Pogba vs De Bruyne: who is the better passer?
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Pogba's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
Never seen this from Pogba. But I think he has the potential to match KDB.
For me KDB is far more consistent.
However pogba is capable of producing a magical pass more often than KDB.
However IMO KDB reads the game in a much better and quicker way than Pogba. KDB is one of the best passers in the world, I believe he is far better than Pogba in this department.
Although Pogba's passing can be class too. Just feel as though sometimes the delay before the pass is too long, and his reading of the game is not at the same level as KDB.
Pogba can perform a majestic 60 yard cross field pass, and then mess up a 5 yard pass seconds later.
I think the way he is so effortless with his passing is wonderful to watch, however I think it makes people overrate his passing ability, Because he makes it look so effortless.
However pogba is capable of producing a magical pass more often than KDB.
However IMO KDB reads the game in a much better and quicker way than Pogba. KDB is one of the best passers in the world, I believe he is far better than Pogba in this department.
Although Pogba's passing can be class too. Just feel as though sometimes the delay before the pass is too long, and his reading of the game is not at the same level as KDB.
Pogba can perform a majestic 60 yard cross field pass, and then mess up a 5 yard pass seconds later.
I think the way he is so effortless with his passing is wonderful to watch, however I think it makes people overrate his passing ability, Because he makes it look so effortless.
An example of how good Pogba can be if played in the RIGHT position.
To those saying KDB is better, can you honestly say he would be better or at where he is if he was played out of position?
Except he
You do realize that De Bruyne didn’t start off in the position he is in now?
To me Pogba is a player who has all the basic assets to be a top rank player but he just doesnt seem to want it enough. He has some impressive performances with Juve, France and United to his credit but just lacks that burning desire to improve at all costs.
He needs to look hard at what he isn't doing for the team and work with the coaches to rectify this.
He needs to care less about his image and haircuts, roll up his sleeves, open his ears and eyes and justify the huge investment United have made in him with a package of fee, wages and the expense of acquiring complimentary players to suit his needs.
He has it in him but whether you'll ever see consistently enough to build a team around him is open to plenty of doubt.
I don't know. I'm mainly objecting to the notion that Pogba is better at passing or that they are tied in that respect. I personally think Pogba is class (obviously) and at Juve I thought he was the second coming of Zidane. But I think with respect to KDB, people are completely overlooking what he did in Budesliga. He was making the same killer passes, and won the player of the year awards over star-studded Bayern players etc.
To be frank, in my eyes this post is mostly based on prejudiced cliches (just like the earlier Balotelli comparison), but let's leave it at that.
KDB. This is a no contest. They are different types of player but purely on passing there is only one winner.
KDB is not only a better passer and crosser of the ball he also works much harder and imo shows better decision making than Pogba but of course he also plays in a team that functions much better than ours right now. That being said I feel Pogba is actually better at shielding the ball and dribbling when he is at his best.
Agreed. I also feel Pogba doesn't quite know what type of player he is yet which is crazy at 24.
this is right, I'm afraid - and the type of 50 yard specials that PP hits are mainly for show too, usually - soppy diagonals that change the point of the attack, they look great, achieve not that much most of the time.
and in general, PP needs to have a word with himself, innit -
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No let's not.
The Balotelli comparison was not originally mine, I thought that Pogba is in danger of becoming a guy like Balotelli who I saw stall his career by concentrating on his social life and failed to listen to those who tried to help him turn his undoubted gifts into footballing elite consistent performances.
I suspect that you think the comprison is based on colour, build and haircut. If that’s your view man up and say so.
No, it was about the claim that Pogba isn't ambitious, or isn't working hard, which in my eyes has absolutely no basis in reality. I think the main prejudice at work is "flamboyant, unreliable show pony" vs. "honest worker". Quite a few people happily put Pogba in the first category on account of his personal tastes and on-field player type, the result being a quite distorted image of him as a person and player.
OK we can agree to disagree on some of those issues but they are debatable and it will be fascinating to find out the outcome.
This much is certain.
This will be a non contest for a long as we have Mou as the coach here. Both in terms of how good they are an also how good they are as passers.
But without the goals or good looks.
Technique-wise Pogba is as good as De Bruyne at giving any kind of passes. De Bruyne's vision however seems more developed to me.
Jesus your full of it.
You didn't play on the counter because United didn't counter they just parked the bus and done feck all for 90 minutes. Even ex united players said so, along with pro's but your opinion is correct and theirs wrong because you go on to try and school me like a 12 year old girl would type. Stop crying about it. Its not the end of the world one game.
How is 4 wins in 20 games one example, your math is as bad as your football knowledge. As for the childs comment with the bolded lol that makes you look about 12 we'll forget you posted that.
Madrid conceded 32, 33 and 42 goals in 3 season under Jose, that is less than 100 goals in 3 league seasons... do the math.
You accuse me of cherry picking and use 2 of 20 games as an example. When I can give you 10 times Pep beat Jose. You gave me nothing bar a game that meant feck all and a team who clung on in a CL semi final nearly 10 years ago.
I gave you the 2 managers with the best records against Pep. Klopp and Wenger who've face him more than once, Klopp teams may be good on the counter but they are not counter attacking teams... they attack from the off and don't play on the counter but counter when the opportunity arises, but they relentlessly attack.
The best manager at counter attacking football in the world, Mr. Jose, has his worst record against... a certain Mr. Guardiola and Klopp.
There is literally nothing to suggest counter attacking football is more effective against Pep, at all. In fact teams and mangers who attack Pep tend to have the best records against him. You're speaking off your opinion rather than facts and actual results which clearly show going toe to toe with Pep teams is what beats him (as long as you have a good team)
Oh look. The Citeh fan is back with more horse shit.
