Go visit my posts when Pogba signed. I said he wasn't worth it then and he isn't now. He's vastly overrated on the caf. He's just not that good and I've thought it for 2 years. Nothing to do with Jose whatsoever.
Pogba told the club he wants to leave
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Go visit my posts when Pogba signed. I said he wasn't worth it then and he isn't now. He's vastly overrated on the caf. He's just not that good and I've thought it for 2 years. Nothing to do with Jose whatsoever.
Coutinho was still putting in performances that were worthy of a hefty price tag. Pogba is not. Barca also needed to buy someone after Naymar - they were desperate to spend the money.
If he goes, ultimately I couldn’t care less what money it is for, I would just be very disappointed as he is a failure at the moment. He could turn it round, but if he doesn’t and he goes in the summer (it won’t be January), I think we would bite anyone’s hand off if they agreed to pay £100m.
Cool. Then as long as you are not on the transfer panels for Barca or Juve, we'll be fine.
You may not rate Pogba at all, but Coutinho is twice the player? Really?
Bud, Pogba has been very good so far this season. In the off-season he won a World cup for his country playing a significant role for the team. I would say he is close to his peak value right now.
I care that we get a good sum for him, if indeed he wants to leave. The replacements we need won't come for cheap in what is an insane transfer market these days.
Problem with Pogba is his single digit IQ.
Posting a video laughing while you were losing to Derby? A club captain? How can anyone supporting United still defend this guy?
Posting a video laughing while you were losing to Derby? A club captain? How can anyone supporting United still defend this guy?
Barcelona would tire of him quickly. They demand tactical discipline in their players and 9 games out of 10 he doesn't have it.
Even Deschamps alluded to it in the Summer.
Even Deschamps alluded to it in the Summer.
This is better than Corrie.
Just need an insane plot-twist.
Just need an insane plot-twist.
Football is business. Especially in our case. We are more active in searching for new sponsors than searching for new players. Pogba can sulk, cause problems, cry or whatever he wants but he has 3 more years of contract plus option for another year. We invested so far in him aprox. 120-130 mil with wages and all fees. He is only 25, he is world class player and one of the best football brands in terms of marketing. So we can argue how 200 mil pounds is ridiculous fee( and it is) but Ed would be crazy accepting anything less than that. And Ed knows his business in terms of making money.
Of course that it is a fee which no club can't afford just like that so my opinion is that any deal will include players for exchange. And we must be smart in that.
Of course that it is a fee which no club can't afford just like that so my opinion is that any deal will include players for exchange. And we must be smart in that.
Perhaps he did it on purpose - to piss off Jose and the board and make a move to Spain a bit easier?
Who said we were losing?
Apparently he left before the penalties - what the feck is that all about?
Makes sense then because on tv they showed him leaving around 89mins. My love for both keeps swaying back and forth.
I'm gonna just say both Jose and Pogba are cnuts. Quicker we get rid of 1 ideally being Jose first the better because atleast with Paul we have potential for him to improve under another manager.
His record bar chelsea mk2 and us are pretty impeccable.
If the next modern attacking manager we hire finds the same cracks all over the squad questions will be shifted to maybe the problem is united.
So you are saying his record at Madrid is impeccable.
We have changed all the players too and still have same problems. It's better to take risk than stuck with coach whose methods are not working. Also there is no point of Jose if he can't win trophies. His football is dull and only reason fans can watch that is to win trophies. Without trophies, I don't know how people can justify Jose's methods or football.
Perhaps the problem is you don't know what the feck you are talking about.
Juve might well take him back but they'd be fools to. Barcelona I think they missed a bullet and they know it. He was the flavour of the month following the World Cup but I think Jaime is right. He doesn't fit Barcelona at all.
And yeah Coutinho is way better in most ways. Better at linking play, touches, keeping it simple, professionalism, handles things behind closed doors if there are issues and is FAR more consistent than Pogba.
Speak the truth brother.
tell us how you really feel?
Guys like you will be so happy when he's sold, but don't you go moaning when we've got a midfield of Mctominay and Matic stinking up the place.
Pogba might be a Diva but so is Messi, so is Ronaldo... etc you have to learn to deal with those ego's and Jose cannot. he HAS to be the big cheese and if somebody dare upstage him he shoots them down.
tell us how you really feel?
Guys like you will be so happy when he's sold, but don't you go moaning when we've got a midfield of Mctominay and Matic stinking up the place.
Pogba might be a Diva but so is Messi, so is Ronaldo... etc you have to learn to deal with those ego's and Jose cannot. he HAS to be the big cheese and if somebody dare upstage him he shoots them down.
When he has half the talent of Ronaldo/Messi and a quarter of their determination, we will.
