hasn't been good enough for a few years now. Fish and chips diet is showing...
Poll: Is Wayne Rooney past it and should he be sold?
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I do think the discipline of the role under LvG is not suited to him, maybe part of it is why he's so slack at the simple things right now, his mind is too focused on his positional job.
Excellent against villa and spurs? I want whatever glasses or tv set you have, we could become champion's league winner in that tv set
I think with RVN his attitude too meant that his perfomances would have likely declined had he remained..he had constantly complained that he wanted to win the UCL, and that he didnt feel that he could achieve that with us...There was also his (RVN's) fallout with Ronaldo..so we were definitely better ..And Fergie had contract disagreements with some of his other players, Rio and Keane I remember, but even with Keane, he got rid of him because of the football related reasons..I really think the Rooney signs were there, but a lot of people simply put it down to him being out of form, him being played out of position..
There's being terrible while trying hard. And then there's being terrible and not trying hard at all. When was the last time Rooney even had a good productive run of games?
Ruud had to go, he was holding the team back. Certain players don't have the personality to accept being bench players after their powers have waned... we would not have won the prem in 06/07 or the CL if Ruud had stayed. Fergie was right on that one.
The only bad call he's ever made in regards to getting rid of someone was Stam.
The only bad call he's ever made in regards to getting rid of someone was Stam.
the first time was contract issues, the second time Fergie dropped him from the team as he couldn't stay fit, and had to be sent to fat camp mid season.
Of course he could see what was coming, in his book he mentions Rooney's fitness issues and concern due to his natural body shape, the way he is built it is harder for him to maintain that level compared to a beckham or Giggs. Fergie knew Cantona had peaked physically for the premier league, and admits relief when he decided to retire himself
Not a chance in hell Ferguson/Gill would have granted him £300k a week till he is 34 years old. The first dispute he was still worth the hastle for the player he was, second time not so much
He hasn't got a lot going for him so far. Pace? Touch? Vision? Age? High wages...maybe we're a bit hasty sellin him now but a player earning that much Needs to be performing week in week out .
Yes and it's completely understandable, he has been around for 13-14 years art the top now, and the decline is virtually inevitable at this point.
Unless we get someone else in late then this should be his last season as the main striker, and it could be tough watch.
As for selling who the heck is going to buy him and cover his wages?
I still think he is a good finisher, if he can pop up with goals consistently then he should be valuable this season. When our attack gets going he might too, I think it's too early to judge, obviously 10 games from now if he has shown nothing then the manager will consider other options.
Hernandez might get his chance but to convince Louis to drop his captain he will need to perform well in training and for the reserves.
can we just sell rooney to somewhere like the newworld or the middle east, please?
He's started the season slowly, but I'm still hoping he comes good this season now LVG isn't going to dick about with his position. When I say come good, I mean grab us some goals and look like a proficient footballer without the first touch of a dead donkey. The wow factor, the ability to regularly turn games on their head, has long gone. He is a million miles away from the player he was at 17, the white Pele.
Over 500 games as a senior professional. I have to admit that I am a bit worried that he could face an early decline and this is the start of it.
Drops to deep, wants to get involved at all the wrong times, not fast enough....Thats Rooney as a striker these days
pal, maybe this is something very wrong. saf pointed it almost 3 years ago he already passed his peak
It's a known fact that Rooney scores in batches, so for those who expect him to score in every game forget it. He like every striker needs service, for thosewho want to condemn him and suggest we sell him get a life.
He is as determined as ever to win things with Manchester United, fully expect him to meet the challenge head on and get close to the 20 goals this season.
It's always easy to say let's move players on and then forget about the overall contribution the player has made.
He is as determined as ever to win things with Manchester United, fully expect him to meet the challenge head on and get close to the 20 goals this season.
It's always easy to say let's move players on and then forget about the overall contribution the player has made.
I'm not saying sell him, but if we want to win anything, we need a striker thats scores goals, not one that scores in batches.
That's why when he plays as the number 10, the pressure to score goals is lifted, and he can play the game he wants, drops deep, gets involved etc.
