Should've been sold the summer he came back fat from holiday. Remember him waddling around the pitch for a while until he came off hurt. In fairness, I think Ferguson tried to offload him the next summer, but by then we had a new manager.
Poll: Is Wayne Rooney past it and should he be sold?
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It is a real waste of talent. He should really look at Giggs for maintaining a decent lifestyle. More than ever he has to take care of himself no.
How many more years does he have on his contract?
Til 2019 I think. I wish Fergie had gotten rid of him just before he resigned.
We should have sold him when Fergie gave us the chance to, unfortunately Moyes couldn't do it. Fergie always knows..
He knew particularly well on Bebe, Obertan, and Zaha didn't he.
Sold him to who ? How many clubs would be able to pick up 300k/wk in wages ?
4 more years...wow, thats a very stupid contract to give him
he wasn't on that wage till moyes granted him the deal
He was on 250 before and is now on 300. My question to all the resident knee jerkers is, who would we sell him to now who would be able to pick up 300k in weekly wages ?
I wouldn't look into selling him yet but last night was very worrying. You can't even blame lack of service or our playing style because Rooney's fundamentals and his basic demeanor were wall to wall terrible. He gave away the ball nearly every time he had it and Mr. Captain was also losing composure in the later parts of the game. A captain needs to at least keep his wits and play professionally. In the last few minutes he looked like a buffoon TBH and if this keeps up maybe we should look into giving Smalling the armband.
I would give him some time to play into form but Hernandez should be given a chance if this keeps up. I also mentioned in another thread that Janujaz might be good to experiment with as a striker.
I would give him some time to play into form but Hernandez should be given a chance if this keeps up. I also mentioned in another thread that Janujaz might be good to experiment with as a striker.
Undeniably. I've been wary of writing him off in the past, because he's made a habit of proving his detractors wrong, but that performance against Villa just drummed the belief he's past it home.
Recently, I've seen him as a Giroud level striker, but I'm starting to think he's not even that anymore.
Recently, I've seen him as a Giroud level striker, but I'm starting to think he's not even that anymore.
He's been past it for a long time. And people think he's capable of 20+ goals. Lol
Shifting him would obviously be a problem considering the wages he's on. Benching him is the right thing to do right now.
We need a forward that can rival the likes of Costa and Aguero domestically. Also rival Suarez, Lewandowki and Benzema on the continent.
As things stand, we don't have a forward to hold a candle to the names mentioned above and that needs to be rectified.
We need a forward that can rival the likes of Costa and Aguero domestically. Also rival Suarez, Lewandowki and Benzema on the continent.
As things stand, we don't have a forward to hold a candle to the names mentioned above and that needs to be rectified.
Is he finished as a top top striker, yes..but he has been for years now...But we couldnt sell him in 2013 though..there was just too much change going around at the time..but we shouldnt have given him that ridiculous contract..we are paying heavily for the two long term contracts Moyes gave out..I dont really think we can sell him now..but we should be gently nudging him out of the door..He'll probably kick up a fuss when it happens as he and stretford have enough lackeys in the media..but It'll be one last massive change in this transition period...
Where's the Eboue option? It's a trademark Caf tradition to have that option in every poll!
The majority of young players don't work out at this level, so this is a disingenuous comparison.
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True, some mistakes in his almost 3 decade long career, what does he know?
Didn't he sign the 5 year deal with Moyes and one of the years was that season? So by my reckoning this is year 3 of that contract, he'll have 2 left come next summer.
We couldn't, we'd have to basically pay him to go and it would be tricky as I doubt any elite club would want him, so it would be a question of whether he was happy enough to be on the bench or if he values playing enough to take a wage and status cut.
I'm not seeing any knee jerking going on, he's not been great for 3 or so seasons now and he looks the same as RvP and Falcao last season, I recall people kept saying people were knee jerking then as well. The fact is some players legs go sooner than others, Rooney might well be in that bracket with RvP, Shevchenko and Torres as he looks physically weathered and it's not a huge surprise given how long he's been playing a near average of 50 games a season, I remember Scholes said a while back that he thought Rooney had peaked early and was past his best as a striker.
