Gaming PlayStation Plus

Moby said:
I'd hate playing something like Bloodborne offline. That's actually a cop out because you can't get invaded in certain areas, so it makes the game easy.
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I hate getting invaded in Souls games, it's one mechanic I certainly didn't miss in Sekiro.

Soulsborne PvP is quite shite, if we're honest. The whole asynchronous multiplayer is a neat idea but the actual PvP combat has always been... questionable at best.
 
BusbyMalone said:
Not been a great year for PS Plus. There have been a few games as you would expect, but overall it's been very poor. I would have loved them to do something with the PS Plus Collection as well. Adding one or two games to that, even if they took other games off. Just replenish it with some new titles as I think it's great accouterment for PS5/PS Plus owners. But it looks like that isn't going to be touched.

I do think they have to change something and spice it up a bit; it's getting a little stale now. Even if it's just rolling in PS Now with it (which they should have done ages ago).
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Why do they need to spice it up though?

For most people it's a necessary evil to play online. The games are just a bit of a sweetener.

There's no way they're going to add PS5 games to the PS+ Collection. They're still retailing above PS4 titles, for the most part.

Godfall as a freebie is likely paving the way for Gearbox to make it F2P.
 
Siorac said:
I hate getting invaded in Souls games, it's one mechanic I certainly didn't miss in Sekiro.

Soulsborne PvP is quite shite, if we're honest. The whole asynchronous multiplayer is a neat idea but the actual PvP combat has always been... questionable at best.
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The matchmaking is a joke (hoping the rumors about the fixes in Elden Ring work well).
 
b82REZ said:
Why do they need to spice it up though?

For most people it's a necessary evil to play online. The games are just a bit of a sweetener.

There's no way they're going to add PS5 games to the PS+ Collection. They're still retailing above PS4 titles, for the most part.

Godfall as a freebie is likely paving the way for Gearbox to make it F2P.
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Yeah, this is something I was just saying to the poster above to be fair. They don't really. They certainly have no impetus to do so, I guess. It was more me hoping they would as opposed to them actually doing it. I personally find it a bit stale and would love to see some change. But their numbers are seemingly very healthy.

Also, I don't think they need to add PS5 games to the collection. I mean, there are no PS5 games on there now unless I'm forgetting any. Just take one or two off, and add some new ones. I don't know. More of a hope than anything.

Also, the PS Plus games are going to be very subjective. Personally, apart from one or two, I've found them underwhelming this year.
 
Sony are just playing the waiting game they are slowly building up the PS Now service and waiting to see how well gamepass does in the long term.

Then overnight if it suddenly becomes obvious gamepass is doing great and people want it, it’s already up and running and will just be rebranded.
 
BusbyMalone said:
Yeah, this is something I was just saying to the poster above to be fair. They don't really. They certainly have no impetus to do so, I guess. It was more me hoping they would as opposed to them actually doing it. I personally find it a bit stale and would love to see some change. But their numbers are seemingly very healthy.

Also, I don't think they need to add PS5 games to the collection. I mean, there are no PS5 games on there now unless I'm forgetting any. Just take one or two off, and add some new ones. I don't know. More of a hope than anything.

Also, the PS Plus games are going to be very subjective. Personally, apart from one or two, I've found them underwhelming this year.
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I've actually found some real gems this year. PGA21 for example. Ended up trying it as a multiplayer game and it's become a regular in our line up now.
 
Moby said:
The matchmaking is a joke (hoping the rumors about the fixes in Elden Ring work well).
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It's not just that though. The implementation of the P2P system means that what you see on the screen and what actually happens can be rather different at times - it's really no fun getting backstabbed when to you it looks like you're miles away from the opposition.

And, well, this might be an unpopular opinion but Soulsborne combat doesn't really work well in PvP. It's just a bit silly, two people rolling around each other, fishing for backstabs and the occasional parry.
 
b82REZ said:
I've actually found some real gems this year. PGA21 for example. Ended up trying it as a multiplayer game and it's become a regular in our line up now.
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Just had a quick browse of all the games released this year on the service to see which ones piqued my interest and the ones I've enjoyed:

  • Oddworld: Soulstorm
  • Hitman 2
  • Star Wars: Squadrons
  • Farpoint (mainly because it’s a VR game)
  • Control: Ultimate Edition (which I bought the week prior!)
  • Shadow of the Tomb Raider
  • A Plague Tale: Innocence
So there is a couple there. I missed the PGA21 one because my subscription lapsed and I didn't bother renewing it for that month as I wasn't playing a lot.
 
Siorac said:
It's not just that though. The implementation of the P2P system means that what you see on the screen and what actually happens can be rather different at times - it's really no fun getting backstabbed when to you it looks like you're miles away from the opposition.