We can't rely on a striker that is going to score in 5 or 6 games, then not scored in 5 or 6
Yep, it's blindingly obvious that Wayne Rooney peaked about 7 years ago and has been steadily declining ever since, resulting in what we are seeing now. The performances of a 35 year old. We need a new world class striker if we are to compete with the big boys.
What has he actually contributed in the past few seasons to merit his wages? Why hold the team back when with his money we could buy a younger, hungrier player.
I'm afraid we're stuck with him cause of that contract.
Can anyone imagine him putting in a game winning display any more? Sure he might get a goal every now and then, pro, but I doubt he has what it takes to win a game on his own.
The fact that 20 goals is his target says it all. The top strikers will be looking at 30 at least.
I reckon Hernandez would out score him given the chance.
Can anyone imagine him putting in a game winning display any more? Sure he might get a goal every now and then, pro, but I doubt he has what it takes to win a game on his own.
The fact that 20 goals is his target says it all. The top strikers will be looking at 30 at least.
I reckon Hernandez would out score him given the chance.
Rooney fans or those who don't understand the criticism he receives should realize that it's not just about the lack of goals at all. During matches he is completely invisible, can't pass, can't dribble, can't hold the ball up, can't win headers, can't control the ball so on and so forth.... If Rooney's contribution to matches was much better but with zero goals, I guarantee you he'd receive better praise and fans would be more patient with him.
Nowadays he does feck all, he doesn't score, he doesn't look dangerous and he doesn't contribute to anything relevant during the match. This is why he is getting heavily criticized and not because he just doesn't score.
Nowadays he does feck all, he doesn't score, he doesn't look dangerous and he doesn't contribute to anything relevant during the match. This is why he is getting heavily criticized and not because he just doesn't score.
Yes exactly, like I said in another thread - I genuinely believe we could bring a 41 year-old Ryan Giggs out of retirement, and he'd still offer more on the pitch than Rooney has these past few games, even if he didn't score goals he'd at least have energy and drive.
As I see it only MLS or something in the middle east or far east. Going to be very difficult to sell him.
It looks more and more like SAF knew what he was doing when he tried to push him out at the end.
He's not a No. 9, gets too isolated and frustrated then drops out of position.
I like Rooney but he's been terrible in his last two games which wouldn't worry me ordinarily, he always starts the season slowly and its been quite a while since he played this role.
The worry is that we don't have any other options when he's playing badly, or to challenge for the position.
I still think he's most effective when he's more involved, so I'd like to see him at No 10, but we'd need a striker to make that happen and with LVG seeming to love playing wingers at No 10 and No 10's on the wing I can't see it.
I also think if we're not going to play Mata centrally we'd be better off selling him.
In general, service to our front men has been atrocious for a number of years now so I do think that needs to be factored in.
I like Rooney but he's been terrible in his last two games which wouldn't worry me ordinarily, he always starts the season slowly and its been quite a while since he played this role.
The worry is that we don't have any other options when he's playing badly, or to challenge for the position.
I still think he's most effective when he's more involved, so I'd like to see him at No 10, but we'd need a striker to make that happen and with LVG seeming to love playing wingers at No 10 and No 10's on the wing I can't see it.
I also think if we're not going to play Mata centrally we'd be better off selling him.
In general, service to our front men has been atrocious for a number of years now so I do think that needs to be factored in.
He is declining but he isn't finished and he will improve, I'm sure about that. I believe he's just in bad form at the moment so I'm giving him a couple/few more games to improve.
His performance against Villa was atrocious but that was just a very bad game from him. If we had a decent alternative I would probably drop him already and tell him to up his game, but we don't (I don't rate Hernandez). So for the moment I would keep him in the team but tell him to up his game even though he probably knows he is performing well below par.
I'm sure he will improve though and I think it's too early to claim that he's finished.
His performance against Villa was atrocious but that was just a very bad game from him. If we had a decent alternative I would probably drop him already and tell him to up his game, but we don't (I don't rate Hernandez). So for the moment I would keep him in the team but tell him to up his game even though he probably knows he is performing well below par.
