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It's so baffling.No one is a better alternative right now and i don't know why people are debating especially with no clear other candidate.
It's so baffling.No one is a better alternative right now and i don't know why people are debating especially with no clear other candidate.
Cheers mate.Excellently put.
You make some very good points there, especially the point about his football not being boring. I've never found his football boring, and some of his previous sides have scored goals for fun. I'm sure his previous Chelsea side scored over 90 league goals one year? When he parks the bus, it's because it's needed at that particular time. We won the Champions league in 2008 on the back of similar tactics in previous rounds, nothing wrong with it at all.He's one of the best managers in the world, up there with Guardiola who is likely going to Manchester City. Your club is languishing in mid table, everything points to him wanting the job (just like he did when Ferguson retired) but we're here arguing about how long he'll stay, and shit football. It's a myth that his football is shit. He plays counter attacking style & packs the bus against better opposition, his football is not as expansive as Guardiola's, but it's far far better than the bilge we've had to put up with for the last 2-3 years. He's a big time A lister manager, and above all, he's a serial winner. Why are we having this debate? Who are the alternatives?
Excellent post.What this club and a lot of our fans need to recognise is that we are a hated club, hated for our success and occasionally our conduct.
Mourinho = success with occasionally poor conduct.
Having a successful, but hated manager won't make much of a difference to anyone's opinion of our club.
Yes we have gentlemen like Bobby Charlton as icons of our club, but we also had in the same era the womanising alcoholic genius Georgie Best.
Our club isn't about saints, it's about style and success.
Roy Keane, Eric Cantona, all nasty bastards but geniuses all the same. Mourinho fits that mould. We need to take him now while he's available and wants it - we might not get a third chance.
If he stays two, three years so what? In the Premier League right now that would make him the 3rd longest serving in the premier league, and in the top 20 in the country.
We need to fecking get over ourselves and take the gamble.
I wouldn't be Mourinho's biggest fan but well said.It is with a (overly dramatic) heavy heart that I have decided to change my vote from 'no' to 'yes'. Whilst I agree with, and have long-subscribed to the long list of reasons against having Jose as manager, my position has changed for the following reasons:
- I do think that LVG's time is up - I really wanted him to succeed and retire on a high (that's not a dig at him being Dutch btw), but things are not getting any better, there don't appear to be any new ideas, and the plan he has had (which made him a great improvement on Moyes, who seemed to not know what he was doing, or where he was going - including when he was finally booted-out the door) isn't working and doesn't appear to show signs of progress. For a man of his age as well, this whole situation is verging on becoming very unpleasant indeed, and another season won't do anyone any good.
- Having accepted the above point, the next manager should be as close to the top draw as possible given the mess we've had since Sir Alex retired. We haven't got unlimited time to get things right, so our next move should be the strongest possible move we can make, which means going for the best manager we can. Pep has gone to City (we all know it), Ancelotti has gone to Bayern, Klopp and Pochettino aren't available, and Simeone is unlikely to leave Atletico - so your winner by default: Mourinho.
- But mostly, I don't want Giggs as manager. If the club really is as it seems set on making Giggs' first full time management job be the Manchester United job, then I'm not on board with that decision. I don't see any logic there, but see many, many negatives and risks associated with that move. This isn't an anti-Giggs feeling as he is probably my favourite ever player, I'd feel the same if it was G. Nev, Butt, Ole or even Keane in the frame (all of whom have more managerial experience than Giggs), but the standard to be United manager has to be very high in my view. I don't want us appointing an inexperienced manager, regardless of who he is. Mourinho is increasingly feeling like the only possible option to prevent the club going down the Giggs route, so in that case then again I'd support appointing Mourinho by default.
