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Pogba suspended for alleged anti-doping offence | Banned for 4 years
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What a waste of talent!
What a waste of talent!
Meh.
Sorry can you justify that? With my posting history? Again if you’re going to say something like that at least back it up.Imagine if Bruno or some other player had been courting all of the same noise and acting like a total and utter fanny, twice at our club for good measure and then left the club after being offered a raise and then failed a doping test and was banned for 4 years? You’d actually probably implode in the orgasim - heart attack you’d have
We’d never ever ever ever hear the end of it anyway that’s for sure. You have made a total ass out of yourself over Pogba and you just can’t accept being called out on it.
This is yet another situation where you’re letting emotions get the better of you and lashing out. I’ve simply set the record straight on your post and you’ve gone on a tirade. Can you back it up?
Absent Raiola, Fergie might well have built a team around him. Pogba's head was turned by money.
Love him or hate him, 4 years is a bit excessive. It's a career ender really, even if you're in your early 20s. Crazy.
Is this a euphemism?
Yeah, I think similar. He add all the ability to grow into the role to be the fulcrum of the team but ultimately he just seemed to want to show off is incredible talent and try to show he could do everything rather than honing it to be the most effective version of himself he could.
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SAF wanted him to stay though
Hmmm, I mean, that doesn’t feel right at all… but I guess you’re technically correct? It’s a fascinating sketchy metric though.
You could definitely say winning multiple league titles, domestic cups in 2 countries, a European trophy and the World Cup is a stellar career, but you could also pick apart all but one of those things as underwhelming for a player of his profile and potential if you wanted to examine it…
I mean, it certainly seems bonkers to line him up against even Utd teammates like Rooney or Mata and say he ‘won pretty much everything’ … but then his trophy haul doesn’t stack up too badly against, say, Ronaldo Lima, and few would argue his career was poor (injuries aside)…. Likewise Zlatan is seen as a serial winner, but most of his titles are also in Italy, and his only European success is the same one as Pogba’s (who actually scored in the final) and obviously did nothing Internationally so whilst I initially scoffed at this (and I still think ‘winning pretty much everything’ sounds wrong) it’s not quite as mad as I thought.
it’s really down to having a poor narrative I guess. You can spread your success out, or have a late redemptive arc. But he spent the majority of his peak in England, where he objectively failed beyond his first season (though I still don’t think he’s remotely one of our worst banter era signings when you take the money out of it) so his career seems worse than it probably was cos of it.
Still, Rashford has 2 more English trophies in only 2 more seasons played without Pogba, so the impression that he failed to lift us beyond what we were considering the profile and potential he had at his peak here still sticks, and I think will always weigh down any attempts to objectify his legacy.
Exactly, and I think he could have been amazing at it, there are not many with that level of talent for that role.
What's the betting he'll be a desperate last minute summer transfer signing in Aug/Sept 2028?
I heard a journalist argue he started it to help with injuries. Obviously that's completely speculation.
Well clearly that hasn't worked either.
I know drugs are bad, but in Pogba's case they have also been unhelpful in any obvious manner.
Hopefully he made enough money in his career. I know he has but he strikes me as the type to not save or invest smart and live very extravagantly.
That's five years he could have banked it in Saudi or MLS. He must be pissed off.
That's five years he could have banked it in Saudi or MLS. He must be pissed off.
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He did an interview where he said that sometimes he didn't even want the money. Something about wanting people to "love me for me". It seemed really sad actually. I feel sorry for him and dont really get the hatred from some here.
Fergie built his teams around players of pure work rate and put team first before himself. Pogba was never going to fit that profile.
I think it is very sad. His stint here for sure made me dislike him as a player, but he obviously has a great player in him. He has enough money to take care of his family ages (not his brother I assume), hopefully he 'gets it' and figures his life out.
Very harsh suspension. His career in Europe is over unless they reduce it to two years after his appeal, as I suspect they will. He'll never play in a big club again in any case.
He is a waste of talent but probably not as much as some people think he is. He could have done better but never had it in him to become a great player. He falls just short in term of ability, huge talent but all that flash made the substance appear better than it really was, and way short in term of awareness and drive.
He had good years at Juve as a young up and coming talent playing alongside accomplished midfielders like Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio. Then followed years of inconsistent performances and recurrent injuries until last year. He won zero meaningful trophies at club level and zero individual awards at club and international level post-2016. Pogba won everything in football, except all the things he didn't win.
