Pogba Future

[elmo]

I cannot understand this viewpoint. Please explain why you feel so relaxed?

You couldn't care less that our No.1 player who the team without any doubt, relies on for absolutely everything potentially wants out?

Considering our recent history with how hard we find it to acquire top players, that is very, very strange to me.

Also, remember that Coutinho cost Barcelona 140million euros once they had Neymar money. He's nowhere near Pogba's level.

That 200mil, it doesn't mean jack in the hands of our incompetent board.

Because he only shows up when he wants to and is just outright terrible when he's sulking.

Having to cater around the mood and whims of a single player is just bad management and we shouldn't be blackmailed into making further bad decisions just because we made one in giving Sanchez a huge contract .

 

[MrBest]

If he wants to go, let him go. If he wants to stay then give him a new contract. We have no time for begging players to stay if they do not want to. Id rather use his fee (150m?) on a few more players. Yes Pogba is a asset to the team but he is replaceable. We just need to make sure we focus on getting champions league for us and not Pogba. Ole will probably be manager and I am confident he can lure players to the United dream. I was in Paris for work last week, was speaking to the Uber driver and he was telling me how much respect Ole has been getting on the continents from fans and players.

 

[rotherham_red]

7 PL Titles
4 FA Cups
1 Champions League
1 PFA POTY award voted no. 1 best player in the league by fellow professionals and managers

Voted in the PFA team of the century

He made more appearances for his country than both Giggs and Scholes did. If you've been paying attention to what's been happening with Ireland's head of football organization the past few days you'll understand that Keane is not the only one who was disgusted by how things were/are being run.

Fergie once said about him 'To my mind he was the best player in all my time here, fantastic."

Yeah you're right, his loyalty to Man Utd was very questionable.

You listed his achievements there, which, along with the SAF quote, is irrelevant to the argument and only highlight that he was a damn successful footballer while he was here, which nobody with two functioning eyes would dispute.

John Delaney joined the IFA in 2004/5 - a couple of years after Saipan, so totally irrelevant to your argument, again.

His loyalty to Utd is so apparent these days as well, isn't it? Never shy to kick us while we're down and badmouth us in the press.

Also, I wonder what SAF would say about him now, as opposed to back then?

 

[Eleven-Eighteen]

People here are wondering why everyone gets antsy when players make such comments...how could one not.

Non-English players always seem to eventually leave for Spain; and losing Ronaldo to Real Madrid right in the middle of his prime is honestly a trauma that not many have recovered from. He did the same thing - "Real Madrid is a dream" - for 2 seasons before eventually leaving. And that was when United were at the peak of our powers...

 

[kouroux]

People here are wondering why everyone gets antsy when players make such comments...how could one not.

Non-English players always seem to eventually leave for Spain; and losing Ronaldo to Real Madrid right in the middle of his prime is honestly a trauma that not many have recovered from. He did the same thing - "Real Madrid is a dream" - for 2 seasons before eventually leaving. And that was when United were at the peak of our powers...

Oh come on, a trauma now

 

[Judas]

To be fair I still remember exactly where I was and who told me when the news officially broke that Ronaldo was going, rushing onto Sky Sports, I'll never forget it

 

[Eleven-Eighteen]

Oh come on, a trauma now

I exaggerate. Could have used a better word.

But still - had he stayed, we had another CL in the bag. Guaranteed.

 

[Adam-Utd]

To be fair I still remember exactly where I was and who told me when the news officially broke that Ronaldo was going, rushing onto Sky Sports, I'll never forget it

Same here, £80m at the time sounded like huge money too. Worth every penny for Real in the end, should have got £120m

 

[Champagne Football]

You listed his achievements there, which, along with the SAF quote, is irrelevant to the argument and only highlight that he was a damn successful footballer while he was here, which nobody with two functioning eyes would dispute.

John Delaney joined the IFA in 2004/5 - a couple of years after Saipan, so totally irrelevant to your argument, again.

His loyalty to Utd is so apparent these days as well, isn't it? Never shy to kick us while we're down and badmouth us in the press.

Also, I wonder what SAF would say about him now, as opposed to back then?

With athletes who have maintained phenomenally high standards for a long period of time, while achieving everything along the way, the long term pressure can eventually lead to a meltdown as what has been seen in the past with the Zidane headbutt, Djokovic utterly destroying his racket on court last year, Ronnie O'sullivan wildly waving his cue around at every miss in the final a few nights ago.

