If Pogba’s irreplaceable then we’re in a bigger mess than I thought
Pogba told the club he wants to leave
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If Pogba’s irreplaceable then we’re in a bigger mess than I thought
He's the last player we should be looking to build a team around.
Pogba's got great talent, but he is an asset in a well built team, with someone to help him in the midfield to cover his deficiencies but he doesn't seem to work on his defeciencies . he can be the cherry on top of a cake, but he cNt be the cake himself, not up til now.I don't think he is not replacable. Milinkovic savic can do everything pogba can do while being better off the ball.
He is not the one Man united fans will connect too and regret selling if a big offer comes.
I’d let him go for 120 million. We must first find someone to replace him though before any final sale. The way I see it I want him and mourinho gone with the latter out first. Pogba might stay till the end of the season but after that please get rid. He for one is a clown and undermining the manager no matter how tough things are shows you the true nature of a player.
Not once has martial or mata disrespected the manager although they have ample reason to do so. Any issues within the club should usually stay within the club but pogba has taken it upon himself multiple times to disrespect the club and manager through social media both him and his agent.
He is a very good player but sometimes you just get the feeling he plays for himself. That alone is a terrible attribute for a midfielder. Would be understandable as an attacker stat padding and all but he is a midfielder and he needs to understand that. I’ve been done with his antics for a while now and wouldn’t really miss him if someone can muster up more than 120 million.
Not once has martial or mata disrespected the manager although they have ample reason to do so. Any issues within the club should usually stay within the club but pogba has taken it upon himself multiple times to disrespect the club and manager through social media both him and his agent.
He is a very good player but sometimes you just get the feeling he plays for himself. That alone is a terrible attribute for a midfielder. Would be understandable as an attacker stat padding and all but he is a midfielder and he needs to understand that. I’ve been done with his antics for a while now and wouldn’t really miss him if someone can muster up more than 120 million.
Outrageous talent, terrible mentality. If what's being reported is true he can seriously go fukc himself.
Oh come on. He wants to play in Spain, always has done. We were never getting more than three seasons out of him - this was the plan from the beginning.
He could have went to Spain right after Juve if that is what he wanted.
He probably could have, but would they have paid 90m at the time, a deal in which Raiola got his 40m?
Wasnt the same narrative when Coutinho left Liverpool and what worldclass players do they have now ?
It's all about how you plan ahead !
His agent was offering him to City in Jan. He was the big story in pre season.
The club needs to make a decision... if Jose is the man, back him. Obviously we arent transfer listing Pogba... but make it clear where the club stands and let Pogba take some time out.
The club needs to make a decision... if Jose is the man, back him. Obviously we arent transfer listing Pogba... but make it clear where the club stands and let Pogba take some time out.
Sell him and sack Jose.
Let's just hit the reset button, dump all the whiny prima Donna's (not sure whether Pogba actually is one in this story) and rehire SAF. Restore the universe's equilibrium.
Yep, cut bait and run. Sanchez, pogba, and Mou need to go. Bring in young talent that wants to be here.
Honestly, I'd like to see them both gone. It's just not working out with Mourinho, and I can't see him turning it around. However, Pogba's has been a real let-down since coming back. He and his cretin of an agent have been one continuous distraction over the last year. I absolutely despise the idea of a player thinking he's bigger than the club, and you can't help but feel that Pogba and Raiola sense they have the club over a barrel. I'd much rather have someone like Toni Kroos or Modric at the club than the likes of Pogba. I really feel this club needs a hard reset, and the first step is clearing out both Mourinho and Pogba, followed by the likes of Valencia, Jones, Mata (
) and possibly even Sanchez.
) and possibly even Sanchez.
The shit period startet when SAF left, not Ronaldo.Exactly. There's life after anyone leaving. Se him for 150m and bring players who are interested in being here and are good enough. It's foolish to think Pogbais targeting any long term plan here, definitely not with Raiola as his agent. He will leave sooner or later. Just plan properly for his replacement from now on.
I dont blame him. Jose is boring. Woodward didn't buy anyone when anyone could see we needed a RW and other players.
It's a shit show. We should have Bale on our RW or similar caliber player.
I actually like Fred and Matic but Pogba should have Modric or Kante level of midfielders with him.
It's a shit show. We should have Bale on our RW or similar caliber player.
I actually like Fred and Matic but Pogba should have Modric or Kante level of midfielders with him.
Someone in the pub just told me they have it on reliable sources Ferguson is set to take the reins in a "Give It To Fergie till end of t'season" move... First signing will be Eric Cantona! Daily Mail and Sun newspaper links to follow. Said he read it on twitter account of someone that once drove past Carrington and has been on the Old Trafford tour... fairly reliable I'd say!
Both of them should leave.