I'm caught a bit between whether the next manager should be appointed in the summer so they can have a clean slate to start from, or if we should act to try to make a strong go at the increasingly unlikely top 4 finish this season. But either way, I've now come across to the Mourinho camp, and as a result I hate myself even more than I did before
So, as I said at the start, very overly dramatic![]()
Gotta agree with you.He's one of the best managers in the world, up there with Guardiola who is likely going to Manchester City. Your club is languishing in mid table, everything points to him wanting the job (just like he did when Ferguson retired) but we're here arguing about how long he'll stay, and shit football. It's a myth that his football is shit. He plays counter attacking style & packs the bus against better opposition, his football is not as expansive as Guardiola's, but it's far far better than the bilge we've had to put up with for the last 2-3 years. He's a big time A lister manager, and above all, he's a serial winner. Why are we having this debate? Who are the alternatives?
No one. It's Pep if we can get him, or a few select others who'll be damn near impossible to get this quickly. Mourinho is the perfect option, and yet we're not going for it. We're worried about his attitudes and his actions to in the dressing room/to players/ to other managers. But realistically we can't be picky. Time is running out and there aren't many options left.He's one of the best managers in the world, up there with Guardiola who is likely going to Manchester City. Your club is languishing in mid table, everything points to him wanting the job (just like he did when Ferguson retired) but we're here arguing about how long he'll stay, and shit football. It's a myth that his football is shit. He plays counter attacking style & packs the bus against better opposition, his football is not as expansive as Guardiola's, but it's far far better than the bilge we've had to put up with for the last 2-3 years. He's a big time A lister manager, and above all, he's a serial winner. Why are we having this debate? Who are the alternatives?
There probably is. I've been hearing that story over and over. Vangle offered his resignation, and Woody said no twice to save face as it would look bad on him. Terrible long term planning, and no idea how to run a football club.No idea if there is any truth in this but if there is then Woodward needs a kick out the door. http://www.espn.co.uk/soccer/blog/m...light-zone-while-barcelona-win-as-madrid-slip what is true these days? it seems every newspaper posts anything that they believe will receive a click or 2. It could be that there is no truth in the story but who the fcuk knows.
Agree with all of that. Don't like it but this is where we are.It is with a (overly dramatic) heavy heart that I have decided to change my vote from 'no' to 'yes'. Whilst I agree with, and have long-subscribed to the long list of reasons against having Jose as manager, my position has changed for the following reasons:
- I do think that LVG's time is up - I really wanted him to succeed and retire on a high (that's not a dig at him being Dutch btw), but things are not getting any better, there don't appear to be any new ideas, and the plan he has had (which made him a great improvement on Moyes, who seemed to not know what he was doing, or where he was going - including when he was finally booted-out the door) isn't working and doesn't appear to show signs of progress. For a man of his age as well, this whole situation is verging on becoming very unpleasant indeed, and another season won't do anyone any good.
- Having accepted the above point, the next manager should be as close to the top draw as possible given the mess we've had since Sir Alex retired. We haven't got unlimited time to get things right, so our next move should be the strongest possible move we can make, which means going for the best manager we can. Pep has gone to City (we all know it), Ancelotti has gone to Bayern, Klopp and Pochettino aren't available, and Simeone is unlikely to leave Atletico - so your winner by default: Mourinho.
- But mostly, I don't want Giggs as manager. If the club really is as it seems set on making Giggs' first full time management job be the Manchester United job, then I'm not on board with that decision. I don't see any logic there, but see many, many negatives and risks associated with that move. This isn't an anti-Giggs feeling as he is probably my favourite ever player, I'd feel the same if it was G. Nev, Butt, Ole or even Keane in the frame (all of whom have more managerial experience than Giggs), but the standard to be United manager has to be very high in my view. I don't want us appointing an inexperienced manager, regardless of who he is. Mourinho is increasingly feeling like the only possible option to prevent the club going down the Giggs route, so in that case then again I'd support appointing Mourinho by default.
I'm caught a bit between whether the next manager should be appointed in the summer so they can have a clean slate to start from, or if we should act to try to make a strong go at the increasingly unlikely top 4 finish this season. But either way, I've now come across to the Mourinho camp, and as a result I hate myself even more than I did before
So, as I said at the start, very overly dramatic![]()
LVG is not going to become a youth director he is retiring. So he is not a long term option for United anyways. I would give him a long hefty handshake and tell him to fcuk off. And take Jose in right away .There probably is. I've been hearing that story over and over. Vangle offered his resignation, and Woody said no twice to save face as it would look bad on him. Terrible long term planning, and no idea how to run a football club.
