Pogba Future

Would you accept Dybala and Sandro for Pogba?

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Doesn't matter to me whether he's off the boil or not arsed (probably a combination), nor does it matter that he isn't surrounded by the best midfielders in the business (he obviously isn't - the contrast to Pirlo-Vidal, or even his current France teammates, is stark). I don't support individual players, have zero interest in defending them for the sake of it, so the fact that none of the above is Pogba's fault means little to me. What I see is this: a) his bottom level is too low, and he plays close to it too often, b) he is generally not capable of transcending his surroundings (i.e. step up and shine when his teammates are struggling) and c) he has done very little in a United shirt to indicate that he's likely to do well in a more set, rigid CM role (which would make it less necessary to upgrade the midfield as such).

Would you build a team around a player like that? I hope Ole knows what he's doing.

If we could realistically upgrade our current options to the tune of Pirlo-Vidal (throw in Marchisio for good measure) - then yes, of course: Pogba makes perfect sense in a free AM role, surrounded by that calibre of players, no argument from me *. In fact, I've said many times that I love that sort of player. Key term is "realistic", though.

* I suppose one could claim that such a setup wouldn't really be built around Pogba, though, like Juve's wasn't.
 
He's been one of the worst players in recent memory for thinking he's bigger than the club. feck him off I say
 
Holocene said:
Who are these players then?

People talk about him winning the World Cup because its the greatest achievement in world football. He was a key player in their win. Of course, it's relevant when we talk about his ability.
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He wasn't a key player.
 
The problem I have with Pogba is that, whilst I don't expect him to be a match winner every game, he just has so many really bad games. He'll always be the type of player that is 'patchy', but he's not just having quiet games, but bad ones. If he wants to be the player you build the team around he just can't do that. This is doubly true when other key players are missing/injured like last night.

Can you you think of another 'top' player who has so many objectively bad games?
 
Good player no doubt.
Will probably finish his career as a good player that would have been great if he had applied himself,had the right mentality and attitude.

Sir Alex's successes was not only because of his technical/tactical ability as a manager,but his ability to get rid of players that have attitude issues and half-arsed.Sir Alex would not have re-signed him.

If I were Ed/Ole I would collect the 155m allegedly offered by Madrid,buy Eriksen for 80-100m,Tanguy/Neves/Barella for 55-75m get Rabiot for free.This will not impact on the money for our summer budget.We will still have the transfer budget money to spend on a CB,RW,RB.Whereas keeping Pogba means that we keep a luxury/half-arsed/unhappy/tactically limited player and would potentially have to invest on a RW,DM,RB and CB.The first option makes more economic and football sense than the second option.

Secondly,a midfield of Tanguy/Neves/Barella,Rabiot and Eriksen is better than a midfield of Pogba,Ander and Matic .Look at Liverpool midfield,hardly a star name,but an efficient,and effective unit working their socks off for the team and each other .

Let us go back to the basics that brought us success in the past.
 
It would be ok if he could just be subbed out without causing a fuss, and replaced with similar quality, and if other creativity was in the side, and didn't need the side highly moulded to suit his weaknesses. He reminds me of Veron, a player who was sublime, but a misfit. Rather than try to fit him in, better to just swap him for someone more adaptable, tactically disciplined and more stable.
 
He is such a on or off player.
We don´t have a team where we can compensate him on his off day.
Sadly these off days are far to many for a top talent and he could be replaced, so if we could get top dollar for him we should.
 
slyadams said:
The problem I have with Pogba is that, whilst I don't expect him to be a match winner every game, he just has so many really bad games. He'll always be the type of player that is 'patchy', but he's not just having quiet games, but bad ones. If he wants to be the player you build the team around he just can't do that. This is doubly true when other key players are missing/injured like last night.

Can you you think of another 'top' player who has so many objectively bad games?
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With these many bad games when are people going to stop calling him a ‘top’ player? He isn’t.
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
Well what I meant was that Pogba wasn't the only special player acroos their first team. Giroud, griezzman, varane etc etc - I'm too busy to do the obvious.

Just off the top of my head players like ndombele, doucore could do what Pogba did for France - Ie settled down midfielder - maybe not for us where he is the flair clown midfielder
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I simply don't see the relevance of this "he won the world cup". Jeez Johnny evans won number of PL titles - does that make him an all-time-great CB?
 
