So why have we not done that? That could have been a way to utilise Beckham or Cantona.
Plundering Everton?
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Probably because Beckham has never had a great relationship with the club. First the Fergie problem and then putting on the green and gold. That plus he clearly does his own thing.
And you think Cantona is going to talk to some young kid about united? Cantona marches to the beat of his own drum
How much are some expecting Stones to cost given Laporte/Varane/Marquinhos will all cost over £30M? 
I like Besic and I think he still has a higher ceiling than we've seen so far. If we bother with an RB Coleman is the only one worth getting now Danilo is off to Real.
Barkley is more like Pogba IMO, athletic with great acceleration and the ability to produce the spectacular, he's just way more inconsistent. I'd say McCarthy is similar to Strootman, decent all rounder and good ball winner.
I like Besic and I think he still has a higher ceiling than we've seen so far. If we bother with an RB Coleman is the only one worth getting now Danilo is off to Real.
Barkley is more like Pogba IMO, athletic with great acceleration and the ability to produce the spectacular, he's just way more inconsistent. I'd say McCarthy is similar to Strootman, decent all rounder and good ball winner.
True about Eric. Shame about Becks because to me they are the only two that might persuade players to come. I would have said Paul Scholes as well, but he seems more intent on slagging the club off at the moment, than persuading people to join us.
Barkley is athletic, but is nowhere near as talented as Pogba. Barkley has come to a grinding halt, maybe he does need a move, but you would still think he should have made some progess. Varane/Laporte/Marquinhos would cost over £30m because they are worth over £30m. Stones isn't yet and I don't want us buying another CB project like Jones and Smalling.How much are some expecting Stones to cost given Laporte/Varane/Marquinhos will all cost over £30M?
I like Besic and I think he still has a higher ceiling than we've seen so far. If we bother with an RB Coleman is the only one worth getting now Danilo is off to Real.
Barkley is more like Pogba IMO, athletic with great acceleration and the ability to produce the spectacular, he's just way more inconsistent. I'd say McCarthy is similar to Strootman, decent all rounder and good ball winner.
Well I did say he is way less consistent, I was just saying he is more in the mold of Pogba than he is Strootman. As for Stones my point was more that some were talking like he'd be more expensive than the others which I doubt he would, he also has done very well for a mid table team in his domestic league like Laporte has in La Liga. In truth none of them alone fixes our defense, any of these young CB's would be good additions but we still need a top, proven experienced CB to mesh that back 4 IMO.
Which is probably why he is desperately hoping we get Top 4 and can get Hummels or Godin.
The Strootman that at this present moment can barely walk? I'd be devastated if we wasted transfer money on him this Summer to be honest.
Strootman I think is much more of a general and much more consistent.
I'd take McCarthy definitely. He'd actually suit our team a lot given that he brings many of the qualities we seem to lack. He's also still young enough to keep improving. Only worry would be the hamstring injuries he's been struggling with.
We obviously need a RB and Coleman would be an obvious option there. He'd likely be overpriced and definitely has his flaws but there aren't all that many better options being mentioned either....
Barkley and Stones are both very talented and certainly players I'd be interested in but I think they'd be better off staying at Everton for a while longer so they can keep developing. Not sure they're ready to make the step up just yet.
We obviously need a RB and Coleman would be an obvious option there. He'd likely be overpriced and definitely has his flaws but there aren't all that many better options being mentioned either....
Barkley and Stones are both very talented and certainly players I'd be interested in but I think they'd be better off staying at Everton for a while longer so they can keep developing. Not sure they're ready to make the step up just yet.
Yeah we'll see I guess, always risks around injured players
Yes, I think Hummels is the style of CB that LvG probably favours. However we have been strongly linked with Marquinhos and Varane, it might be nothing but it does make me wonder if he is also considering bringing in a younger CB of his liking as well.
Barkley is too much like Herrera, gives the ball away too often, tries things that don't always come off, not to mention he's massively overrated.
Only Stones and Coleman are good enough. Stones is quality, best english centre half around imo (which doesn't really do him justice either).
Only Stones and Coleman are good enough. Stones is quality, best english centre half around imo (which doesn't really do him justice either).
Plundering is a strange word.
The prices they will charge us, it will be daylight robbery.
