Pogba Future

[Focusmate]

I wonder how many games this season he will be injured or “injured” for? Randomly bumping into Zidane for a chat while holidaying in Dubai must have been a nice coincidence.
we are over a barrel if he plays this kind of game as we will have to get rid on the cheap.

 

[el3mel]

I wonder how many games this season he will be injured or “injured” for? Randomly bumping into Zidane for a chat while holidaying in Dubai must have been a nice coincidence.
we are over a barrel if he plays this kind of game as we will have to get rid on the cheap.

He was on crutches in that photo with Zidane. He's not faking injury. I myself don't like him that much and think he's overrated, but let's not get ridiculous here.

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[Sterling Archer]

He was on crutches in that photo with Zidane. He's not faking injury. I myself don't like him that much and think he's overrated, but let's not get ridiculous here.

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What are you talking about? That's not a crutch. That's one of dem giant pens they use to sign oversized cheques. Pogba is clearly signing a pre-contract.

 

[sugar_kane]

In January, it will be very difficult to replace him as few clubs would be willing to sell

Replace him? He's not even playing anyway so what difference would it make if he's contracted to us or another club.

 

[golden_blunder]

IF he does end up leaving in summer, how about getting Casimiro included in the deal? He’d be our Kante/Ndidi allowing any ballers to go play, especially if we added Havertz or Maddison

 

[GoldanoGraham]

It’s ironic really - he’s our most talented player, yet we seem to play better without him......don’t know if it’s that he tries too hard or others around him believe the hype but I’m now coming to the conclusion that cashing in and replacing with a less egotistical player but with quality will enable us to take one step back to take two forward - without the circus and the dramas

obvious the corporate side don’t want to see the back of him for his commercial value but he really isn’t a cog that fits this team and as we’re not gonna see him for another month we have to adjust to life without him earlier.....then as he returns all the RM rumours will start to surface in time for January......

 

[FrankDrebin]

It’s ironic really - he’s our most talented player, yet we seem to play better without him......don’t know if it’s that he tries too hard or others around him believe the hype but I’m now coming to the conclusion that cashing in and replacing with a less egotistical player but with quality will enable us to take one step back to take two forward - without the circus and the dramas

obvious the corporate side don’t want to see the back of him for his commercial value but he really isn’t a cog that fits this team and as we’re not gonna see him for another month we have to adjust to life without him earlier.....then as he returns all the RM rumours will start to surface in time for January......

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[Andersons Dietician]

I think Ole will be quite stubborn on this and will fight till the end for him to stay. Personally I’m coming around to the idea that if he left it probably wouldn’t be the worse thing to happen, We just need good replacements and if we are looking at the likes of Tonoli and Havertz those 2 if they play to their ability would Probably be better for us than 1 Pogba.
It all depends on who we would bring in.

 

[Judas]

Since when did we play better without Pogba? Because we beat Norwich?

 

[Craig Ward]

His time has been up here for a while.

He doesn't want to be here, he never plays to his potential, his work rate is poor and he often looks the shadow of the player he can be.

To be frank, he's a media circus and we would be better off without him. How many seasons are we expected to put up with sub par performances waiting for him to magically come good?

Talented he is, the right fit for us he is not. Some of his decision making and performances belong in league 1 not the premier league.

Madrid will be signing a very over hyped commercially attractive person, not a world class footballer. They are welcome to him in my opinion

 

[Adam-Utd]

I love reading this thread.

Full of Desiah and Pashun

 

[sincher]

We would only be better off without him if we buy 1-2 top class midfielders because he is comfortably our best midfielder at the moment and it is not close.

 

[Bestietom]

He's out and for how long who knows? I can see him going in Jan if the right money comes in for him, I think we could get 2 very good CM in his place. It's a shame really because there's a top player in him, somehow he's just not showing it, maybe better for both parties if he leaves.

He will get better as soon as the transfer window comes near.

 

[Raw]

We would only be better off without him if we buy 1-2 top class midfielders because he is comfortably our best midfielder at the moment and it is not close.

Exactly. If we use the money we get from him wisely and buy a defensive and an attacking midfielder then we'll be a better team for it. Probably still need another midfielder for depth on top of that if Matic goes too. It'll probably cost us close to £200m but the sale of Pogba and Matic will likely cut that down to about £50m, 3 midfielders (AM, CM, DM) plus McTominay, Fred and Garner will do us fine.