In the case of Mourinho, its a case of it not just working out. We seem a bad fit for him in every way. Man Utd is a club with a conservative elitist culture, much like Real Madrid, with a lot of emphasis placed on playing style and bringing through youth. Because of this not being Mourinho's way, despite his efforts, alot of fans and members of the board have simply not taken to the manager, which has made any lull in performance or results appear far more catastrophic than the reality....its not just the media with an agenda, the fans, pundits, and board members have one against the manager too.Mourinho has also had to struggle with poor recruitment before his tenure. The majority of LVG's signings have been seen to be flops for the club. In fact, aside from De Gea, none of the players that were in the first 11 during LVG's reign have been bonafied starters with Mourinho, which is telling. His squad has clearly lacked the quality to compete head on against local and continental rivals, and this has forced him to be even more pragmatic than he usually is, thereby losing even more credit with fans. He has brought in some good players, and has granted utd a sense of winning and success after the shambles of moyes and lvg, but the environment around him and the club is way too toxic to continue. There is clearly a plan in place to change the structure of the club, and Mourinho simply seems to be an obstacle in making this happen as soon as possible.
Pogba also has to leave, him moreso than Mourinho. His social media presence, the leaks, the Raiola blasts and his inconsistencies are the main reasons the club seems so unstable at the moment. No player is bigger than the club, and in the case of Pogba, his performances have not even matched his superstar status. His lack of discipline in midfield has caused us instability in tactics, his constant leaks to the press and rumour generation has caused instability at the club. He is very replaceable and his departure would signify a change in direction at the club. UTD need to go back to being a club that keeps information within its walls, that has hardworking, energetic players that uphold the values of the club and respect it. Pogba is almost like the living representation of the change in character of our players, and the change in power of the club and its management. Getting rid of him allows us to start afresh without the threat of this player power movement occuring under a new manager after Mourinho leaves.
In the case of Mourinho, its a case of it not just working out. We seem a bad fit for him in every way. Man Utd is a club with a conservative elitist culture, much like Real Madrid, with a lot of emphasis placed on playing style and bringing through youth. Because of this not being Mourinho's way, despite his efforts, alot of fans and members of the board have simply not taken to the manager, which has made any lull in performance or results appear far more catastrophic than the reality....its not just the media with an agenda, the fans, pundits, and board members have one against the manager too.Mourinho has also had to struggle with poor recruitment before his tenure. The majority of LVG's signings have been seen to be flops for the club. In fact, aside from De Gea, none of the players that were in the first 11 during LVG's reign have been bonafied starters with Mourinho, which is telling. His squad has clearly lacked the quality to compete head on against local and continental rivals, and this has forced him to be even more pragmatic than he usually is, thereby losing even more credit with fans. He has brought in some good players, and has granted utd a sense of winning and success after the shambles of moyes and lvg, but the environment around him and the club is way too toxic to continue. There is clearly a plan in place to change the structure of the club, and Mourinho simply seems to be an obstacle in making this happen as soon as possible.
Pogba also has to leave, him moreso than Mourinho. His social media presence, the leaks, the Raiola blasts and his inconsistencies are the main reasons the club seems so unstable at the moment. No player is bigger than the club, and in the case of Pogba, his performances have not even matched his superstar status. His lack of discipline in midfield has caused us instability in tactics, his constant leaks to the press and rumour generation has caused instability at the club. He is very replaceable and his departure would signify a change in direction at the club. UTD need to go back to being a club that keeps information within its walls, that has hardworking, energetic players that uphold the values of the club and respect it. Pogba is almost like the living representation of the change in character of our players, and the change in power of the club and its management. Getting rid of him allows us to start afresh without the threat of this player power movement occuring under a new manager after Mourinho leaves.
Don't really want him at Barcelona, Pogba dwells on the ball too much and is an individualist.
I'd rather we invest the 200m on signings to replace an aging Pique, a new striker to give Suarez rest, and sign Rabiot on a free.
I'd rather we invest the 200m on signings to replace an aging Pique, a new striker to give Suarez rest, and sign Rabiot on a free.
Yes, ideally we should be keeping our best players and getting more out of them. Pogba will be hard to replace.
At the same time, I wouldn't be all that fussed if he were to leave. He's in what should be the best phase of his career, doesn't see eye to eye with our manager and were a club that's being completely mismanaged. If I wasn't a United fan, I'd want to move to Madrid/Barca as well given our current directional/management problems.
It would make more disappointed with Mourinho for sure, though. We give him a world record signing and he cocks it up completely.
We sold Ronaldo and signed the likes of Valencia and Owen. Could have done better than that.What?
People are mentioning Savic as the guy we need in place of Pogba. If we do sell Pogba, let's not pretend someone half as good as him will somehow improve us. Our improvement anyway is more about the collective than the individual quality.
Uh I beg to differ. Did Football Manager tell you this?
At this point it's very naive to think that there are no problems and everything is fine but it's just the media.