With Keane he was a ticking time bomb at the end of his Utd career. He desperately wanted to play in a champions league final before retiring yet that seemed almost impossible with Fergie preferring to give game time to struggling youngsters like Richardson and Fletcher instead of signing the best in the world like Madrid were doing. His frustrations boiled over, as what tends to happen with seriel winners who feel their standards aren't been matched by everyone else.

 

[.Rossi]

With athletes who have maintained phenomenally high standards for a long period of time, while achieving everything along the way, the long term pressure can eventually lead to a meltdown as what has been seen in the past with the Zidane headbutt, Djokovic utterly destroying his racket on court last year, Ronnie O'sullivan wildly waving his cue around at every miss in the final a few nights ago.

With Keane he was a ticking time bomb at the end of his Utd career. He desperately wanted to play in a champions league final before retiring yet that seemed almost impossible with Fergie preferring to give game time to struggling youngsters like Richardson and Fletcher instead of signing the best in the world like Madrid were doing. His frustrations boiled over, as what tends to happen with seriel winners who feel their standards aren't been matched by everyone else.

Ignore him

He's being a hypocrite

 

[Patrick08]

People here are wondering why everyone gets antsy when players make such comments...how could one not.

Non-English players always seem to eventually leave for Spain; and losing Ronaldo to Real Madrid right in the middle of his prime is honestly a trauma that not many have recovered from. He did the same thing - "Real Madrid is a dream" - for 2 seasons before eventually leaving. And that was when United were at the peak of our powers...

Only money and trophies talk, as long as we pay top dollar and compete on highest level we are in no danger of that happening again and the inflation now has assured Spain does not hold the same power as before.

 

[carvajal]

Today el confidencial writes about Ndombele, in reference to the price of Pogba.
I do not know if Pogba is the first choice for Zidane but at present I can't imagine a big offer.
Maybe he'll be happy with Ndombele or another defensive midfielder + Eriksen,for the money we would need to sign Pogba(this summer).
I think he/Raiola will be beating around the bush for a long time, to finally renew or to force a way out,that could be to Juve.

 

[kouroux]

I exaggerate. Could have used a better word.

But still - had he stayed, we had another CL in the bag. Guaranteed.

We probably would have won a lot more PL titles, only if Ronaldo was 100% focused on us but the more he decided to leave for Real Madrid, we were never gonna hold him forever.

 

[Patrick08]

We probably would have won a lot more PL titles, only if Ronaldo was 100% focused on us but the more he decided to leave for Real Madrid, we were never gonna hold him forever.

We were getting stagnated with scholes Ferdinand vidic evra giggs van der sar all getting older and not showing enough ambition in the market for future continued success and and even the ambition for paying top dollar for top players with glazer effect kicking in eventually he made a quick decision.

We are not in the same situation and in same era now. And pogba and ronaldo situations can not be compared together and used as a reason to drive home a point of why one would think pogba will move.

 

[roonster09]

We were getting stagnated with scholes Ferdinand vidic evra giggs van der sar all getting older and not showing enough ambition in the market for future continued success and and even the ambition for paying top dollar for top players with glazer effect kicking in eventually he made a quick decision.

We are not in the same situation and in same era now. And pogba and ronaldo situations can not be compared together and used as a reason to drive home a point of why one would think pogba will move.

End of 2007-08 Ferdinand was 30, Evra was 27, Vidic was 27. Vidic and Evra had plenty of years in the tank.

Also that season we signed two of most promising youngsters for big money, Nani and Anderson. Signed CM from Bayern and signed one of the best strikers on 2 year loan deal. Ronaldo decided to leave in 2008.

Later we signed Berbatov for record deal. Ronaldo leaving us has nothing to do with investment/ambition. He won everything there is to win at ManUtd and moving to Spain big 2 was his dream.

 

[kouroux]

End of 2007-08 Ferdinand was 30, Evra was 27, Vidic was 27. Vidic and Evra had plenty of years in the tank.

Also that season we signed two of most promising youngsters for big money, Nani and Anderson. Signed CM from Bayern and signed one of the best strikers on 2 year loan deal. Ronaldo decided to leave in 2008.

Later we signed Berbatov for record deal. Ronaldo leaving us has nothing to do with investment/ambition. He won everything there is to win at ManUtd and moving to Spain big 2 was his dream.