Maybe we get rid of him, make LVG the youth director and bring back Gill.
You are just contradicting yourself. Do things better or worse when he leaves?Yeah everything improves when he leaves, funny that.
Get him in on a 3 year contract like Van Gaal was and it should time it just right for Ancelotti.LVG was a proven winner too.
I have some doubts about Mourinho. His behaviour this season has been absolutely awful so it is hard to believe he has matured. The evidence does suggest that after 2 or 3 seasons at a club he implodes.
3rd, 1st then a total disaster this season at Chelsea is a good record but not that good given 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 6th and 3rd place finishes in the seasons since he left. Similarly at Real Madrid his record was ok but nothing special; admittedly tough competition in La Liga. Put another way, his outstanding successes came earlier in his career (as did LVG's)
Christ I hope he'd have a better honeymoon than Klopp is having.I would take him now just so he has a "Klopp honeymoon period" and secures top 4.
Woodwood would, wouldn't he?JM was once a huge fan of Rooney and made several offers for him. I Wonder what his stance will be on Rooney if he becomes manager in a few days.
It's would be a massive call for him. As LVG has found out, placing ones entire strategy around the modern day Rooney will get you sacked, and Mourinho will have to hit the ground running.
I think we'll see what similar to when he returned to Chelsea: he offered no favours to any players from his first era; all had to immediatly prove their worth or they were out.
If he did want to remove Rooney, would Woodwood back him?
Same question applies for Guardiola and Giggs.
The problem is that you are a Liverpool and Barcelona fan.My point was about the quality of football, not the standard of manager overall.
As you said though, quality of football isn't important to you, so no real point discussing that point I was making any further.
Really?You are just contradicting yourself. Do things better or worse when he leaves?
Its such a simple question.Really?
Excellent, so it is. I'll dumb it right down for you as you're obviously finding it really really hard to work out something so incredibly simple.Its such a simple question.
Are you saying that he's left a bad situation at each club or do you just mean this season?Excellent, so it is. I'll dumb it right down for you as you're obviously finding it really really hard to work out something so incredibly simple.
He makes it bad, then goes, someone else comes in and makes it better.
If you're having any trouble with anything else, let me know, happy to help.
I really doubt we'd have handled Fergie's retirement much better with the PLC. This thing is a whole lot bigger than the Glazers.This club was going at 90 miles an hour until those damn Glazers came in and left it in a situation of having to pay back an enormous amount of debt. Old Trafford had been extended to 69,000 I think? and surrounding property had been bought up with the vision of making the south stand a mirror image of the New north stand. We had the best manager on the planet in SAF. And then the Glazers came. The rest is history.
We probably wouldn't have been so stingy without the Glazers during Fergies later years (due to the massive loan repayments) and he could have left a decent squad. None of the 'value for money' stuffI really doubt we'd have handled Fergie's retirement much better with the PLC. This thing is a whole lot bigger than the Glazers.
I bet he cries himself to sleep seeing how much we've spent after him.We probably wouldn't have been so stingy without the Glazers during Fergies later years (due to the massive loan repayments) and he could have left a decent squad. None of the 'value for money' stuff
Yeah, but if you feck up the appointment of the next manager it might not matter that much.We probably wouldn't have been so stingy without the Glazers during Fergies later years (due to the massive loan repayments) and he could have left a decent squad. None of the 'value for money' stuff
Imagine if he spent the Ronaldo money on Silva and Aguero...City would still be sitting on 0 titles and god knows how many in a row we would have wonI bet he cries himself to sleep seeing how much we've spent after him.
Imagine if he splashed the same cash as we have since![]()
exactly. grrrImagine if he spent the Ronaldo money on Silva and Aguero...City would still be sitting on 0 titles and god knows how many in a row we would have won