Coleman is the only one I'd want.
Stones, Barkley, McCarthy and Coleman could all come in and improve the squad definitely. Coleman would be a starter and you can make a case for the other three.
Mirallas would be a not bad shout for back up as as wing forward assuming we to 433
Mirallas would be a not bad shout for back up as as wing forward assuming we to 433
People talk about player like Stones and McCarthy but they are a level below what we should be looking at. They could do a job and might be a bit better than what we have but I don't see them making the step up to being Champions League contending players. In a year or two our fans would be moaning about them while talking wistfully about top bracket players at other clubs.
We should steer clear of Everton players.
Still have no idea why barkley is rated by anyone. Maybe i missed the games where he played well but in the couple dozen i've seen him hes
looked naive, raw, unintelligent (as a footballer, not commenting on his actual intelligence) and over confident, with no end product. Just looks the very definition of mediocre.
Everton have some decent players and i'd put their current league struggles down to europe.
If they win the uefa cup no one will remember or care that they had a disappointing league season. Its not like the league matters that much to them really.
The best they'd have managed would be qualifying for the uefa cup and whats the point if they dont go for it? Its not like they're actually going to get relegated anyway.
Still as others have said we need top quality for the few remaining positions we're weak in. Not above average which is what most of their players are.
looked naive, raw, unintelligent (as a footballer, not commenting on his actual intelligence) and over confident, with no end product. Just looks the very definition of mediocre.
Everton have some decent players and i'd put their current league struggles down to europe.
If they win the uefa cup no one will remember or care that they had a disappointing league season. Its not like the league matters that much to them really.
The best they'd have managed would be qualifying for the uefa cup and whats the point if they dont go for it? Its not like they're actually going to get relegated anyway.
Still as others have said we need top quality for the few remaining positions we're weak in. Not above average which is what most of their players are.
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At the moment i would only sign Coleman and he's also on my transfer wishlist for next season.
Barkley and Stones should be 100% on our radar too but i would wait another season before both should be really on the top of our transfer list.
Both are staying hopefully another season at Everton because they are needing that.
Lukaku, Mirallas and McCarthy would make good squad players.
No to Besic and Garbutt.
Barkley and Stones should be 100% on our radar too but i would wait another season before both should be really on the top of our transfer list.
Both are staying hopefully another season at Everton because they are needing that.
Lukaku, Mirallas and McCarthy would make good squad players.
No to Besic and Garbutt.
Stones and Coleman I would definitely take.
McCarthy I never really rated, he's decent but nothing more. Everton/Tottenham level player at best really. Besic has potential and is very good on the ball and at reading the game but he's not what we need, and as much as I rate him, I don't think he has it in him to get to the top level. More Europa League then Champions league. Barkley's in the same boat IMO. Good youngster, plenty of potential, but I don't think he'll ever be world class or a key player at a big team.
No to everyone else.
McCarthy I never really rated, he's decent but nothing more. Everton/Tottenham level player at best really. Besic has potential and is very good on the ball and at reading the game but he's not what we need, and as much as I rate him, I don't think he has it in him to get to the top level. More Europa League then Champions league. Barkley's in the same boat IMO. Good youngster, plenty of potential, but I don't think he'll ever be world class or a key player at a big team.
No to everyone else.
Much of the time I've seen John Stones lately he's not looked that convincing, at least to me, but hes very young still, Barkley is a player I've liked since spotting him several years back in their youth though he's having a poor period just now.
Out of all their players I think Coleman would currently offer most to us.
Out of all their players I think Coleman would currently offer most to us.
He's still only 22 so I think he can develop a lot and could easily become better than Blind when he calms himself a bit. I don't think buying him this summer would be the way to go but after next season Carrick will be hitting 35 and if Besic continues to progress I think he'd be good competition for Blind as the #6.
When you compare it to some of the players we've had in midfield over the years then he's definitely good enough, I just mean in an ideal world where we have top players in every position in the team, then I don't think he'd quite cut it. Don't think Blind will be a key player here long term either. I rate him highly, just that he lacks those physical attributes really needed in that role, and while Besic is really fast, I don't think he quite has enough about him to make it to the very top. He can for sure prove a valuable squad player one day at a title challenging team, don't see why not, just don't think he'll become key player level. It's like with some players you just know have it. For Bosnia, we all knew Dzeko and Pjanic would be top class when they really broke through. Besic can be very good, just not quite United level (or the one we should be at ) IMO.
