Pogba Future

[RedorDead21]

And how did it work for Pogba, did the team improve since 2016? Have we surrounded him with quality players? Who is our manager?

The only thing nuts is that for some reason you can't accept our current shortcomings and you also didn't notice that I initially said that we have a chance to sign if we show some ambition beforehand.

I did say "regardless of how it works out"......that is again irelevant to the argument and my point...Hindsight!

 

[Le Red]

bruv, you typed an essay when all I asked was this:



and you still didn't provide a single name. you hate to see it :/

It's not a common situation because world class players are usually at clubs that have a good roster. Still, off the top of my head, I remember Riquelme being a boss at Villareal, where his teammates were far from world class. Not saying they were bad, but then, our players are not as bad as people make out to be. Certainly not bad enough to make a world class player look like shit.
Still, if you're interested, watch some Brazilian league matches involving some old players that retired from European football. Even at a more advanced age they are clearly one or two steps above their less skilled counterparts. Seedorf was an absolute beast for Botafogo at 36 with less than impressive teammates.
I maintain that world class is world class in any circumstance. If you don't think so, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[JPRouve]

I did say "regardless of how it works out"......that is again irelevant to the argument and my point...Hindsight!

Which is my point, that's foolish because Mbappé has that hindsight, why would he ignore it when he has to decide his future?

 

[Le Red]

I’ll answer it. No-one. Infact I’ll name a previous guy. Steven Gerrard and guess how good his team was in the league. But no one called him a flop.

The point is not how the team does overall, is how one single guy can be world class even when surrounded by average teammates. You actually gave a good example, one that Pogba seems unable to match.

 

[DoomSlayer]

Fanfiction. You don't bench your best player because he's not renewing/renewed his contract, especially when you are an unproven manager like Ole. Look at De Gea last season.

It kinda reminds me of them comical posts you see from time to time along the lines of "let him rot in the reserves".

Fanfiction? It's my opinion buddy, time will tell what happens in reality. Just because we are becoming a b*tch of a club, doesn't mean Ole will act like a coward if something goes on that doesn't please him.

What about when De Gea wasn't signing and looking for a transfer to Madrid? Van Gaal benched him straight away until the new contract was done. So what if Solskjaer isn't experienced, he isn't a p***y.

 

[George The Best]

Don't know how that works, it might be that I've seen some wrong information.

Either way, United don't ever include release clauses. Supposedly one of the main reasons we backed off from the De Ligt deal is Raiola's insistence on having one. Maybe it's true.

Nah, it’s because we don’t want to pay Raiola another mega ‘brokerage’ fee, plus meet MDL’s wage demands. I’m glad we stayed clear. Potential great player but asking too much too soon imo.

 

[IrishRedDevil]

A lovely briefing.



‘Manchester United are standing firm over Paul Pogba.

They have told Real Madrid they will have to offer between £150m and the world record £198m PSG paid for Neymar to sign the midfielder.’



‘Man Utd change Paul Pogba price tag after Mino Raiola's transfer comments.’



‘Manchester United to raise Paul Pogba valuation to £180million if agent Mino Raiola continues to push for Real Madrid or Juventus transfer.’

 

[Denis79]

If he doesn't commit, Ole might not trust him and put him on the bench. Pogba would be risking a lot by doing that, plus a new contract means a big fee that goes into that fat Italian feck's pocket.

Ole will be under so much pressure that he'll have to play him, even more so considering our slim pickings in midfield.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Ole will be under so much pressure that he'll have to play him, even more so considering our slim pickings in midfield.

Disagree with this. Ole won’t play a player who doesn’t commit, pressure or no pressure but playing player who doesn’t commit is the same thing with playing with 10 men. Pogba will have no choice to commit & impress if he cares about Euro 2020.

 

[Denis79]

Disagree with this. Ole won’t play a player who doesn’t commit, pressure or no pressure but playing player who doesn’t commit is the same thing with playing with 10 men. Pogba will have no choice to commit & impress if he cares about Euro 2020.