Though honestly I doubt we'll be making 3 midfield signings in one window, maybe we'll sign one in January? I just hope the club has a succession plan in place for the eventual departure of Pogba.

 

[Danish Wizard]

Just sell him in the summer, and lets move on. When he really wants to, he is a fantastic player. But far to often he is average for us. Sell him to Real or whoever wants to pay 125 million pounds for him in the summer.
Pogba and Matic out, promote Garner, send Levitt on loan for a season, and then sign Kai Havertz, Denis Zakaria and Kalvin Phillips in stead. And then we are in a far better position than now.

 

[Bestietom]

Sell him to the highest bidder in the summer, PSG, Real, or Juventus. If we can get 130/140 million for him, bring in Havertz and Soumare. Then sell Pereira, Fred, Mata and Matic, and bring in a RW.

 

[poleglass red]

he's a classic example of when he's sold he will be replaced by player(s)who technically aren't as good as him, but will ultimately make the team better.

 

[El Zoido]

Sell him to the highest bidder in the summer, PSG, Real, or Juventus. If we can get 130/140 million for him, bring in Havertz and Soumare. Then sell Pereira, Fred, Mata and Matic, and bring in a RW.

Absolutely zero chance we’ll be this efficient in the market. We’ll sell him and the Glazers will pocket £100m of it, then we’ll bring in one player as a replacement, probably an overpriced English CM. Ultimately we’ll probably be better off keeping him.

 

[Stadjer]

He will get better as soon as the transfer window comes near.

Even if that would be true.. what would be the problem with that? Pogba playing well basically delivered Ole his job.

Just to be sure... when Pogba plays well, you are just going to claim he does it earn a transfer? He literally cant do anything right for the Pogba-out brigade

 

[Adam-Utd]

he's a classic example of when he's sold he will be replaced by player(s)who technically aren't as good as him, but will ultimately make the team better.

Can't think of many examples of selling your best player and replacing them with a worse player, and being better?

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Can't think of many examples of selling your best player and replacing them with a worse player, and being better?

You could argue the sales of Hughes, kanchelski and ince, replacing them with no one apart from a certain group of youth team players and winning the double?

 

[Judas]

You could argue the sales of Hughes, kanchelski and ince, replacing them with no one apart from a certain group of youth team players and winning the double?

Bit of an ancient example that isn't it.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Bit of an ancient example that isn't it.

Cheers pal that was my prime

 

[poleglass red]

Can't think of many examples of selling your best player and replacing them with a worse player, and being better?

Gary Nev just give one the other night. Louis Saha replaced RVN and the team played better overall.

 

[Judas]

Cheers pal that was my prime

 

[Hawks2008]

I love reading this thread.

Full of Desiah and Pashun

Some people deserve a midfield of Fred Pereira and McT

 

[poleglass red]

Can't think of many examples of selling your best player and replacing them with a worse player, and being better?

For what we potentially could get for Pogba, we could get Soumare and Maddison. Neither player as good as Pogba when he's on form, but we'd have a better balance in midfield between attack and defensive cover.

 

[Halal Jalal]

I love reading this thread.

Full of Desiah and Pashun

This

Some people deserve a midfield of Fred Pereira and McT

Or Longstaff - Garner - McT, and the Brexit FC crowd will cheer on as Ole bravely fights against relegation.

 

[eire-red]

How about instead of selling Pogba and replacing him with 2 worse midfielders, we try everything to keep him and sign a top midfielder to dictate the game and play Pogba in that 'loose' position, not exactly a 10 but he has freedom to affect the game with less defensive responsibilities.

Struggling to decipher how selling him and replacing him with one or two of Ndidi, Madisson, Soumare, Havertz etc. makes any sense. Havertz may become world class, but Pogba is in a completely separate league from these guys in terms of ability and how he can impact the game. If we keep playing him in a midfield 2, he will never reach the potential that he has for this club as it's just not his position.