It's as simple as that for me, Ronaldo was set on to play for them. We did well to get an extra season from him IMHO

 

[SlimDizzle075]

It's as simple as that for me, Ronaldo was set on to play for them. We did well to get an extra season from him IMHO

There was a deal between SAF and CR7 after the 2008 summer when the Real Madrid rumors circled. If you want the move i will help you, but you arent just leaving us high and dry. and "you wont embarrass this club"
Nani was supposed to grow into a starter at that point and was there to replace CR7's width, creativity and service, and Berbatov was bought to replace his Goal output. This all took place prior to the sale.

CR7 stuck around for another season to help SAF make sure that everything was sorted before he left. After the loss to Barca, the pre-negotiated deal between ManUnited and RMadrid was completed.

CR7 had also won EVERYTHING and proven himself to be the best player in the EPL. I've personally never forgiven him for leaving and tearing apart the most exciting attacking team i've ever seen. and then continuously paying lip service to the fans he crushed on the way out the door for 10+ years.. but thats just me. CR7 can kick rocks as far as i am concerned. Pogba by comparison hasn't won anything with United, and has only proven he is "one of" the best players in the EPL when he feels like being one.

I feel like Pogba was simply giving a diplomatic answer to a loaded question. He stressed how happy he is here at the same time. These "super players" are taught very young by their agents to NEVER say NEVER and always show respect in these scenarios because as they say. "no one knows the future". Until an actual bid is made and he pushes for the exit, I wouldn't get too invested in this.

 

[kouroux]

There was a deal between SAF and CR7 after the 2008 summer when the Real Madrid rumors circled. If you want the move i will help you, but you arent just leaving us high and dry. and "you wont embarrass this club"
Nani was supposed to grow into a starter at that point and was there to replace CR7's width, creativity and service, and Berbatov was bought to replace his Goal output. This all took place prior to the sale.

CR7 stuck around for another season to help SAF make sure that everything was sorted before he left. After the loss to Barca, the pre-negotiated deal between ManUnited and RMadrid was completed.

CR7 had also won EVERYTHING and proven himself to be the best player in the EPL. I've personally never forgiven him for leaving and tearing apart the most exciting attacking team i've ever seen. and then continuously paying lip service to the fans he crushed on the way out the door for 10+ years.. but thats just me. CR7 can kick rocks as far as i am concerned. Pogba by comparison hasn't won anything with United, and has only proven he is "one of" the best players in the EPL when he feels like being one.

I feel like Pogba was simply giving a diplomatic answer to a loaded question. He stressed how happy he is here at the same time. These "super players" are taught very young by their agents to NEVER say NEVER and always show respect in these scenarios because as they say. "no one knows the future". Until an actual bid is made and he pushes for the exit, I wouldn't get too invested in this.

You seriously need to dial down on the drama for your own sake, those players don't belong to us. This can be unhealthy if unchecked, being mad at a player for leaving when he's earned his move away by winning everything for us is crazy to me.

 

[SlimDizzle075]

You seriously need to dial down on the drama for your own sake, those players don't belong to us. This can be unhealthy if unchecked, being mad at a player for leaving when he's earned his move away by winning everything for us is crazy to me.

I'm fairly comfortable with how I view things.. Thanks for your .02 though, it was extremely valuable!

 

[Nicoseth]

ESPN reporting that Pogba is not for sale at any price, and plans are to discuss new contract in the summer. Good to hear. Real and Barca can do one.

 

[Loublaze]

People here are wondering why everyone gets antsy when players make such comments...how could one not.

Non-English players always seem to eventually leave for Spain; and losing Ronaldo to Real Madrid right in the middle of his prime is honestly a trauma that not many have recovered from. He did the same thing - "Real Madrid is a dream" - for 2 seasons before eventually leaving. And that was when United were at the peak of our powers...

Yep. He left us European champions for a club that was playing second fiddle to Barcelona in La Liga.

 

[Zed 101]

If Madrid interested as is being reported I think he will become a disruptive influence, I would therefore be happy to sell him top dollar + would be interested in Kroos the other way if it didn't take too big a chuck out of the Pogba fee

Rather sell him then he bring any negativity down on the team, whilst he is talented he is inconsistent would much rather have someboy more reliable who doesn't bring the baggage

 

[Catt]

If Madrid interested as is being reported I think he will become a disruptive influence, I would therefore be happy to sell him top dollar + would be interested in Kroos the other way if it didn't take too big a chuck out of the Pogba fee

Why would you want Kroos? There's not motivation left in that guy.

 

[Jib]

Weird that Real Madrid want him. I tought that De Gea, Ander Herrera and Luke Shaw were better than him

 

[GatoLoco]

AS have just run a story saying Pogba wanted to sign for Real in 2016 but Florentino wouldn't deal with Raoila.