Hope you're right but Ole has shown little of that ruthlesness so far.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Fanfiction? It's my opinion buddy, time will tell what happens in reality. Just because we are becoming a b*tch of a club, doesn't mean Ole will act like a coward if something goes on that doesn't please him.

What about when De Gea wasn't signing and looking for a transfer to Madrid? Van Gaal benched him straight away until the new contract was done. So what if Solskjaer isn't experienced, he isn't a p***y.

LVG didn’t play DDG due to a reason of him not focusing in the game due to transfer saga.

 

[George The Best]

Heaven forbid there is a player on Earth wanting to test themselves as in individual in what is otherwise a team game....to be the guy who makes all the difference....to join "a project" at the only big club on the planet not allowed to have a project and attract players who could otherwise go elsewhere. City, Juve, Liverpool, Chelsea are all ok to do it but no, not united. We didn't attract Europes best players when we dominated for 20 years so perhaps we will now.

City, Pool, Spurs are delivering on their promises of building a ‘project’, which they used to attract players. Our ‘project’ when Pogba rejoined us has never got off the ground. At his age he wants to be competing for major trophies, not playing on a Thursday night in some frozen wasteland. He’s a petulant barsteward, prone to switching off far too much, but at least he has ambition. I think he just wants that ambition matched by the club. We’ve let him down as much as he has let us down, but I think I understand it. If he stays, with a new contract, we absolutely need to hit the transfer market big time. We can do things other clubs can’t according to Woody. Well time to step up to the plate and back Ole to rebuild this squad with serious money. Early indications are not good so far though.

 

[DoomSlayer]

LVG didn’t play DDG due to a reason of him not focusing in the game due to transfer saga.

And not signing the new contract that was offered. I bet talks are being done behind the scenes with Pogba about that already.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Hope you're right but Ole has shown little of that ruthlesness so far.

Doesn’t need to be ruthless in this aspect, it’s general thing to do for every manager.

 

[Denis79]

Doesn’t need to be ruthless in this aspect, it’s general thing to do for every manager.

Not really, I think Ole will play Pogba no matter how bad his form is, just like he did with De Gea last season.

 

[RedTiger]

A lovely briefing.



‘Manchester United are standing firm over Paul Pogba.

They have told Real Madrid they will have to offer between £150m and the world record £198m PSG paid for Neymar to sign the midfielder.’



‘Man Utd change Paul Pogba price tag after Mino Raiola's transfer comments.’



‘Manchester United to raise Paul Pogba valuation to £180million if agent Mino Raiola continues to push for Real Madrid or Juventus transfer.’

That's what I like to hear.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Not really, I think Ole will play Pogba no matter how bad his form is, just like he did with De Gea last season.

We are talking about a manager who bench a player who doesn’t commit not a player who is in bad form. Don’t mix them into one, two different scenario.

 

[George The Best]

Not really, I think Ole will play Pogba no matter how bad his form is, just like he did with De Gea last season.

Of course he will. Our best player, Adidas sponsored, Marketing gift of the Gods to us.

 

[Denis79]

We are talking about a manager who bench a player who doesn’t commit not a player who is in bad form. Don’t mix them into one, two different scenario.

Still think he'll play him even after all the drama this summer, signing a new contract or not.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Still think he'll play him even after all the drama this summer, signing a new contract or not.

Pogba will commit to play football this season with us if he wants to play in Euro 2020. Otherwise, Ole won’t play him & Pogba will have slim chance to play in euro.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Good lord, people getting giddy because we've briefed that we're going to up our Pogba's price up, propaganda Ed is at work again.

This summer was supposed to be about incomings, and most before the tour, perhaps just concentrate on doing this, rather than playing billy big bollocks in the media over players we've already got.

 

[DoomSlayer]

Of course he will. Our best player, Adidas sponsored, Marketing gift of the Gods to us.

No way, Ole won't care about Adidas ffs.

Pogba will have a decision if he stays - sign a new contract and commit 1000% to United or don't, be unfocused and risk not playing much, which will be bad for his chances of going to the European Championship in 2020.

