Players lying down behind the wall during a free-kick

big rons sovereign said:
Maybe they should start hanging from the crossbar in the corners too.
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This would be a great tactic as so many goals so top corner.
Sit 2 guys on the cross bar legs dangling over the top corners - and noone ever concedes one again.

You'll have a packed goal mouth though with no prospect of offside - but that surely makes scoring from the situation even less likely.
 
Spaghetti said:
It started when players began trying more under the wall free kicks, which led to walls being reluctant to jump and, therefore, more over-the-wall goals being scored.

The player lying behind just covers that option and allows the wall to jump in confidence. It works in my opinion.

There probably will be a Christmas DVD moment with it at some point, but the player lying down is very quick to bounce up after the kick being taken.

You haters should get used to it, because it’s not going away.
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It's a fad that will definitely go away.
 
renandstimpyfan83 said:
It really does look ridiculous and probably does more harm than good as the guy lying down is basically taken out of the game. The previous fad of the guy running back onto the line was equally daft and just seemed to cause chaos and confusion in his own defence.

I also think it’s time we questioned the orthodoxy of the wall in general. There are instances where it is necessary but not every free kick situation requires a wall.
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Yes this.
They unsight your keeper and for a lot of these free kicks you'd back your keeper to save from way outside the box surely? Especially wide positions.
 
Still not as irritating as players pulling their socks up over their knees. Wankers.
 
JJ12 said:
I remember we won the title years ago and MOTD were lip reading Beckham celebrating on the pitch and they guessed he said ‘I’ve had offers’ or ‘I’m gone’ - can’t remember which.

As if he would speak about that, at that time.
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I remember this, it was on ITV (when ITV had highlights for like a year or two)
They were saying that Neville (his best friend) asked on the field and Beckham replied with "ive had talks"

:lol:

Ridiculous.
 
Web of Bissaka said:
That's low level.

Medium level - sitting on shoulders.
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Highest Level - standing on shoulders.
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Might be a stupid question but....are there any rules against this? :nervous:
 
Cheech Wizard said:
Wasn't you guys one of the first that started this? I remember McTominay kneeling against Southampton last season I think and Ward-prowse scored over the wall anyway. Could've been another team but it sticks out in memory because of Mark Goldbridge. :lol:

Now it's morphed in the plank technique. Arsenal & Fulham today.
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Brozovic started this i think. I CL game
 
Sylar said:
I remember this, it was on ITV (when ITV had highlights for like a year or two)
They were saying that Neville (his best friend) asked on the field and Beckham replied with "ive had talks"

:lol:

Ridiculous.
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That’s the one :lol:
 
How many under the wall FKs are being scored on average per season?

It not only seems ridiculous but also pointless.
 
I dont see why its ridiculous if it pretty much eliminates the possibility of it going under the wall, but also gives the wall the full confidence to jump as high as possible together, thus possibly reducing the number of direct free kicks being scored over the wall (a full jump would mean the kicker would have to be very very accurate unless the keeper screws up)
 
It's a bit daft. The only player I can ever recall scoring one under the wall was Ronaldinho, and we don't have to worry about anything like that at Burnley or West Brom. It just takes a player out of the game for a few seconds.
 
Sylar said:
I dont see why its ridiculous if it pretty much eliminates the possibility of it going under the wall, but also gives the wall the full confidence to jump as high as possible together, thus possibly reducing the number of direct free kicks being scored over the wall (a full jump would mean the kicker would have to be very very accurate unless the keeper screws up)
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How many freekicks can you actually remember being scored by going under the wall?

Far more goals have been conceded from an attacker going unguarded and tapping the rebound in after the freekick hits the goalkeeper/post
 
Solius said:
Why is this becoming so much more common?

I swear there's been about 3 free-kicks that have been scored under the wall in the history of football, yet it seems like this defensive move happens during almost every FK in the Prem right now.
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I badly wanna see someone make a chip over to a player who gets in behind (hoping they will trip in the player behind the wall).
 
elmo said:
How many freekicks can you actually remember being scored by going under the wall?

Far more goals have been conceded from an attacker going unguarded and tapping the rebound in after the freekick hits the goalkeeper/post
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Yeah, but the fact that it can happen is being reduced / eliminated which means the wall itself can not be in two minds and can fully jump. Whether they do, is another thing, but every advantage helps.

Inversely, how many situations can you think where putting a player has cost his team? If placing a player is more negative than positive, then thats something I will concede (tbh I havent done the research either way)
 
Pirlo, Dinho and Messi probably did it the most.

Pirlo has at least 4 of those.
 
Sylar said:
Yeah, but the fact that it can happen is being reduced / eliminated which means the wall itself can not be in two minds and can fully jump. Whether they do, is another thing, but every advantage helps.