Melville Red said:
With these many bad games when are people going to stop calling him a ‘top’ player? He isn’t.
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he's so far from world-class. In the first 10 minutes yesteday, I counted six occasions when he gave the ball away and two when he lost possession - and that's while we were playing well
 
It's one of the things (maybe minor-ish) than worries me about Ole getting the job. Is he tough enough to say: "you ain't good enough... bye!"
 
So many excuses for him. He’s tired, he’s engineering a move away, he’s fallen out with the coach.. bla bla bla and on and on we go.. the simplest explanation is usually the right one - he’s just bloody inconsistent and unreliable for the whole season.

Get 160/170 million and get rid.
 
If Pogba is to stay then he needs a midfield partner who will do all the dirty work. France basically plays a 4-4-2 with Giroud and Griezman up front (they say it's a 4-2-3-1 with Griezman in the #10). The reason this works is because of one man, and in my opinion, he should be our #1 priority this summer if Pogba is to stay. And that man is N'Golo Kante. And if Sarri is still in charge at Chelsea, I think he could be a realistic option to get...
 
SadlerMUFC said:
If Pogba is to stay then he needs a midfield partner who will do all the dirty work. France basically plays a 4-4-2 with Giroud and Griezman up front (they say it's a 4-2-3-1 with Griezman in the #10). The reason this works is because of one man, and in my opinion, he should be our #1 priority this summer if Pogba is to stay. And that man is N'Golo Kante. And if Sarri is still in charge at Chelsea, I think he could be a realistic option to get...
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If he was truly top quality, we wouldn't need to buy a player to get more out of him. He's just not as good as he thinks he is, cash in on him and be done with it. Let another team deal with the circus he creates.
 
He has all the skills and potential but doesn't seem to have the right mentality unfortunately to be a top player. Comes across like he cant be arsed at times and doesn't want to get involved in the hard work defending. Its a shame as I really wanted him to be a success here but time to cash in.
 
If we can sign Ndombele and another more attacking mf who is a passer as well (I have no idea who), then we should fire up a RM, Barca PSG bidding war.

We'd get £150m+. That alone would nearly cover the two replacements. Ideally sign replacements before selling. A fresh £150m+ in the coffers will add to the United tax.
 
The annoying part is, the guy can be top class, but as another poster mentioned, when he's bad he's bad, there's no ok we will get 7 out of 10 today out of him, it seems it's iether a motm, game of nothing off him, consistently he's a nightmare for a manager, who can see his quality, and has to play him.

I'd have to play him if i was a manager no brainer, but what is needed, is another cm, to bring on of simlar qualities if he's not doing it. Pogba I do think is looking else where, this is a problem if ole wants to get players in to work with him in midfield. I know he can be top class but if a offer comes in of reported £150 million , I'd sell him.
 
It is cyclical i feel. Would not be surprized if he has a stormer against barca. But then he plays poorly after a few games.

Conflicted really. There is a player there, but i dont think he can do it 38 games a season.
 
SadlerMUFC said:
If Pogba is to stay then he needs a midfield partner who will do all the dirty work. France basically plays a 4-4-2 with Giroud and Griezman up front (they say it's a 4-2-3-1 with Griezman in the #10). The reason this works is because of one man, and in my opinion, he should be our #1 priority this summer if Pogba is to stay. And that man is N'Golo Kante. And if Sarri is still in charge at Chelsea, I think he could be a realistic option to get...
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I'd like to get Kante, but the recent 4 games, Arsenal, Wolves twice and Watford, I don't think he makes a big difference. Our issue is lack of creativity when Pogba isn't in the game. Kante for all greatness in his defensive part of the game won't solve that part. We'll still need to bring in another top quality mid to help in that regard. First we needed Matic, he will be the defensive part to Pogba's attacking prowess. Then we realised that won't work we needed a mid 3. We've tried herrera to some success but then we lack creativity. We went and bought Fred and that hasn't worked yet. We seem to be in a perpetual state of buying players to accomodate Pogba. Kante and another mid with some creativity won't be cheap, plus we've already paid 100 mill for Matic and Fred to date. I'd love to get Kante but he alone won't solve our problems.
 