Shows how highly Real value Pogba doesn't it. Maybe he should think about it.

I don't think AS know anything at all. Their relation with Florentino is bad to say the least.

My theory is that Real Madrid wanted the player but Manchester United offered the best deal. That's all.

 

[Judas]

I don't believe Pogba will become a disruptive force under Ole, even if he wanted to leave.

I know people want to make this a saga, but until we see some proper evidence, I'm just not buying it, he's going nowhere this summer, Real won't stump up nearly enough for us to be even tempted.

 

[GatoLoco]

Did anyone follow Raiola's tactic with Donnarumma at Milan?

It's practically impossible to know their real intentions imo.

 

[Zed 101]

Why would you want Kroos? There's not motivation left in that guy.

Real Madrid does that to players, not unusual for top/world class player to hit the doldrums at Madrid then immediately on moving regain that spark and hit their earlier heights

 

[finneh]

It's natural that he mentions Madrid as he will be wanting a new contract damn soon, especially as he's no longer the best paid player in the league.

He'll have de facto 3 years left on his deal this Summer. He's too far from being able to leverage a huge new deal without playing these kind of games but also will feel with his performances since Ole's arrival that he's worth around £400k per week.

The board have to play this quite smart, leaving it until he has 18 months left to negotiate a new deal would be stupid. However giving him a £6m per annual pay rise when he has over 3 years left would also be stupid.

If we're smart we'll start talks around Xmas time when he has 2.5 years left so enough for him to have little leverage but not enough to set a bad precedant that we hand out contracts so early based on small flirtations.

That could change of course if Pogba and Raiola start to kick up a real fuss, although again they have little leverage for the next 12 months given his contract situation (likewise the other great options available in his position like Eriksen and Coutinho)

 

[Judas]

Real Madrid does that to players, not unusual for top/world class player to hit the doldrums at Madrid then immediately on moving regain that spark and hit their earlier heights

Yep think this is certainly true, that doesn't mean I think it's true of Kroos, but it's certainly been true of many players in the past. Playing for Real is a drain, such a pressure environment.

 

[JohnnyKills]

I don't think AS know anything at all. Their relation with Florentino is bad to say the least.

My theory is that Real Madrid wanted the player but Manchester United offered the best deal. That's all.

Have worked with people from AS in the past and they're extremely well-connected I think. I believe one of their journos worked in the RM press department.

 

[JohnnyKills]

Interestingly Marca now talking up Mane going to RM. They've got an interview with Romeu today, saying he'd be amazing at the Bernabeu and could help RM turn their current situation around.

 

[charlenefan]

Interestingly Marca now talking up Mane going to RM. They've got an interview with Romeu today, saying he'd be amazing at the Bernabeu and could help RM turn their current situation around.

I'd be so deflated if I were a Madrid fan if after being linked with Hazard, Neymar and Mbappe they signed Mane

 

[cyberman]

I'd be so deflated if I were a Madrid fan if after being linked with Hazard, Neymar and Mbappe they signed Mane

Its what they always do and posters constantly fall for it.
They then sign Ascensio type, cheaper aternatives and everybody tells us how they're building for the future with world class youngsters.
Just wait until the Zidiane overrules Perez Galatico otherwise they totally could have signed Messi, Pogba and Mbappe in a week story that was inevitably come out.

 

[BrianMcClair'sBarnet]

If he goes,he goes.We'll just replace him with a player with far less ability.

 

[rotherham_red]

He's not going. Real haven't been relevant in the transfer market since 2014 and with the wages we can offer we'd blow them out the water.

The key thing is to make sure that we bring in proper quality this summer and ensure that Pogba is not the only player we rely on.

 

[Che Guevara]

Some of the comments on here, oh dear. I don't think Pogba has said or done anything to justify him being lambasted this much. It's not like he is doing a Paul Ince, and there is nothing to suggest or justify the conclusion that he wants out.

 

[Adisa]

I'd be so deflated if I were a Madrid fan if after being linked with Hazard, Neymar and Mbappe they signed Mane

Mane is an incredible player and in some ways is more of a player they need than Hazard .

 

[JohnnyKills]

I'd be so deflated if I were a Madrid fan if after being linked with Hazard, Neymar and Mbappe they signed Mane

Tbf they're not going to get Mbappe or Neymar and I'd rather have Mane than Hazard. Mane is younger and he's a seriously good player.

 

[JohnnyKills]

Mane is an incredible player and in some ways is more of a player they need than Hazard .

Haha just posted exactly the same message without reading yours!