Inversely, how many situations can you think where putting a player has cost his team? If placing a player is more negative than positive, then thats something I will concede (tbh I havent done the research either way)
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I already mentioned how there's way more goals being scored off the rebound, something that putting a player lying down won't help at all.
 
Solius said:
Why is this becoming so much more common?

I swear there's been about 3 free-kicks that have been scored under the wall in the history of football, yet it seems like this defensive move happens during almost every FK in the Prem right now.
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What's the harm in it?

You always have a couple of spare players during free kicks so using one of them to eliminate the chance of a free kick taker hitting it under the wall is pretty sensible. Even if that chance is really low, it is still a lot better to completely eliminate it. The defenders in the wall don't have to worry about it anymore and can freely jump as high as possible.

Absolutely no reason not to do it.
 
Alvaro Recoba was the first player I saw score from going under the wall, think it might've been at a World Cup.
 
elmo said:
I already mentioned how there's way more goals being scored off the rebound, something that putting a player lying down won't help at all.
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'Way more' seems like an exaggeration to make a point. Like how much is 'way more'? What are the numbers to back this up?

As I said im interested to know, this isnt me taking the piss, just generally want to know.
 
It's mental. And in the meantime most teams leave posts free at corners which seems much more likely to prevent a goal
 
sun_tzu said:
Yeah I'd tell the free kick taker to aim for the face as hard as he can... its either funny or a penalty
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Good thing most footballers aren't out there on the pitch to be complete cnuts with an intention to injure other players. Ever had a football smash your gob at full force?
 
Web of Bissaka said:
That's low level.

Medium level - sitting on shoulders.
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Highest Level - standing on shoulders.
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Brilliant! Haha!

Couple of years ago I was wondering why clubs don't do something like this on corners. But I think it is forbidden? Maybe I'm wrong.
 
Moby said:
Good thing most footballers aren't out there on the pitch to be complete cnuts with an intention to injure other players. Ever had a football smash your gob at full force?
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Yeah... ive also had over 100 mma boxing and Thai fights including a handful of pro fights.... to be fair I've never had people in those trying to attack tendons (first day as an 11 year old training with a club they taught us to stand on feet just when players were about to jump) and using elbows when they are banned unlike most football matches I played

So yeah I'd go for the face all the time and anybody who moaned id do a chicken dance and call them a pu$$y... hopefull they will get mad and raise their hands then ill roll around like a little bitch and get them sent off as well
 
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Nobody seems to have mentioned this goal from Quintero for Columbia.

It was the World cup, so everybody saw it. Seems the fashion for lying down has started after that.

I'm not allowed to embed video apparently, but here's the link if somebody else wants to: Quintero Goal
 
sun_tzu said:
Yeah... ive also had over 100 mma boxing and Thai fights including a handful of pro fights.... to be fair I've never had people in those trying to attack tendons (first day as an 11 year old training with a club they taught us to stand on feet just when players were about to jump) and using elbows when they are banned unlike most football matches I played

So yeah I'd go for the face all the time and anybody who moaned id do a chicken dance and call them a pu$$y... hopefull they will get mad and raise their hands then ill roll around like a little bitch and get them sent off as well
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Are you ok mate?

kouroux said:
:lol:
This reminded of something, why is there less and less players sticking to either goalposts during corner kicks ? Too many time goals are scored on the near or far post and players might help defend those instances
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Yeah, there are quite a few goals you can see which arent headed into the top corner, but you see a free man with his hands on his hips marking nobody who would / could have cleared the ball easily.
 
Sylar said:
'Way more' seems like an exaggeration to make a point. Like how much is 'way more'? What are the numbers to back this up?

As I said im interested to know, this isnt me taking the piss, just generally want to know.
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How about you actually go find how many freekicks are scored by going under a wall first?

There's a reason why so many people cream over Messi being able to do it because it's so fecking rare in the first place.

Scoring from a rebound after a freekick hits the post or the keeper, happens almost every week in the league.
 
elmo said:
How about you actually go find how many freekicks are scored by going under a wall first?

There's a reason why so many people cream over Messi being able to do it because it's so fecking rare in the first place.

Scoring from a rebound after a freekick hits the post or the keeper, happens almost every week in the league.
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But the whole point is what harm does it do by having the man down there?

Has rebounds increased since this has been added? Has number of direct free kicks stayed the same / not changed

It's all well being OTT but I'm asking the question in terms of what does a team lose by doing it since so many people are against it. you're the one who threw that out there are way more goals scored from a rebound as a result but nothing to actually back that up

If you back it up, fine, I'm happy to look at analytics but I can't find any thing either way hence me asking
You confidently proclaimed how it's not a good idea but for some reason refuse to back it up??
 
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