I'm sure he will improve though and I think it's too early to claim that he's finished.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I can barely recall him dropping deep for a while. It seems that he's been told that he is supposed to lead the line and tie up defenders.
We can't know for sure, but some of the criticism levelled at him maybe should go to Louis instead.
And people seem to have forgotten that he was one of few players who did well during Moyes' reign.
He had 1 touch in the box against Villa.
Did he control it?
Sure, but he was still our forwardmost player most of the time. He's not been dropping deep to get on the ball and try to instigate things for players ahead of him.
As I see it only MLS or something in the middle east or far east. Going to be very difficult to sell him.
It looks more and more like SAF knew what he was doing when he tried to push him out at the end.
You have to ask the question then what is LvG seeing now that makes him think he can be a 20 goals + striker still? He clearly had massive doubts last season, but 12 months on when the decision for taking away from that position is even easier to make there he is.
I can only think it's the fact LvG has seen he can't function anywhere else on the pitch as he wants, and he can't really be dropped or sold, so plans to use other players to help hide his weaknesses (Pace of Depay in behind for example) , and hope other players chip in with plenty of goals.
Define control.
He might not be dropping deep in the same manner as he used to, but if his job is to lead the line and tie up defenders, then he's clearly not doing it very well.
Rooney has always been a very physical footballer. Loves a battle with a centre half and used to have a really electric burst of pace so obviously now that he is getting older he will decline more rapidly than say a Sheringham or a Berbatov. Nevertheless, he shouldn't be finished at 29 regardless of how young he started.
I think part of his problem is that he lacks the intelligence/discipline to get the best out of himself. Lots of players have adapted as they have got older and changed their game, but not Rooney. He still tears around like a mad man and he still gets involved in wrestling matches with CB's 5 years younger and twice his size
Unless the penny drops quickly this will be his last full season as a regular at Utd. It's a shame because out of everybody in the team I still believe that he is one of our most talented and if a chance had to full to somebody in the last minute of a game with the score at 0-0 I would choose him
I think part of his problem is that he lacks the intelligence/discipline to get the best out of himself. Lots of players have adapted as they have got older and changed their game, but not Rooney. He still tears around like a mad man and he still gets involved in wrestling matches with CB's 5 years younger and twice his size
Unless the penny drops quickly this will be his last full season as a regular at Utd. It's a shame because out of everybody in the team I still believe that he is one of our most talented and if a chance had to full to somebody in the last minute of a game with the score at 0-0 I would choose him
There'll come a time when he scores a contender for goal of the season or puts in a couple of man of the match performances in a row to make some of us eat our words. But that's part of the problem. His consistency isn't there. How long does LVG and the rest of the team have to wait for it to come?
watching City today, Aguero gets a lot of chances. Some down to his movement of course, but a lot down to having a pacy fast flowing attacking style.
It'd be interesting how Aguero did In our team. Certainly wouldn't score as many. How could you with 1 chance a game!
It'd be interesting how Aguero did In our team. Certainly wouldn't score as many. How could you with 1 chance a game!
He's so deep in comfort zone. We need to buy a very good striker to challenge him.
Can Pedro play as the central striker?
I think his form will pick up and if we keep playing him up front the goals will come. I don't really like him as a man but as a player I still think he's got a lot to offer us over the next couple of seasons
That has always been typical English wishful thinking nonsense. Excellend talent back then, but this exaggeration was ridicoluos.
But with Van Gaal's tactisch, the centre forward or 10 not only has to score or assist, but also has to be available for helping to move the ball around quickly. The problem is not that he's out of form, the problem is that when he is, his first touch is awful. When for example Van Persie is in poor form, his first touch was still decent and quite reliable. He should be allowed to have a few bad touches, but if there are too many and players can't count on him keep possession at all, the whole passing game gets disrupted. Both on 9 and 10. In this case and this phase the club is in, it also disturbs the ongoing development of this passing game.
So I'm afraid he should be subbed until he finds his first touch back, and therefore can't stay captain.
If we had Aguero then Rooney and his 20 goal targets would be forgotten in an instant.