Are you saying he bears no personal responsibility for his performances in a United shirt?
Pogba's contract offer
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Really hope the club doesn't offer him anything.
You're free to go. Thank you for your services.
Even if somehow TH manages to get the best out of him - it's still not good enough.
While there are a lot of People that think highly of him, he's a nothing player.
The sooner he's gone, the better.
You're free to go. Thank you for your services.
Even if somehow TH manages to get the best out of him - it's still not good enough.
While there are a lot of People that think highly of him, he's a nothing player.
The sooner he's gone, the better.
While Pogba has his obvious annoyances and attitude problems, to call him “not good enough”, “a nothing player” is absolute bollocks.
It would be different if he had another year left so ETH could see how he is going to play in his system but giving him a long term contract now would be a huge gamble and a mistake.
Other clubs may be offering him lower wages, but with the signing-on fee he'd get as a free agent, he could still come out ahead. We can't make an apples-to-apples comparison without knowing the details.
That said, it's madness that our offer is still on the table.
That said, it's madness that our offer is still on the table.
Yes off course he does same as any footballer he has to take some blame if he performs badly but in his case he has shown he is world class when used properly.
That's not his fault at United
Pogba is without any doubt our most talented player outside of Ronaldo, who is obviously in his end days.
The issue is never talent, but seemingly a mix of complacency, pea sized heart and us not having found a system that maximises him.
Time to go though, without any doubt.
Probably why we told Judge to feck off??
He needs to go, come on. Don't make another mistake to start off our real rebuild.
Always felt Pogba’s PSG bound. It’s the most obvious transfer ever. Perfect luxury signing for them.
Can’t see him replace either of Modric, Casemiro or Kroos. Especially now when Camavinga’s been a bright spark for them this season too.
He’s fecked us twice now and it’s time to go seperate ways.
Can’t see him replace either of Modric, Casemiro or Kroos. Especially now when Camavinga’s been a bright spark for them this season too.
He’s fecked us twice now and it’s time to go seperate ways.
Please just leave Paul. For all of our sakes', just go away.
No, that would only mean ETH is both deluded and utterly stupid despite all the red flags raised by Rangnick.
He's been here 6 years. There is no 'if we do x he'll be good', 'if the manager can get pogba going' left at this point, its a fairy tale. People running the club would have to be painfully stupid not to recognise what pogba will and wont do after 6 years.
ETH is an up and coming manager and this is his first big job.
He is being hyped up on this forum like he is the 2nd coming of Christ, which is not a good thing.
We need to give him a chance, certainly, and see what he can do, but to blindly trust him - no way.
If he starts using the likes of Pogba, McFred, Lingard, Rashford, etc - then like the previous managers, he too, is doomed to fail.
Much depends of who we bring in this summer and who leaves. ETH will, most likely, have most of those players.
Having some kind of talent is one thing. Every player have some sort of talent. Young or old. Pro, semi or amateur. Woman or man.
I don’t agree with you that he is our most talented player either. He is overrated player.
Far from it.
I don’t know how and why France is relevant here. He plays 2 ”good” games in a short tournament and he is big thing?
He didn’t waste his years here. He was part of letting club down with lot of other players. Mourinho saw it early.
And if you’re wrong after a 3rd manager has a go, then we’re left with someone we can’t sell getting a humongous wage.
he wants to go, let him go
Does he want to go though? I get the feeling he really likes being at United and it's just the fact we can't challenge for the top trophies is making him look elsewhere.
He is too good a player to assume that we would better off without.
There's no reason we cannot get the best out of him and challenge City and Liverpool. The fact we haven't done that up to now is I believe more the fault of the club than the player
He’s had a huge contract on the table for a year, of course he wants to go
the player has to assume a big responsibility. Both ole and Jose tried to build teams around him and he hasn’t delivered
the team balance would be better without him in my opinion
I watched almost all matches. He won MVP and was statistically very good (he was our top-rated player according to whoscored, for example). I personally also thought he played well throughout the tournament.
We can agree to disagree.
Yes, I agree. He has been underwhelming of late, and he seems to have regressed the past couple of years.
So you think Pogba and Mkhitaryan should return to us next season because they played well for us 5 years ago?
Bruno and Pogba are similar kind of players and its apparent Bruno’s success has shown how much of a failure Pogba was. He’ll do well in PSG in the easier french league due to the lack of quality teams, he’ll be pressed or dispossessed lesser. Basically, the league suits for his laziness and he will take down players using his physicality.
Finally, Bruno’s contract extension signalled the end of Pogba.
Finally, Bruno’s contract extension signalled the end of Pogba.