 

[Denis79]

Pogba will commit to play football this season with us if he wants to play in Euro 2020. Otherwise, Ole won’t play him & Pogba will have slim chance to play in euro.

Ole will play him is what I believe, no matter if he signs a contract or not. He's our "star" player and all that.

 

[George The Best]

A lovely briefing.



‘Manchester United are standing firm over Paul Pogba.

They have told Real Madrid they will have to offer between £150m and the world record £198m PSG paid for Neymar to sign the midfielder.’



‘Man Utd change Paul Pogba price tag after Mino Raiola's transfer comments.’



‘Manchester United to raise Paul Pogba valuation to £180million if agent Mino Raiola continues to push for Real Madrid or Juventus transfer.’

Absolutely the right thing to do seeing how we are being shafted by everyone else.

 

[Red Dreams]

Its clear he will be our player this season.
Sounds like Woodward has finally got fed up with Raiola's BS.
Of course Ole will play him.

We still need to get Bruno and another midfielder though.

 

[DoomSlayer]

Ole will play him is what I believe, no matter if he signs a contract or not. He's our "star" player and all that.

Yeah but what if mentally he is already in Madrid? Signing a contract means a change of attitude towards any sort of move, because Pogba will know only a world-record fee can take him off us at that point.

The only reason the price is what it is in this inflated market is the fact he has 3 years left and has expressed his wishes to leave. A new contract and proper dedication to the cause makes him worth north of £200 million for us.

 

[Denis79]

Yeah but what if mentally he is already in Madrid? Signing a contract means a change of attitude towards any sort of move, because Pogba will know only a world-record fee can take him off us at that point.

The only reason the price is what it is in this inflated market is the fact he has 3 years left and has expressed his wishes to leave. A new contract and proper dedication to the cause makes him worth north of £200 million for us.

I believe the club and Ole will do everything they can to paint a pretty picture of how happy and dedicated Pogba is here, next season he's off, new contract or not. He has openly said he wants to leave, so has his agent. So what has changed, the last few weeks? More money will make him dedicated? Don't buy that, sorry.

 

[redshaw]

89 million wouldn't buy you two Longstaff's and a pair of shin pads.

Getouttahere you fecking tyre kickers.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Yeah but what if mentally he is already in Madrid? Signing a contract means a change of attitude towards any sort of move, because Pogba will know only a world-record fee can take him off us at that point.

The only reason the price is what it is in this inflated market is the fact he has 3 years left and has expressed his wishes to leave. A new contract and proper dedication to the cause makes him worth north of £200 million for us.

New contract doesn't change his worth, he's already got 3 years left on his current one. Giving him a raise when he's failed to consistently deliver at his age is madness. We should just play hardball with him, his agent and Real Madrid. There's nothing to be gained by rewarding him with a new contract.

 

[KennyBurner]

A lovely briefing.



‘Manchester United are standing firm over Paul Pogba.

They have told Real Madrid they will have to offer between £150m and the world record £198m PSG paid for Neymar to sign the midfielder.’



‘Man Utd change Paul Pogba price tag after Mino Raiola's transfer comments.’



‘Manchester United to raise Paul Pogba valuation to £180million if agent Mino Raiola continues to push for Real Madrid or Juventus transfer.’

It so funny because when we bought pogba for 89 million Im pretty sure we also didnt think he was worth that. If there is one thing i am glad about in todays transfer market is that we too can play hardball and quote silly prices like everyone else.

 

[George The Best]

I believe the club and Ole will do everything they can to paint a pretty picture of how happy and dedicated Pogba is here, next season he's off, new contract or not. He has openly said he wants to leave, so has his agent. So what has changed, the last few weeks? More money will make him dedicated? Don't buy that, sorry.

Ambition. That’s the only thing that will make him stay long term imo. If we’ve given him ‘assurances’ that we are going to invest in the football club then we bloody well need to deliver.