Sure. I'm sure Mourinho went and tell the boys. Alright boys, we are not going to attack Citeh for the full 90 minutes. We are just going to play for a draw and when you have the ball, just boot it up field. Yeah, that must be it.
You gave one example of how Pep destroyed counter attacking team. I gave you multiple. In the research world, a conclusion made from a sample size of one spells moronic. Use your brain and do some thinking. I speak to you based on how i perceive your intelligence, which at the moment is non-existent. Mou, Jupp, Simeone and to a certain extent Klopp have all bested Pep. Do the math.
I accuse you of cherry picking because i gave you three managers and another poster gave you additional one more. You chose to harp on a Messi inspired Barca. Even Tito looked good with Messi. Clung on? Yeah sure, you conveniently forgot Inter played with 10 man that day (iirc).
The last sentence just shows how silly you are. Klopp's team is an attacking unit against weaker teams. They play on the counter against your oil team. Saw the last game? United is the same. Since when did we play on the counter against weaker teams? Use some common sense.
Is it not facts when i gave you a list of manager who have bested Pep?
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Can you two not debate without insults?
Don't want to take part in this shit fest but this is very much wrong. Manager with best record against Pep is Klopp and he plays counter attacking game against Pep sides.
Counter attack means attacking game, there is a difference in counter attacking and parking the bus.
Lampard was an awful passer of the ball. Always used the wrong weight.
4th highest number of assists in premier league history, so not quite "always".
Yup, ok, not always, but stats don't ALWAYS tell the whole story. His passing definitely wasn't great though. Sometimes a pass can be a bad pass and still be an assist but players like Scholes, Xavi, KDB etc make it as easy as possible for the player receiving the ball. Fat Frank rarely did that IMO.
He rarely played deep enough to play the really eye catching passes. Although he was no Scholes (that's a ridiculously high bar to be deemed "awful" if you don't meet it), he was very good.
To call Lampard an "awful passer of the ball" is just a bit silly.
Wow, this turned into a trainwreck.
Starting an argument with an ad hominem insult really doesnt help your point come across better. Just throwing that out there to no one in particular.
On this topic, I think it’s very hard to compare De Bruyne and Pogba. At the moment KDB is obviously doing much better, but that’s large part thanks to the players around him. Football is a team game after all.
That being said, I still think Pogba is slightly overrated as a player. He obviously has the talent, but he needs to develop the consistency. He’s not a youngster anymore, he neesa to step up.
Starting an argument with an ad hominem insult really doesnt help your point come across better. Just throwing that out there to no one in particular.
On this topic, I think it’s very hard to compare De Bruyne and Pogba. At the moment KDB is obviously doing much better, but that’s large part thanks to the players around him. Football is a team game after all.
That being said, I still think Pogba is slightly overrated as a player. He obviously has the talent, but he needs to develop the consistency. He’s not a youngster anymore, he neesa to step up.
I'm not talking about eye-catching balls, in fact more or less the total opposite. Anyway, off topic.
Weird how De Bruyne’s passing gets marked down for being in a great side in this comparison yet I’ve never heard anyone mention how Scholes was in the side that dominated the league for a decade to make his passing look better than it might have been. As somebody mentioned way back, when it comes to passing, this is only a debate because it’s a United forum. De Bruyne can match Pogba for technique but leaves him way behind in consistency and decision making; he’s far better at moving the ball around the pitch.
Before KDB I've never seen someone cross a ball with laser like accuracy consistently and with either foot.
On overall ability though fwiw, I highly doubt Pogba can drag a team like Wolfsburg to 2 trophies with Dost and Bendtner as the attacking outlet and bulldoze his way to become the poty while breaking the all time assist record.
On overall ability though fwiw, I highly doubt Pogba can drag a team like Wolfsburg to 2 trophies with Dost and Bendtner as the attacking outlet and bulldoze his way to become the poty while breaking the all time assist record.
People talk about pogba's natural ability being higher than KDB, are forgetting the most important natural ability in a midfielder, decision making. KDB exceeds Pogba in that department. All the great midfielders present and past had it, it's what made them great.
On current form, De Bruyne is miles above Pogba not only in passing, but also in team work and decision making, unfortunatelly
I believe a good mentor will leads Pogba to KDB level. Unfortunately Mourinho won't be that man.On current form, De Bruyne is miles above Pogba not only in passing, but also in team work and decision making, unfortunatelly
Not that hard when you have a defined attacking structure where players are always at certain position all the time.
Pogba to Mata for the Sanchez penalty.
Again, Pogba's decision making at times isn't the best as he gets carried away trying to prove himself. always happens in big games.
However, let's not make it sound like KDB is Xavi or Scholes in the making. Pep's defined system plays a huge part.
Think you're vastly overrating the ability of a manager and their coach to improve the basics of a matured player. They can make them more effective by utilising them bettet but not vastly improve individual technical ability (maybe mentality). Scholes wasn't the player he was because of Sir Alex or any of our coaches.
There is nothing wrong with Pogba's decision making.
He seems to do pick the right passes against lesser opponents. It usually is against bigger teams where he seems to think that he needs to do something fancy to prove himself and thus misses the right passes.
one plays in a team who attack majority of the game and have constant runners the other plays alot further back and has a lot of static players. if Pogba was at city he would be looking as good as KDB is just now and have no doubt he would have as many assits and goals as KDB. Pogba has been quality most of the season to be fair but this last month hes performances have certainly dropped.