And, well, this might be an unpopular opinion but Soulsborne combat doesn't really work well in PvP. It's just a bit silly, two people rolling around each other, fishing for backstabs and the occasional parry.
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Yeah :lol: I haven't done it much but I don't think it's very polished. But let's see how it goes in ER, because you can also jump if I'm not wrong.
 
b82REZ said:
I've actually found some real gems this year. PGA21 for example. Ended up trying it as a multiplayer game and it's become a regular in our line up now.
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Interesting. I only trialled it a bit singleplayer and it looked really good. Definitely sounds like it would be fun multiplayer.
 
Siorac said:
It's not just that though. The implementation of the P2P system means that what you see on the screen and what actually happens can be rather different at times - it's really no fun getting backstabbed when to you it looks like you're miles away from the opposition.

And, well, this might be an unpopular opinion but Soulsborne combat doesn't really work well in PvP. It's just a bit silly, two people rolling around each other, fishing for backstabs and the occasional parry.
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tbf I can’t think of a single game that has nailed that type of combat in pvp, if they could the potential is there. Imagine a sekiro like combat with minimal input delay would be amazing.

MMO’s are the closest to that type of combat and they are still pretty simple.
 
Siorac said:
It's not just that though. The implementation of the P2P system means that what you see on the screen and what actually happens can be rather different at times - it's really no fun getting backstabbed when to you it looks like you're miles away from the opposition.

And, well, this might be an unpopular opinion but Soulsborne combat doesn't really work well in PvP. It's just a bit silly, two people rolling around each other, fishing for backstabs and the occasional parry.
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Nah, I'm the same. I've never liked that aspect of those games. The main draw for me is the exploration and uncovering the mysteries. The combat against the Ai is great but always felt cumbersome when fighting another human player.
 
BusbyMalone said:
Nah, I'm the same. I've never liked that aspect of those games. The main draw for me is the exploration and uncovering the mysteries. The combat against the Ai is great but always felt cumbersome when fighting another human player.
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Yeah, part of why I like Souls games is because the combat is almost like a puzzle or a strategy game: you just have to figure out the best solution for a given situation and once you do, executing it isn't actually very difficult because the games don't require insane twitch reflexes or anything, with the possible exception of Sekiro (which I consider to be the hardest From game partly because of this).

That goes out the window in PvP, and it becomes all about timing and reflexes (and latency).
 
Moby said:
Interesting. I only trialled it a bit singleplayer and it looked really good. Definitely sounds like it would be fun multiplayer.
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It's not without its flaws but it's a solid game. I just wish you could watch others finish the hole if you finish before them.
 
BusbyMalone said:
Just had a quick browse of all the games released this year on the service to see which ones piqued my interest and the ones I've enjoyed:

  • Oddworld: Soulstorm
  • Hitman 2
  • Star Wars: Squadrons
  • Farpoint (mainly because it’s a VR game)
  • Control: Ultimate Edition (which I bought the week prior!)
  • Shadow of the Tomb Raider
  • A Plague Tale: Innocence
So there is a couple there. I missed the PGA21 one because my subscription lapsed and I didn't bother renewing it for that month as I wasn't playing a lot.
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They're all pretty soild for free, but try some of the games you assume you'll dislike. While you probably won't be wowed by the majority you're bound to find a handful that make the pain of paying to play online a little more palatable.
 
Remnant from the Ashes was a game I’d have never have bought if it weren’t free and it’s one of the best games I’ve played this year. I’d highly recommend it for those who haven’t played. If you like Souls-like games you’ll enjoy it.
 
b82REZ said:
Why do they need to spice it up though?

For most people it's a necessary evil to play online. The games are just a bit of a sweetener.

There's no way they're going to add PS5 games to the PS+ Collection. They're still retailing above PS4 titles, for the most part.

Godfall as a freebie is likely paving the way for Gearbox to make it F2P.
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I actually subscribe for the free games. And maybe discounts. But I don't game online at all. And earlier every other month I'd get a game worth playing. I think before these last 6 months we got Control, FF remake, Days Gone etc in a short span of time.

Now it's just gone to pieces the last 6 months.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I actually subscribe for the free games. And maybe discounts. But I don't game online at all. And earlier every other month I'd get a game worth playing. I think before these last 6 months we got Control, FF remake, Days Gone etc in a short span of time.

Now it's just gone to pieces the last 6 months.
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Why don't you just subscribe for the months you want a game then?

The games were never what the service was designed for and were added as a sweetener because online play had always been free on PlayStation up to the release of the PS4.