Ok, I was a year or two off. Still, you get my point surely? Selling players like Ronaldo and Pogba and replacing them with average players isn't going to get you anywhere.What?
Is this how you talk to people? Bit of a shit condescending attitude there.
He only wanted to leave because the video shop closes at 9.
It seems a lot of you believe these stories and Pogba is now a cnut. People like you are the reason they keep writing this clickbait shite.
It seems a lot of you believe these stories and Pogba is now a cnut. People like you are the reason they keep writing this clickbait shite.
When Ronaldo left, we still went on to win trophies. It's not about replacing individual players, it's whether we can still maintain the squad chemistry and remain united no matter what happens.
We fecked up the Ronaldo replacement. We all know that quite well so better now not feck up Pogba replacement.
Sack Mourinho, get Zizou along with Mbappe or Griezmann and another player or two and I bet you it would be day and night. It's not as bad as it looks right now I think, a change of manager can do wonders very fast for a club.
Yes but that was due to Sir Alex. In general it's not a good idea to replace excellent players with inferior ones. I mean I do think our focus should be on the system/fluidity and all that, but we can't let the quality slip. There's no Sir Alex to paper over such cracks.
I agree. I'm just waiting for it to happen to be honest. I just want to be able to look forward to watching us play. The joy and life has been sucked out of something I loved in these last few years.
I think the likes of Mbappe and Griezenann may be far fetched. But Zidane and a few signings he wants, and we'll be in a good place. The squad is talented IMO. Even if we can get Martial and another exciting right winger taking defenders on, we'll at least have some entertaining football.
Bye Felicia.
Apologies if I hurt your feelings sir. Feel free to send some sarcasm my way.
Anyway I'm out. Just tired of the general consensus that players are irreplaceable. Unless you're Messi or Ronaldo, anyone is replaceable.
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Get rid of him, Mourinho and most importantly Sanchez. I said that a few months already it was so obvious.
Pogba reminds me of myself in a previous workplace. I didn't like a couple of my bosses, disagreed with the way the company was run, and spent a year being bitter and bad mouthing them.
At the time, I should have either changed my attitude and got on board, or left with some dignity instead of spreading negativity amongst the team.
I was actually right with my viewpoints, as company results have since shown, but that isn't the point. I wasn't making those decisions and my behaviour was affecting others around me.
I've never really talked about this on here, and I do feel an element of shame, but at the time I wasn't mature enough to recognise what I was doing. I was just being headstrong, difficult and a bit of a twat.
Pogba is also immature. He clearly doesn't agree with the way the team is run but is unwilling to let it drop. If the board side with the player rather than the manager, there will be huge long term problems ahead at the club. It's not a good precedent to set.
Pogba is a super talented player and very lucky that he's working for a company (club) that he apparently loves, millions of customers (fans) adore him and he is being paid a ridiculous wage.
If he's weighed everything up though and is still unwilling to respect and trust his manager, and has decided that he'd rather leave, I have to say I think it's best that he goes. At the end of the day he is a player, not a manager, not a CEO.
If he wants to stay and conduct himself properly, I'd fully support that too.
At the time, I should have either changed my attitude and got on board, or left with some dignity instead of spreading negativity amongst the team.
I was actually right with my viewpoints, as company results have since shown, but that isn't the point. I wasn't making those decisions and my behaviour was affecting others around me.
I've never really talked about this on here, and I do feel an element of shame, but at the time I wasn't mature enough to recognise what I was doing. I was just being headstrong, difficult and a bit of a twat.
Pogba is also immature. He clearly doesn't agree with the way the team is run but is unwilling to let it drop. If the board side with the player rather than the manager, there will be huge long term problems ahead at the club. It's not a good precedent to set.
Pogba is a super talented player and very lucky that he's working for a company (club) that he apparently loves, millions of customers (fans) adore him and he is being paid a ridiculous wage.
If he's weighed everything up though and is still unwilling to respect and trust his manager, and has decided that he'd rather leave, I have to say I think it's best that he goes. At the end of the day he is a player, not a manager, not a CEO.
If he wants to stay and conduct himself properly, I'd fully support that too.
Sir Alex waking up to witness this cnut wanting to leave again. Get this fecker out of the club.
Well that sounds peachy perfect but I hate to say this is not football manager, this is reality. We can't splash out 200m on someone like mbappe this club will never work that way, we are not psg. Also Griezman is someone I personally have wanted here since ages and we had a chance getting him this summer since his buy out clause was halfed this summer to 80m, we didn't so thats unfortunately never going to happen. I don't even care about players the only thing we need right now is a new manager with fresh ideas. If we keep Mourinho we are only going to drag out this whole toxic escapade. If I'm not wrong he is on a 15m a year contract so sacking him right now would cost fortunes. Bravo Eddie, you gave a washed up manager a crazy contract.
Pogba is an overrated player despite his talents. Comparing him to Ronaldo just isn't fair.
Milinkovic Savic?