I genuinely think he loves playing more for France than he does at United. You can really see the difference in his attitude and mindset there for club and country. Can't blame him though, his best mates are there and they carry much more quality than the ones he plays with at the club. Imagine he sees Mata on the right wing instead of Mbappe, or the cumbersome Romelu instead of Griezmann
 
Hugh Jass said:
It is cyclical i feel. Would not be surprized if he has a stormer against barca. But then he plays poorly after a few games.

Conflicted really. There is a player there, but i dont think he can do it 38 games a season.
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I would be very surprised. They will double up on him like PSG did, frustrate him out of the game. He doesn't seem to have the smarts to overcome those situations. When he does play with emotion a red card isn't far away
 
Are Barca going to put Busquets on him like PSG did with their makeshift Brazilian defender-midfielder? I generally think Barca knows they will have about 70% percent of the ball and not worry what Pogba will do but themselves
 
MancunianBIue said:
You have multiple weak links. Honestly as a City fan I hope you sell him, he's your only world class player in my opinion. Sell him and keep the likes of Herrera/Matic and see where that takes you. Laughable reactions on this forum, Herrera was horrific today yet his thread isn't bumped.
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I don't disagree with you, that he's the only world class player - but I think Pogba currently is a luxury player United can't afford to keep.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
So many excuses for him. He’s tired, he’s engineering a move away, he’s fallen out with the coach.. bla bla bla and on and on we go.. the simplest explanation is usually the right one - he’s just bloody inconsistent and unreliable for the whole season.

Get 160/170 million and get rid.
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I think you've hit the nail on the head. First he's in the wrong position, then it's the manager, then it's the players around him. Sooner or later we have to accept he's just inconsistent and shouldn't have a team built around him.
 
mitchmouse said:
It's one of the things (maybe minor-ish) than worries me about Ole getting the job. Is he tough enough to say: "you ain't good enough... bye!"
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Mourinho tried this and was reportedly left with no doubts about who Woodward and the club valued more highly, and would back, if it came to it.

It would be suicide for Solskjaer to try it.
 
Greats arent measured by their best games alone but consistency.

What separates legends like maldini, baresi, pirlo, zanetti and many other 2nd tier greats arent their peak but their consistency in delivering solid dependable performance week in week out.
 
Think Pogba will not renew and will leave next summer. Think De Gea will leave this summer though.
 
He is our only out field player of genuine top ability. Why on earth would anyone want him sold?

He just needs and deserves better players around him.
 
KingMinger22 said:
He is our only out field player of genuine top ability. Why on earth would anyone want him sold?

He just needs and deserves better players around him.
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He needs to get his head out of his own arse as well.
 
poleglass red said:
I'd like to get Kante, but the recent 4 games, Arsenal, Wolves twice and Watford, I don't think he makes a big difference. Our issue is lack of creativity when Pogba isn't in the game. Kante for all greatness in his defensive part of the game won't solve that part. We'll still need to bring in another top quality mid to help in that regard. First we needed Matic, he will be the defensive part to Pogba's attacking prowess. Then we realised that won't work we needed a mid 3. We've tried herrera to some success but then we lack creativity. We went and bought Fred and that hasn't worked yet. We seem to be in a perpetual state of buying players to accomodate Pogba. Kante and another mid with some creativity won't be cheap, plus we've already paid 100 mill for Matic and Fred to date. I'd love to get Kante but he alone won't solve our problems.
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How many midfielders does Pogba play with on the France squad? One...and his name is Kante. Are they lacking in creativity? Not at all. Because Kante does the work of 2 midfielders which allows Pogba to be more offensive and more creative (See Griezman's goal in the last game set up by Pogba). This also allows 2 strikers in the 18 with the wingers coming in too. More people to get on the end of crosses or cut back passes from the byline...
 
We need to wise up to the fact that these numbers aren't one-off contracts and will have implications for every single contract renewal at the club. Sanchez has fecked up the wage structure enough and we already overpay for mediocrity. I'd say get rid and buy Eriksen (who's on 75k p/w and is approaching the last year of his contract as well. He can also slot in nicely at AM which is where Pogba is playing atm).
 
Who'd have thought Sir Alex was right to get shot? Never thought it was a good plan to pay what we did to get him back.
 
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