He joined us shortly before he was 23.5. Anyhow, 23, 24, it doesn't matter. A footballer that age is still an evolving player, or should be. He can certainly adjust to a different type of football. Now, is Pogba just uncoacable or is Mourinho doing a bad job? No way of knowing for sure, but Mourinho's work with other players is a hint.
Pogba did well for Juventus in CL too, so slow Serie A is just one more excuse. He did well in CL, world cup, youth tournaments and everywhere he played. Even last season he contributed to 15-16 goals in mins equivalent to 22 games, that's a very good record for any player, even better for a player who played most mins in midfield 2.
Jorginho and Verratti was Serie A products, Jorginho just broke record for number of passes in PL and Verratti retains possession when pressed. There will be few more examples if we spent some time on it.
Why do you care about his social media activity
?This whole thing makes you see that some posters have issues separating the man and the player
tell us how you really feel?
Guys like you will be so happy when he's sold, but don't you go moaning when we've got a midfield of Mctominay and Matic stinking up the place.
Pogba might be a Diva but so is Messi, so is Ronaldo... etc you have to learn to deal with those ego's and Jose cannot. he HAS to be the big cheese and if somebody dare upstage him he shoots them down.
Don't be so daft as to put Pogba in the same bracket as Messi and Ronaldo.
Let him bugger off (assuming the money is right).
The sooner we can stop dealing with parasites like that fat cretin Raiola the better. I’d honestly prefer dealing with someone like Mendes over him.
The sooner we can stop dealing with parasites like that fat cretin Raiola the better. I’d honestly prefer dealing with someone like Mendes over him.
Can’t wait for Saturday to roll around, we’ll either know more or can stop talking about this.
Although in likelihood there’ll probably be the next story...
Although in likelihood there’ll probably be the next story...
Plot Twist - Pogba is Jose's illegitimate son.
He's about to enter his prime now. He's not going to change much. We will either have to adapt to him or not.
This just about sums up how I feel about, Jose. He is an out and out egotistical arsewipe. Never deals with trouble in house, but has to make it all about himself and lambast a player in public. Look how he treated that poor girl Physio, all she did was her job and was called onto the playing surface by the referee. How do you think Phil Jones and Eric feel now, after him saying that he knew we were in the sh1t penalty wise once we got past the 6th man!! Players will just not give 100% to a bad boss, just think of your own work place and look at how bosses affect performance with some workers.
We're not selling in Jan, but they will test the water to see how much we value him im the market.
Why do you care about his social media activity
This whole thing makes you see that some posters have issues separating the man and the player
I don’t think it’s so much separating the man and player but realising social media can play a part in things.
Maybe the players on the field wouldn’t have cared it seemed pogba was having a laugh and joke and pissing off early while they were losing once they’d seen the video, maybe a few of them also thought he was being childish and a bit of a prat while they’re giving they’re all to try and get through this shit patch we’re in.
I personally think pogbas off field antics including interviews and certain social media vids will have an affect on certain team members morale and possibly effort, it happens in all jobs and walks of life.
I think pogba is no angel here
It would hurt us just as much if we decide to play without our best outfield player.
The stories are going to escalate as we approach the summer transfer window, his agent is going to be an insufferable twat, and Pogba will do absolutely nothing to calm the speculation. The circus is only just getting going.
Real team player then, showing proper respect for club, fans and team mates. Rightly so he was stripped of vice captain. The sooner he goes the better.
Seriously, what happened to no player is bigger than the club. This guy is a clown and the club must back Jose in this (regardless of performances and results) to make a stand.
The guy has been mostly rubbish since he signed with just a few good performances. Not worth what we paid or are paying him at all.
Jose "I am your father"
Yesterdays awkward training interaction between the two makes much more sense now.
Both should go. But if Zidane comes and the results are good, chances are Pogba will stay for good.
Serious question with no sarcasm there. Do you have anything else other than your intuition that Pogba's social media activity is having a sort of negative impact ?
It is crazy the things we can believe when we put our minds to it. Too many "maybes" for my liking (not aimed specifically at you there).
People getting riled for nothing
I was a strong supporter of Jose but I've had about enough and would happy if he left. They both go, Pogba in Jan and Jose in the summer. I don't want the ultra ego of Pogba here anymore, he is toxic. At least if he goes in Jan, we can knuckle down and at least get top 4 (as sorry as it is to say) without this circus and negativity. The football will be poor, but at least we will hopefully get results.
No I don’t have anything else, but then, neither do you to say it’s not having any impact on things.
I think there’s enough different opinions amongst us fans to show it’s no stretch to think the players feel the same. Some for, some against, some indifferent. If he didn’t prat about so much when we’re in a tough patch with the media ready to jump on anything we do there wouldn’t even be the possibility of manager/ players potentialy getting pissed at this.
Again, obviously no evidence for this.
But I think ultimately it’s pretty clear Pogba needs to grow up if what he’s doing is not calculated.