Also the idea that the games are bad is completely subjective. I've gotten some titles I always wanted to try as well as a few free VR titles along the way. It just feels like complaining for complainings sake.
 
esmufc07 said:
Remnant from the Ashes was a game I’d have never have bought if it weren’t free and it’s one of the best games I’ve played this year. I’d highly recommend it for those who haven’t played. If you like Souls-like games you’ll enjoy it.
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Exactly.

People are becoming too entrenched in the idea that they must be given a AAA title every month. There has been some true hidden gems out this year.
 
b82REZ said:
Exactly.

People are becoming too entrenched in the idea that they must be given a AAA title every month. There has been some true hidden gems out this year.
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True, tbf the game that we got last month would have been good if you have mates to play with. Big if mind :lol:
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I actually subscribe for the free games. And maybe discounts. But I don't game online at all. And earlier every other month I'd get a game worth playing. I think before these last 6 months we got Control, FF remake, Days Gone etc in a short span of time.

Now it's just gone to pieces the last 6 months.
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I played Hollow Knight after getting it on PS Plus. They definitely had better stuff before.
 
b82REZ said:
The games were never what the service was designed for and were added as a sweetener because online play had always been free on PlayStation up to the release of the PS4.
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PS Plus was a thing before they started charging for online, and 'free' games was literally the whole point of the subscription mate. It had been out for over 3 years before it was required to play online.
 
Alock1 said:
PS Plus was a thing before they started charging for online, and 'free' games was literally the whole point of the subscription mate. It had been out for over 3 years before it was required to play online.
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It wasn't anyway like its current incarnation. You got free games, yes, but the price was lower and iirc gave some online benefits in some games.

I only briefly subscribed to it back then but it was certainly more than just free games.
 
b82REZ said:
It wasn't anyway like its current incarnation. You got free games, yes, but the price was lower and iirc gave some online benefits in some games.

I only briefly subscribed to it back then but it was certainly more than just free games.
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It's okay you can just admit to being wrong, I know you must be pretty annoyed with yourself right now.
 
What a load of bullshit. It’s not even the complete version of Godfall!
 
b82REZ said:
Also the idea that the games are bad is completely subjective
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Its not though. Godfall has a score of 61 on metacritic. Its not a good game. Sure everyone has different tastes but quality exists too.
 
Just watched a bit of godfall on YouTube. Wow, is it somehow connected to God of war? Lots of similarities from what I've just seen.
 
b82REZ said:
Why don't you just subscribe for the months you want a game then?

The games were never what the service was designed for and were added as a sweetener because online play had always been free on PlayStation up to the release of the PS4.

Also the idea that the games are bad is completely subjective. I've gotten some titles I always wanted to try as well as a few free VR titles along the way. It just feels like complaining for complainings sake.
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What an odd view. A huge chunk of the gaming community believes in the core single player experience and aren't much a fan of multi-player. And when you use the whole 2 free games every month thing to promote PS plus and enticed everyone including those gamers to subscribe, then you should at least have one of the two being fit for a single player experience.


It's subjective for sure but if most call a month out for being crap especially for the single player gamers then it most likely is. In fact over the past 6 months most have considered it to be crap so while you're loving your VR titles the consensus speaks for itself. And like I said it was good before which is why I didn't subscribe for specific months.
 
AaronRedDevil said:
Wait the Free Godfall game is a demo? You must be joking?
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Apparently they've given out three end game challenge modes rather than the actual game. I probably wouldn't have played it anyway given how it's rated but this is still amusing to say the least.
 
That's some kind of bullshit, you can't be giving a demo away as part of ps+ games, a demo should be a must for every game anyway.
 
I haven’t played a PS plus game since Destruction Allstars, they always seem to be shit.
 
Schmiznurf said:
That's some kind of bullshit, you can't be giving a demo away as part of ps+ games, a demo should be a must for every game anyway.
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It's not even a demo, it sounds like it would the absolute worst way I can think of to experience a game. Endgame content and an option to instantly jump to max level with all skill points, without any of the build up to it. :wenger: I was actually looking forward to trying out this failed AAA game for free, but won't bother now. This is utterly pathetic stuff from Sony. This slot could've been taken by a much smaller title that was actually, you know, a game.
 
To be honest I'm more likely to give it a go now. It's supposed to be rubbish so I'm not going to sit through the full game but i may spend a few hours on it especially if it's co-op.
 
I'm also worried about Mortal Shell explicitly showing as the PS4 version. There is a PS5 upgrade with 4k 60, better loading and Dualsense features which is free for anyone who owns the PS4 version. However, there is precedent with PS+ version blocking the path of a free upgrade (FFVII). So yeah, that would make this month even worse.
 
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