No mention of Leighton Baines?
He would even stay at Everton if they're going down.No mention of Leighton Baines?
I guess we'll see, I just feel 22 is a very early age to judge a #6 as it's a role that requires positional development and tactical nous, things that often take maturity to materialize where as attacking players are more instinctual. The interesting aspect of this discussion is that Carrick has been our guy in that role for a long time but is surely coming to an end, maybe Blind and Besic aren't the answer but they have time to prove themselves, and in fairness Carrick doesn't have all the physical attributes you usually associate with it, he's pretty slow and not all that powerful but makes up for it with passing quality and great reading of the game.
ahhhh Aldi shopping when we should be looking in M&S
Exactly, a team in the lower half of the league may have 1 good player who deserves to be playing in a better team, but not a wholesale buy up of a poor team, that's ridiculous.
Who do you think we whould be plundering then? The likes of Arsenal (Sanchez?), Liverpool (Sterling / Sturridge), Spurs (Eriksen / Kane??) or higher again? Real Madrid (Bale?), Barca (Pique?), Chelsea (Hazard???), City (Aguero???)
You do need to do a bit of both, players from the "Aldi" variety tend to be hungrier and with a lot to prove. What we shouldn't be doing though is taking half of the team from a side like Everton.
i trust that we are looking across the globe at all players capable of playing for United and higher levels. I hope that our scouting doesnt consist of "lets see who we can get from Everton"
We shouldn't be shopping at Everton.
There was a thing on the bbc website this morning where the United and Arsenal sides from 2005 were compared to our current sides and they tried to make a combined team.
Only DDG and Di Maria got into our 2005 side, and I couldn't really argue with it. That was pretty shocking! Arsenal were just as bad in comparison too.
I don't think any Everton players will improve us at the moment. Perhaps Barkley if he improves in a year or two.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31677806
There was a thing on the bbc website this morning where the United and Arsenal sides from 2005 were compared to our current sides and they tried to make a combined team.
Only DDG and Di Maria got into our 2005 side, and I couldn't really argue with it. That was pretty shocking! Arsenal were just as bad in comparison too.
I don't think any Everton players will improve us at the moment. Perhaps Barkley if he improves in a year or two.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31677806
Well, he's gone backwards this season
As @FlawlessThaw said, sometimes the 'Aldi' players can be just as effective as the overpriced M&S ones (just like in real life...). The likes of Di Maria, Falcao and Mata should be prove that sometimes splashing out on "worldies" doesnt guarantee you anything.
Call me Alex Ferguson, but at the moment we would do well to target a few players with proper PL experience, who can make the step up to a big club. Coleman would absolutely be my first choice for a new RB signing, Stones looks like a future star, and McCarthy/Barkley would improve us (although I dont think we necessarily should buy either as a priority).
Threads gonna be redundant when they are in the CL and United aren't next year....
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I think a lot of them would cost an absolute fortune, so wouldn't be worth the outlay and there would be cheaper alternatives elsewhere.
Stones, Coleman and McCarthy are the ones that stick out. I think van Gaal will prioritise a left-footed centre back though, so that might rule out signing Stones if LVG wants just the one centre back with Jones and Smalling being the two right-footers. Plus, you'll be looking at anything north of £25M for Stones. Personally, I'd see Jones leave if it meant Stones joining. As for Coleman, I'd prefer Clyne personally and he'd be cheaper also.
McCarthy could be a very good squad option and could be seen as a replacement for Carrick (even though he's got a year in him) I suppose.
Stones, Coleman and McCarthy are the ones that stick out. I think van Gaal will prioritise a left-footed centre back though, so that might rule out signing Stones if LVG wants just the one centre back with Jones and Smalling being the two right-footers. Plus, you'll be looking at anything north of £25M for Stones. Personally, I'd see Jones leave if it meant Stones joining. As for Coleman, I'd prefer Clyne personally and he'd be cheaper also.
McCarthy could be a very good squad option and could be seen as a replacement for Carrick (even though he's got a year in him) I suppose.