooney in the same category as Robben, Aguero, Suarez, Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo and other players of a similar level? He is being paid as a player of that level but is he?
LVG seems to be pretty happy with his contribution as captain and someone willing to sacrifice for the team by playing multiple positions, so this is bit pointelss poll apart from throwing insult on him for which there's already his original thread.
I'll stick in on the homepage tomorrow, want the current poll to run a bit longer.
Didn't stop him criticising the fact that none of our strikers were able to score 20.
Falcao was meant as being the world class signing up front but it didn't work out. van Gaal knows this and he shall buy a proper striker if there is such a player available.
The poll is interesting - 70% feel he's washed up.
LVG is brutally honest, doesn't hide anything and what he says he really means it, so if he think that his strikers aren't able to score 20 goals he'll say it.
And Falcao isn't proper striker?
I think he'll give Rooney complete season up-front, won't mess with him playing DM or whatever and if it doesn't work then he'll ship his ass out of the team.
Rooney is being praised by his manager, former and current teammates and opponents and pretty much everyone involved in football on daily basics yet people on Caf see Rooney as some sort of major hidrance to the team, really have to ask myself who to believe.
Thanks I was just requesting a poll and didn't know who to ask.
Yes, but I'd still keep him
Someone said recently (might have been Scholes) that Rooney peaked years ago. There might be something in that. I agree that we should hang on to him but not as an undroppable captain.
Not really. Ferguson had an agenda with various players at various stages and on occasion his ego got in the way of what was best for the club. Its clear he didn't like Rooney, and using his apparent opinion on a player sale as a point of refence when rvp aside his latter year transfer dealings were almost entirely car crashes is quite frankly more laughable.
For the record i'm very mixed when it comes to rooney. He did ok last season up top (including rinsing the spurs defence, not bad for a player who can't run at people) but hes been arsed about by our managers for so long its hard to know if he can be a 30 goal a season striker now. Obviously he had a stinker today, as did our whole team, but i didn't see anyone make a similar thread about blind when he was part of a holland defence that conceded 4 against the usa...
EDIT: I guess the real issue is his wages. Can we justify paying him that much to sit on the bench? I also don't want to see him play anywhere else other than 9. Its a mess really, as he is the only real leader we have on the field.
Rooney has aways been a tad inconsistent over the course of the season.
I do think his best days are behind him and don't see him scoring 20-25 goals for us again. Since about 2012 he has lost that bit of thrust and energy to his game that was so vital to him. When he is fully fit and on form he seems to somewhat recapture that ability somewhat but can't sustain for long periods of the campaign anymore. It's quite a contrast seeing the Rooney drive past the Spurs defenders to score and the Rooney that seems totally sluggish the last 6-7 games.
I feel we should keep him because he is still going to get 15 goals and so many assists next season. He is one of our few leaders left and has a wealth of experience. I mentioned in another thread that it isn't so much of a problem if we have other players in the team who can score a high number of goals.
I do think his best days are behind him and don't see him scoring 20-25 goals for us again. Since about 2012 he has lost that bit of thrust and energy to his game that was so vital to him. When he is fully fit and on form he seems to somewhat recapture that ability somewhat but can't sustain for long periods of the campaign anymore. It's quite a contrast seeing the Rooney drive past the Spurs defenders to score and the Rooney that seems totally sluggish the last 6-7 games.
I feel we should keep him because he is still going to get 15 goals and so many assists next season. He is one of our few leaders left and has a wealth of experience. I mentioned in another thread that it isn't so much of a problem if we have other players in the team who can score a high number of goals.
I couldn't tell you what he does well any more. His workrate was always his thing, and I think that inspired his teammates to some extent, but those days are gone.
His finishing is quite good. His first touch is often very poor. He can't dribble, he's not quick and his tight passing is poor. He is okay at sending it wide, mainly to Valencia, but that's not enough to justify his inclusion in the team. His freekicks are poor and so are his penalties.
His finishing is quite good. His first touch is often very poor. He can't dribble, he's not quick and his tight passing is poor. He is okay at sending it wide, mainly to Valencia, but that's not enough to justify his inclusion in the team. His freekicks are poor and so are his penalties.
Should increase wages to 350k for his long lasting contributions to the team. Loyal.
Ferguson has had agendas, as you say, for 20+ years at Old Trafford. But he would put up with players he disliked as long as he viewed them as an asset to the team. Stam is the only one I can remember where Ferguson definitely made a mistake -- the rest were shipped out ruthlessly and for the better. He clearly wanted to do this with Rooney.
I'm not really counting today's game, every player was absolutely terrible.
It's too late now. But yes we should have sold him in my opinion. As things are now we should keep him.
LVG will not hesitate on stripping any player of his captaincy if a better candidate comes along. I'm not worried at all in that regard.
Can't believe these results. He was one of our top three players this season.
Btw, is he really on 300k per week? I thought it was more of 200k+ with the image rights or something along those lines?