United need to figure out where's best to play him, and we need to buy players to balance out a midfield with Pogba in it. Think of that Juventus midfield he was in. Pirlo, Vidal and Pogba. Pirlo, the dictator and DLP, fills a role that Pogba can't. Vidal, box to box, tackler, but a great passer and all round midfielder. Lastly, Pogba, his game at Juve was defined in moments of brilliance, an unbelievable pass or distance goal.

The problem here is that we expect Pogba to fill all of those roles when he's in the team. It's just not possible and he's always going to fall below our expectations as our midfield has been so shocking around him

 

[Green_Red]

If he wants to leave then let him. You can't force a player to stay. It would be an absolute shame because he is one of our top players but I don't really feel we've had the return on the investment we made by signing him. No doubt commercially he has probably been successful, I'm sure someone will point to shirt sales etc. but that isn't what is the most important aspect of signing a footballer, performances and trophies are ultimately what he'll be judged on, not how much he makes in commercial revenue.

 

[SER19]

I think solskjaer would be happy to sell to highest bidder if he felt pogba wasn't committed. We've seen glimpses of a functional United with mctominay Fred and pereira so I'm sure ole is confident that with a 140m upgrade on 2 of those that he'd improve us while losing pogba

 

[Bestietom]

Even if that would be true.. what would be the problem with that? Pogba playing well basically delivered Ole his job.

Just to be sure... when Pogba plays well, you are just going to claim he does it earn a transfer? He literally cant do anything right for the Pogba-out brigade

We are all entitled to our opinions mate.

 

[StrettyEnder07]

Weird one with Pogba, on his day he is a world beater but more often than not he looks like he does not give a shit and can't be assed. If he stays then great buy 1/2 midfielders and give him a free role, Pogba McTominay and someone like Allan or Partey could work very very well. Pogba would have licence to roam, McTominay looks like he is developing into a very good number 8 and Partey or Allan can sit and dictate games.

Saying that, if Madrid are stupid enough to offer us what 90M plus Bale (if that is true, I would ask for Isco rather than Bale) then I wouldn't lose any sleep at all, go to Madrid, become a scapegoat there and we will happily take Isco of their hands and use the 80M to buy a world class DMC, happy days.

As long as the deal/replacements are correct then personally could not give a toss if he is sold, if he stays then we need to buy the correct midfielder to basically do what Kante does for him for France, take on both work loads and let him crack on.

 

[Adam-Utd]

For what we potentially could get for Pogba, we could get Soumare and Maddison. Neither player as good as Pogba when he's on form, but we'd have a better balance in midfield between attack and defensive cover.

Soumare yes, but is he even fit to lace up Pogba's boots? we will see.

Maddison isn't going to cost less than £100m. Will we get that for Pogba? you'd hope so but with his contract running low it's looking less likely.

Why do we keep worrying about Pogba offering more defensive cover? he does his fair share of the work. Our defence isn't even our issue, it's scoring goals.

We statistically score more goals with Pogba in the team, which is why replacing him with a worse player won't help at all.

Let's be honest here - i'd say 80% of the people in this thread want him gone because he's flirted with Madrid. While i'm not happy about it either, I don't blame him and I don't hold it against him.

 

[Bestietom]

Think it is all down to who will pay the money for him rather than him staying now. He wants out, so we should let him go. Not good to hold on to a player who wants out. I just hope that any monies we receive for him is spent wisely.

 

[momo83]

It’s actually bizarre... some people criticised Kane for staying at Spurs. Citing a lack of ambition and being happy with a pay bump. But people expect the likes of Pogba, soon Martial if has a great season, to want to stay despite us being much further away from winning anything then Spurs.

Don’t give me that “we’re Man Utd we can get back to where we were 6 years ago very quickly” Liverpool thought the same thing in 91, 92, 93, they were still saying the same thing in 96, 97, 98, and into 2001, 2002, even in 2011 the way they spoke was like they still hadn’t grasped that 20 years had passed, in that time Blackburn won and got relegated, Arsenal won playing attractive football, Chelsea and City emerged

 

[Handré1990]

How about instead of selling Pogba and replacing him with 2 worse midfielders, we try everything to keep him and sign a top midfielder to dictate the game and play Pogba in that 'loose' position, not exactly a 10 but he has freedom to affect the game with less defensive responsibilities.