We couldn't, we'd have to basically pay him to go and it would be tricky as I doubt any elite club would want him, so it would be a question of whether he was happy enough to be on the bench or if he values playing enough to take a wage and status cut.
I'm not seeing any knee jerking going on, he's not been great for 3 or so seasons now and he looks the same as RvP and Falcao last season, I recall people kept saying people were knee jerking then as well. The fact is some players legs go sooner than others, Rooney might well be in that bracket with RvP, Shevchenko and Torres as he looks physically weathered and it's not a huge surprise given how long he's been playing a near average of 50 games a season, I remember Scholes said a while back that he thought Rooney had peaked early and was past his best as a striker.
True, some mistakes in his almost 3 decade long career, what does he know?
The point is he wasn't infallible. He made mistakes, especially towards the end. He also expressed regret having sold Jaap Stam, which proves even he made mistakes.
Been saying it for seasons, Rooney hasn't been a top level striker for years. Look at RvP when he signed, that's the standard we need.
Absolute delusion if people think he'll score 20 in the league.
Absolute delusion if people think he'll score 20 in the league.
He didn't with Rooney though.
People are talking like he is a waste of space. Two summers back Mourinho would have given everything to have him.
The truth is somewhere in between. He has regressed for sure and doesn't have the same edge like before but to suggest he is past it is extreme. At the moment it looks like he is still getting back into match fitness and will definitely improve over the course of the season.
It is not his fault that he is the sole top player in his position. Some of that anger is also being directed at him it seems.
The truth is somewhere in between. He has regressed for sure and doesn't have the same edge like before but to suggest he is past it is extreme. At the moment it looks like he is still getting back into match fitness and will definitely improve over the course of the season.
It is not his fault that he is the sole top player in his position. Some of that anger is also being directed at him it seems.
That's debatable. Rooney may go on to have a productive year this season. We don't know what will happen in the future and people are a bit too quick to break out their pitchforks each time a player has an off game or two.
It's way too early in the season to jump on the "Rooney's lost it" bandwagon again. He's still adapting to playing the lone striker role, and on top of that, he's hardly had any decent service to work with these first two games (other than the OG vs. Spurs, which he should have one-timed and scored).
Was he terrible yesterday? Yes, but wait at least a month before stating that his career is done for.
Was he terrible yesterday? Yes, but wait at least a month before stating that his career is done for.
I'd say that the last top level season he had was 2011/2012. He performed really well in 2013/2014 too and was probably our best outfield player in Moyes' dreadful season, but yeah, we definitely need to look to improve upon Rooney in the near future, even if he still has plenty to offer us.
I think a lot of people are simply assuming that he'll hit 20 in the league because he's going to be up front as the lone striker a lot of the time as opposed to in midfield, but that's not always how it works. Playing him further up the field doesn't guarantee he'll get more goals, especially when he's struggling to perform.
Has he every reached his potential? no. Is he passed it? No. He is just very laboured in his play. When Rooney can't be arsed for whatever reason, it shows big time on the pitch.
He didn't make any major runs yesterday, didn't even get in a position to have any attempt on goal. Adnan and Depay made use of any space they could get, Rooney just trotted around the place bar the odd run down the channel to hold up the ball. His passing was poor, underhit, and lacked any real accuracy.
He needs a reality check, I'm sure Louis will echo the same. He already fecked out RvP for under performing, a player he had a closer relationship too. If he doesn't pick it up and make the effort required, it could actually be curtains for him end of the season.
Taking 3 or 4 games to get going is one thing, but dragging your heels and not contributing just takes the piss. His attitude and performance annoyed most of us yesterday.
He is in the position where he wants to be, main striker. He needs put the effort in now asap.
He didn't make any major runs yesterday, didn't even get in a position to have any attempt on goal. Adnan and Depay made use of any space they could get, Rooney just trotted around the place bar the odd run down the channel to hold up the ball. His passing was poor, underhit, and lacked any real accuracy.
He needs a reality check, I'm sure Louis will echo the same. He already fecked out RvP for under performing, a player he had a closer relationship too. If he doesn't pick it up and make the effort required, it could actually be curtains for him end of the season.