 

[Giggsyking]

You are not going to pretend that Aguero and Hazard joined City and Chelsea for romance? And they were leaving seller clubs with small ambitions, Chelsea and City were step ups in terms of "projects" with one of them just winning the CL. In Mbappé you are talking about a player currently playing for an ambitious club, he isn't leaving them for the absolute unknown.

winning the farmers league is not ambitious tbf.

 

[GlastonSpur]

My feeling is that United are refusing to sell Pogba - unless for a fee that no-one is willing to pay - mainly as a matter of pride, rather than for common-sense reasons.

I actually think that United would be better off without him, using the money to sign one or more players that are not just talented, but actually hard-working and committed.

If I was a United fan I'd fear that unless Pogba is sold the script for the coming season is already being written and mainly features an amplified version of what we've already seen.

 

[Crimson King]

My feeling is that United are refusing to sell Pogba - unless for a fee that no-one is willing to pay - mainly as a matter of pride, rather than for common-sense reasons.

I actually think that United would be better off without him, using the money to sign one or more players that are not just talented, but actually hard-working and committed.

If I was a United fan I'd fear that unless Pogba is sold the script for the coming season is already being written and mainly features an amplified version of what we've already seen.

But when we're being asked to pay £50 million for Longstaff then there's no point in letting him go on the 'cheap', as the money wouldn't go very far.

Especially not to a team who tried to take us to the cleaners for Morata a couple of years ago.

If we got a decent offer I honestly think we'd sell him and reinvest it in someone a bit more industrious, like you suggest. However, it sounds like Madrid want to take advantage of us and try to do a deal between £80-100 million.

So roughly want Leicester want for Maguire...

I, personally, hope we don't let that happen. We've already set some awful transfer/wage precedents.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Ole will play him is what I believe, no matter if he signs a contract or not. He's our "star" player and all that.

Just because he doesn’t sign doesn’t mean he won’t commit for a season on us.

 

[Steerpike]

My feeling is that United are refusing to sell Pogba - unless for a fee that no-one is willing to pay - mainly as a matter of pride, rather than for common-sense reasons.

I actually think that United would be better off without him, using the money to sign one or more players that are not just talented, but actually hard-working and committed.

If I was a United fan I'd fear that unless Pogba is sold the script for the coming season is already being written and mainly features an amplified version of what we've already seen.

I fear your observation is spot on. Despite Ole's comments about Pogba's professionalism and personality, which I suspect have more to do with supporting his price tag than anything else, I think the player has already decided his future lies elsewhere. There's no question that the club could simply refuse to sell him, but having an influential figure who wants away is not a recipe for a happy dressing room. Pogba would most likely be forced to knuckle down and accept the situation, or risk being out in the cold for both club and country, but I still don't imagine we'd get the best out of him.

Like it or not, the best outcome is that he leaves for a decent fee, and we get on with planning for next season sans Pogba.

 

[AkaAkuma]

I think we will ultimately keep him, as we did with De Gea. We have a 3 year contract with him which takes him past his prime years. I think within that period we will see him sign a fat new contract.

 

[Rolaholic]

That's what I like to hear.

Agreed,about time clubs paid fee's on our own terms instead of expecting us to offload talent for less than the clubs valuation.

Every other top club negotiates on their own terms and make profit off their stars more often than not. Can't remember the last we made solid profit on a buy,clubs always manage to bully dolorous Ed in the market.

More than time we showed some backbone

 

[Le Red]

My feeling is that United are refusing to sell Pogba - unless for a fee that no-one is willing to pay - mainly as a matter of pride, rather than for common-sense reasons.

I actually think that United would be better off without him, using the money to sign one or more players that are not just talented, but actually hard-working and committed.

If I was a United fan I'd fear that unless Pogba is sold the script for the coming season is already being written and mainly features an amplified version of what we've already seen.

Me too. I like that they are not bending and sending the fat fecker a message, but ultimately I wouldn't like them to price them out.

 

[Needham]

The saddest part of this whole saga is the sullying of a good man like Mino Raiola's reputation.