I think people have to be honest about superstars in big games. If the team is not playing well and can't support them, any no. 10 is going to struggle. United already have massive issues in building up against easier opposition, imagine how difficult and isolating it would be to be a creative attacking player in those games. It's far easier for the goal scorers, as one moment of weakness for the opposition can lead to an opportunity, but for a creative player who has to receive the ball in a midfield that is shut out by the opposition, it's almost impossible.
2+2 =7?
He has been used in multiple positions at United and been accommodated a lot. He has also never shown he is world class over a season anywhere
Pogba played under Mourinho and Jose hated him. Now Jose may be past his prime but he is still a top manager and if you cannot show your quality under him, chances are you are not world class.
I don't even care enough to criticize Pogba, anymore. Watever he is, good or bad, clearly we are better off without him
Me too
On a serious note, I think he goes. But, in the unlikely event he stays, it will be at the desire of the new manager. We will need to put all of our biases aside and trust the manager no matter what players he decides to get rid, keep or sign. The negative influence of a certain agent is gone plus Pogba like all our other players have not had a good developed system to play in during his time here. If we can admit that both Mourinho and Ole were poor choices that did little credit to whatever talent level some of the players might have, then Pogba should also be given a bit of slack.
Pogba is jack of all trade, master of none in midfield positions. Is he a 8, 10 or 11? There are a handful of players better than him in each positions in all top leagues. 8 - Slow & Defensive liability, 10 - Not a goalscorer, 11 - lacks creativity.
I used to rate him highly in initial years at United. After all these years, he is an average player(never world class) who is good in some aspects, liability in some. What he offers in football field is not worth the negative press and wages. He is not vital part of rebuild. If we go back to restructure the wages for the rebuild after woodwards era, Pogba should be the first one to leave out.
Regarding the thread, contract renewal is never on the cards. Pogba is out of united even before the season started as free transfer & signing on fee beckons.
I used to rate him highly in initial years at United. After all these years, he is an average player(never world class) who is good in some aspects, liability in some. What he offers in football field is not worth the negative press and wages. He is not vital part of rebuild. If we go back to restructure the wages for the rebuild after woodwards era, Pogba should be the first one to leave out.
Regarding the thread, contract renewal is never on the cards. Pogba is out of united even before the season started as free transfer & signing on fee beckons.
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How fecking tone deaf do you have to be to offer this bloke a massive lucrative contract?
I’ll be glad to see the back of him. He always looks like he’s not really putting enough effort in and in my eyes that’s unforgivable. I know his qualities are in other areas but I don’t recall any game where he’s left everything on the pitch.
Let’s be honest, could you see him doing what Ole did against Newcastle all those years ago?
Ole’s qualities are in scoring goals but fans also loved him for the time he sprinted the length of the pitch to scythe down the opponent who was about to score.
Pogba would have jogged. Bye bye Jogba.
Let’s be honest, could you see him doing what Ole did against Newcastle all those years ago?
Ole’s qualities are in scoring goals but fans also loved him for the time he sprinted the length of the pitch to scythe down the opponent who was about to score.
Pogba would have jogged. Bye bye Jogba.
Ten Hag likes players that work hard so i think we are safe everyone.
He will leave for lower pay.
Unlike some, I do not believe he's motivated by money.
Unlike some, I do not believe he's motivated by money.
He also won't be offered the same money he is getting here from anyone else, so it's not really by choice.
I dont believe he's motivated at all
If you have a couple of star players in a dysfunctional team the obvious tactic is just to eliminate their influence from the game. Any team that plays United knows that if you stifle Bruno and Ronaldo 80% of your job is done. This has been our problem on and off for years. Our players rarely know where their teammates will be or where their next pass will be so they have to stop, take a look and take stock of where everyone is and then make a decision. City, Liverpool etc don't have to do that. They know where their teammates will be. They know where there will be an outlet and because 90% of the time they don't even have to think, when they do have to make a decision, chances are good that they have a bit of time and space to make that decision because the opposition hasn't had time to rearrange and close down their options.
Watching us against every team this season its been horrifying to see how poorly we are drilled in our build up. Slow, ponderous, obvious and telegraphed. The opposition get the ball back and they carve through us like we aren't there. The move into space, make little runs and play one-twos. We get the ball back and its slow slow slow again.
Yet you are here instead of working for a top club. I wonder why that is?
Is it because you think Mctoninay, Fred, Matic, Lingard, Mata are all better than Pogba?
Our worst midfielder? Really?
I shouldn’t hurt feelings by calling you an idiot, but I can point out idiotic things that you say.
People actually playing with and most notable against Pogba literally laugh at these ludicrous takes from online fans.
There are reasons why it’s time for Pogba to leave. Saying he is our worst midfielder and down playing his ability won’t wash with me.