Struggling to decipher how selling him and replacing him with one or two of Ndidi, Madisson, Soumare, Havertz etc. makes any sense. Havertz may become world class, but Pogba is in a completely separate league from these guys in terms of ability and how he can impact the game. If we keep playing him in a midfield 2, he will never reach the potential that he has for this club as it's just not his position.

United need to figure out where's best to play him, and we need to buy players to balance out a midfield with Pogba in it. Think of that Juventus midfield he was in. Pirlo, Vidal and Pogba. Pirlo, the dictator and DLP, fills a role that Pogba can't. Vidal, box to box, tackler, but a great passer and all round midfielder. Lastly, Pogba, his game at Juve was defined in moments of brilliance, an unbelievable pass or distance goal.

The problem here is that we expect Pogba to fill all of those roles when he's in the team. It's just not possible and he's always going to fall below our expectations as our midfield has been so shocking around him

This is something I agree with. Why not try to build a functioning and balanced team, where Pogba, Martial and Rashford are the spice on top. Not to build around Pogba, but to get the best out of our best players.

For all of you who want him shipped out, do you expect United to do Pogba and RM a favour and just sell him at whatever price? There are three parties involved in this potential transfer. Pogba hasn’t been good enough consistently, but who has on our team? It’s still a team game. It’s also kind of a catch 22 situation for him, he can’t deliver consistently, either of his own accord, but also because we, as a team, have failed again and again. With this in mind, who other than RM would be in for him? Looking at the Lukaku situation, we’re not going to let him go on the cheap, and it didn’t really seem like RM were willing to pay up. A weird situation for sure, what’s even stranger imo, is people actively wishing him sold.

 

[izzydiggler]

This is something I agree with. Why not try to build a functioning and balanced team, where Pogba, Martial and Rashford are the spice on top. Not to build around Pogba, but to get the best out of our best players.

For all of you who want him shipped out, do you expect United to do Pogba and RM a favour and just sell him at whatever price? There are three parties involved in this potential transfer. Pogba hasn’t been good enough consistently, but who has on our team? It’s still a team game. It’s also kind of a catch 22 situation for him, he can’t deliver consistently, either of his own accord, but also because we, as a team, have failed again and again. With this in mind, who other than RM would be in for him? Looking at the Lukaku situation, we’re not going to let him go on the cheap, and it didn’t really seem like RM were willing to pay up. A weird situation for sure, what’s even stranger imo, is people actively wishing him sold.

It’s as if people haven’t watched the past 3+ years. Taking the reasons why out of the debate, there’s no question that any plan there was has not worked and he’s underperformed, particularly against his hype and price tag. Yes, he’s far from the only one and is very talented. Maybe under the right conditions he would be (I have my doubts) but it’s pretty obvious that won’t happen here.

We should just draw a line under it...no chance we turn into a contender over the next few years and it’s just best for all parties that he moves on and it gives us a chance to reinvest and him a chance to prove himself in a team ready to challenge now...whether we’ll do that is another thing but I see little change in making him stay.

 

[poleglass red]

He either needs to commit himself fully to the club or we need to cash in. Right now and for most of his time here he hasn't been fully invested, so we get equal measures of brilliance and frustration. His consistency is an issue, but players as talented as him that's par for the course.Problem for him is he's playing for a utd team that has been poor. This isn't Juve or France where if he goes missing he's got top class players who will inevitably pick up the slack. This is also a league were right now top 4 is a dog fight. At Juve he was winning the league before it started, 2 of his seasons there they won by 17 pts.We know he wants to go to Real, we know Zidane wants him. Either Real pay what we want or we move on and he commits to us. There is no doubt the club will strengthen in the next few transfer windows. I'd love to see Pogba with quality players around him in our mid, esp ones who will assist him in creating chances . Its a stick or twist moment for him, problem is the decision is not in his hands. It's in whether Real will pay for him, they didn't in the summer.

 

[romufc]

Anyone else think we've seen the last of Pogba? Feels like it's been ages.

Agreed, but the injury might be a good thing because it is pretty clear he wants out and this will give Ole an understanding of how he wants to / needs to play post Pogba.

It might be a blessing in disguise making replacing him easier than if he was tearing it up on a weekly basis.

I don't think Pogba will ever show his true capabilites at Manutd.