He won the World Cup. So did Guivarch, Karembeu, Materrazzi, Gotze, Schurrle, Martinez or Tagliafico. But he wasn't one of France's top performers.
A superstar but never a consistent world-class player. He will likely be remembered for his social media presence, his dance moves, his original haircuts and that positive drug test more than for his performances on the pitch. His legacy is almost entirely marketing related. Pogba is to Football what Ryan Garcia is to Boxing.
He is a waste of talent but probably not as much as some people think he is. He could have done better but never had it in him to become a great player. He falls just short in term of ability, huge talent but all that flash made the substance appear better than it really was, and way short in term of awareness and drive.
He had good years at Juve as a young up and coming talent playing alongside accomplished midfielders like Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio. Then followed years of inconsistent performances and recurrent injuries until last year. He won zero meaningful trophies at club level and zero individual awards at club and international level post-2016. Pogba won everything in football, except all the things he didn't win.
He won the World Cup. So did Guivarch, Karembeu, Materrazzi, Gotze, Schurrle, Martinez or Tagliafico. But he wasn't one of France's top performers.
A superstar but never a consistent world-class player. He will likely be remembered for his social media presence, his dance moves, his original haircuts and that positive drug test more than for his performances on the pitch. His legacy is almost entirely marketing related. Pogba is to Football what Ryan Garcia is to Boxing.
And he was Jose’s signing
I think its well established that Jose wanted Kante but Chelsea were onto him first.And he was Jose’s signing
Having to go for a 2nd / 3rd choice player is normal.
It's also well established that Jose wanted Pogba and tried to sign him before too.
Jose also said he wanted to sign Renato Sanches, not sure where Kante was in his list of preference.
What? Ferdinand got a far harsher 10 month ban in his prime for missing a drug test. He was not a convicted drug cheat like Mutu or Pogba.
Why is called an anti doping offense instead of doping offense?
Because the law is name anti-doping law. Same as Anti-trafficking or Anti-laundering.
His appeal will be successful and they will settle for a 2 year ban for Casemiro.
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He's right up there with the likes of Mario Balotelli and Adriano as the biggest wastes of major potentials ever.
Not even close.
And people should read more about Adriano before they call him waster. Dude was in dark placy and its miracle that he is still alive.
And people should read more about Adriano before they call him waster. Dude was in dark placy and its miracle that he is still alive.
Dude you realize how not smart is it to buy a player that shines as box-to-box left mid in a 3man midfield for a record breaking fee of 110 or something millions and wanting him to be the deeper link in a 2man midfield and then complaining how you didn't get a return of what you paid?
It's like buying Messi for 300m and having him play as a central defender. Complaining how he doesn't score as much as he did before joining United...
He’s always been overrated as a footballer. He believed his own hype and fine everything he could to be a legend in his own lunchbox. Not his fault we paid a ridiculous fee. It was his fault he didn’t work hard enough to back it up. Talented failure. If he’s taking drugs he’s got his deserves.
He was a club signing for the merchandise and advertising profits.And he was Jose’s signing
Mourinho never wanted him.
Well he was moved around the pitch because he had weaknesses in every midfield role, so whatever criticism you say about him playing in a deeper role a criticism can be said about him playing b2b.
I think his biggest problem with the deeper role was his attitude.
I wonder if he’ll make another Pogmentary and blame everyone else
Thank the stars he didn't accept our contract extension. Imagine how far we'd be in the gutter right now with this cheat on our cards along Greenwood? Personally delighted to see Pogba banned.
His career has been meaningfully over for a while anyways, as the guy simply can't stay fit any more. That's just the nail to it.
If he successfully appeals and reduces the ban down to a year, he might still get 2-3 seasons of low-tempo football in Saudi or such like league. So his actual career might really not be over yet, but his time playing at the highest level sure is. Neither France nor any top 5 team from the top 5 leagues will touch him again.
If he successfully appeals and reduces the ban down to a year, he might still get 2-3 seasons of low-tempo football in Saudi or such like league. So his actual career might really not be over yet, but his time playing at the highest level sure is. Neither France nor any top 5 team from the top 5 leagues will touch him again.
dbscalcio legend. Number 1 in his position every season he was at Juventus.
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