Taking 3 or 4 games to get going is one thing, but dragging your heels and not contributing just takes the piss. His attitude and performance annoyed most of us yesterday.
He is in the position where he wants to be, main striker. He needs put the effort in now asap.
Well said.
it wasn't the service people are concerned with, he has games where the basic fundamentals of being a footballer desert him. That's been present for a long time.
I don't expect him to score many this season not soley due to himself but also the way our manager chooses to play football. He seems to starve strikers of seeing the ball, but in those 7 or 8 touches you have in a game you better score. Rooney died on his arse last night, but gets a free pass wheras other players on the bench can rightly feel hard done by for it. We will face much sterner tests than Villa
brutally accurate
He was very poor last night, but you cannot expect anything more if he has no competition
You're bringing up the one time he let a player go too soon, compared to every other time he got it spot on. One of his greatest strengths was knowing when to move a player on and freshen things up.
You could make easy arguments that Beckham and RvN were let go too soon as well. Collectively that's 3 world class players let go within a 5 year span, each of which went on to have productive careers elsewhere. I love Fergie just as much as the next person but am equally uncomfortable with this idea that he didn't make mistakes.
No, definitely wouldn't sell him, and I think he should be assessed after a period of time, or a number of games have been played.
What I would say, though, is that he should be sold if he, as an individual, is not up to the task over the course of the season. Someone on those kind of wages cannot be part of a rotation or even 'just another body' in the 1st xi - he's on difference-making money, and he has to start delivering like a difference-maker this season,or there is no place for him here outside of him agreeing to a massive pay cut, which he obviously wouldn't.
LVG will make it very clear that this is a make or break season for Rooney, so I doubt competition for his place should, or will be, the spur - he's been told to deliver and has been given the striking role in good faith that he can do so, that should be all the pressure he needs to either do it, or look like a striker that can.
In the meantime, we, as a team and club, should not be pandering to a player with "special" standing who is no longer playing like it and should be bringing others in absolutely irrespective of what that does or does not mean for Rooney. He's a grown man, with the armband and responsibility, he should know within himself that if he can't deliver, someone else should be brought in who can for the greater good of the club.
Personally, I think Wayne will come good. I also believe this is the season where he'll learn to play a modified game that accommodates his waning attributes and sees others things come to the fore. I also think we'll eventually click as an attacking unit and at that time, Rooney's confidence will grow and he'll look like a different player to the lumbering pretender we've seen out there thus far this season.
What I would say, though, is that he should be sold if he, as an individual, is not up to the task over the course of the season. Someone on those kind of wages cannot be part of a rotation or even 'just another body' in the 1st xi - he's on difference-making money, and he has to start delivering like a difference-maker this season,or there is no place for him here outside of him agreeing to a massive pay cut, which he obviously wouldn't.
LVG will make it very clear that this is a make or break season for Rooney, so I doubt competition for his place should, or will be, the spur - he's been told to deliver and has been given the striking role in good faith that he can do so, that should be all the pressure he needs to either do it, or look like a striker that can.
In the meantime, we, as a team and club, should not be pandering to a player with "special" standing who is no longer playing like it and should be bringing others in absolutely irrespective of what that does or does not mean for Rooney. He's a grown man, with the armband and responsibility, he should know within himself that if he can't deliver, someone else should be brought in who can for the greater good of the club.
Personally, I think Wayne will come good. I also believe this is the season where he'll learn to play a modified game that accommodates his waning attributes and sees others things come to the fore. I also think we'll eventually click as an attacking unit and at that time, Rooney's confidence will grow and he'll look like a different player to the lumbering pretender we've seen out there thus far this season.
Yes and Yes to your opening questions.
If I'm not mistaken, he is still on 250k, the 50k missing are an invention from the press based on an agreement that grants Rooney the opportunity to use United commercial department as his own commercial department.
What Rooney gained from the deal is 250k/weeks until he is 34.
A good servant to the club, and I wonder how much of a role United played in his relative decline through the tactical roles they forced Rooney into, like playing left wing to allow Ronaldo to shine, or being slowly converted into a midfielder only to be started as a striker again.